EPT[Patch 1.0.0.131: Viktor] General Discussion - Page 153
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NotSorry
United States6722 Posts
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Sandster
United States4054 Posts
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Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
So am I the only person who thinks it's a really bad idea to have gragas as your primari AP damage? It really feels like he's not doing much at all, imagine someone like Brand instead... | ||
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3 Lions
United States3705 Posts
Rainman calls Anivia a shitty champion, says karth and anivia shouldn't be killing anyone | ||
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vertigo1
Scotland174 Posts
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I_Love_Bacon
United States5765 Posts
On January 11 2012 07:17 Shikyo wrote: watching tsm vs clgeu... So am I the only person who thinks it's a really bad idea to have gragas as your primari AP damage? It really feels like he's not doing much at all, imagine someone like Brand instead... Gragas is fine; problem is given the setups he has had to us three-quarters of his ults defensively instead of offensively. Anivia wall + irelia makes the entire TSM team play cautious and afraid of getting singled out. If they group up then they're ready to stand in Karthus aoe and will end just as poorly. | ||
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Redox
Germany24794 Posts
On January 11 2012 07:17 Shikyo wrote: watching tsm vs clgeu... So am I the only person who thinks it's a really bad idea to have gragas as your primari AP damage? It really feels like he's not doing much at all, imagine someone like Brand instead... Well Gragas is doing the main damage on the team, I dont think he is the problem. But they dont have much to follow it up, and nothing to tank. Teemo was ok against Irelia on lane, he could at least somewhat hold her down (although he should have done more). But in the team fights he is not doing much, for sure much less than Irelia. And Froggens Anivia is just really, really good. And on bot mf was not able to outfarm Yellowpete's vayne as he expected. Well clg.eu is a good team. It is a shame that they were robbed of the next IEM participations. | ||
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Sandster
United States4054 Posts
Don't understand the MF picks. I realize this is skirms and not serious but still doesn't make sense to play MF. | ||
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Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
On January 11 2012 07:23 I_Love_Bacon wrote: Gragas is fine; problem is given the setups he has had to us three-quarters of his ults defensively instead of offensively. Anivia wall + irelia makes the entire TSM team play cautious and afraid of getting singled out. If they group up then they're ready to stand in Karthus aoe and will end just as poorly. weird, as I think that every single ulti regi used was offensively >_> But either way gragas has only like, a barrel and that's on such a long cooldown that I really don't think he's a viable primary AP, he works allright as asecondary ap solo top for instance because your team doesn't have to rely on him to deal so much ap damage but in this game for instance gragas was pretty much useless whereas anivia was wrecking. | ||
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I_Love_Bacon
United States5765 Posts
On January 11 2012 07:27 Shikyo wrote: weird, as I think that every single ulti regi used was offensively >_> But either way gragas has only like, a barrel and that's on such a long cooldown that I really don't think he's a viable primary AP, he works allright as asecondary ap solo top for instance because your team doesn't have to rely on him to deal so much ap damage but in this game for instance gragas was pretty much useless whereas anivia was wrecking. Early on he was wiffing offensive ults. At the end, despite it often time singling one of the opponents out, they were always defensive (sans the Karthus kill). They'd be engaged upon and he'd try to push them back. Gragas obviously doesn't do as much damage as Brand, but his poke is good and his ult is a fantastic initiate. The problem is, they were only set up in a position as a team and looking to team fight for one period; and that was when they pushed mid w/ baron. I'm not really a fan of their setup w/ gragas though. They lacked hard cc to follow up punishment from Gragas ults other than sona's own ult. Also, just randomly since I'm surprised they ran it, but gragas + mf seems not so great to me. Their ults' goals are counter-intuitive. edit: Reginald's excuse for not helping @ blue is beyond retarded. I would like it if once in a while I heard teams discussing a loss and people owned up to their mistakes. Shit is ridiculous. | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On January 11 2012 07:27 Sandster wrote: lol inhib respawn, karthus pinned to nexus by his own minions and gets smashed by gragas ult. Don't understand the MF picks. I realize this is skirms and not serious but still doesn't make sense to play MF. Mf is a solid AD pick, obviously she's no vayne or graves, but she's still a great pick. | ||
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barbsq
United States5348 Posts
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mordek
United States12705 Posts
