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NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
January 10 2012 21:29 GMT