On January 11 2012 07:33 wei2coolman wrote: Mf is a solid AD pick, obviously she's no vayne or graves, but she's still a great pick. I agree with Bacon though, doesn't synergize with Gragas ult at all. | ||
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Mogwai
United States13274 Posts
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Treadmill
Canada2833 Posts
On January 11 2012 07:33 wei2coolman wrote: Mf is a solid AD pick, obviously she's no vayne or graves, but she's still a great pick. Eh. She'd be solid if they set up her ult better. MF works pretty well with AoE comp - Amumu or Galio is amazing with her - but GP ult isn't enough and gragas ult just works directly counter to MF's. The best they could have done was chain Sona stun into MF ult but they never really did that - probably because they haven't practiced it. But imo MF is okay so long as you have a team that can actually get her ult off in fights - but if you don't she's worse than most other ADs. | ||
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mr_tolkien
France8631 Posts
On January 11 2012 07:35 mordek wrote: I agree with Bacon though, doesn't synergize with Gragas ult at all. MF is more of a right clicker than an AD burster. You need to have a frontlane holding the opponents strongly to make full use of your damage. Teemo/Gragas isn't exactly made for that :/ | ||
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zer0das
United States8519 Posts
On January 11 2012 07:02 Two_DoWn wrote: I have no problem with CS at tower being predictable. It separates good players from bad. Although a cool change that I suggested a while back that I think would be cool- any creep that gets killed by a tower instead of a player gives half exp or something like that instead of full exp. That way you can be rewarded for pushing safely against someone, while at the same time a good player will be forced to use their knowledge of farming cs at tower to stay caught up in terms of level. I think that solution is better than just making shit more random. Make Malzahar, Sivir, and Nidalee more of a pain in the arse than they already are...HMM. How about no. If that change were implemented (and I hope it isn't), you'd have to seriously curtail the pushing power of a lot of champions or it isn't even remotely fair. | ||
TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On January 11 2012 06:58 Flakes wrote: I think one of the biggest causes of lane passivity is that it's way too easy to farm 100% of creeps at tower. In dota the less predictable tower damage and stronger creeps made pushing more rewarding than it is in LoL, where pushing usually ends in getting ganked without making a dent in the other guy's farm Harder attack animations aside, farming under tower in DotA is the exact same as it is in LoL. Hit creep once before tower hits it, then hit it again for the lasthit when tower gets it low enough. On January 11 2012 07:01 Craton wrote: Didn't take long to get back to trying to turn the game more like DotA. I hate DotA, as do many of the millions of players, hence why they don't play DotA. Being able to farm at towers is a good thing. You're making it a black and white issue of "this game is like DotA" and "this game is not like DotA". It's not that straightforward. I think there are things that LoL can learn from DotA. I also think there are things that DotA can learn from LoL as well. Like it or not, DotA has much fewer issues with things that are considered "problems" in LoL, and I think it's perfectly logical to look at what DotA does differently. | ||
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Craton
United States17264 Posts
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Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
On January 11 2012 07:37 Mogwai wrote: IMHO, Anivia is the most consistently underappreciated champion in the game. She is out of this world crazy strong, but no one gives her the respect she deserves and I'm not quite sure why. I guess people just don't understand how to abuse zone control in teamfights. I don't understand either, she's been like the strongest AP for over a year in my opinion. I guess it has something to do with her extremely steep skill cap but even so, that shouldn't mean that you need to think of her as a weak champion. There's a few players like Ocelote and Manyreason who make anivia appear to be completely broken, and on paper she looks amazing as well: Nuke combo stronger than Sion's, permaCC ulti that makes champions like Nasus and Tryndamere completely useless, and the most bullshit overpowered retarded normal ability in the game that has the ability to make you instantly lose games due to a small positioning mistake. On January 11 2012 07:37 Treadmill wrote: Eh. She'd be solid if they set up her ult better. MF works pretty well with AoE comp - Amumu or Galio is amazing with her - but GP ult isn't enough and gragas ult just works directly counter to MF's. The best they could have done was chain Sona stun into MF ult but they never really did that - probably because they haven't practiced it. But imo MF is okay so long as you have a team that can actually get her ult off in fights - but if you don't she's worse than most other ADs. I think MF would be picked much more often if they just made a slight, tiny change such as halving the ult's startup time or something like that. | ||
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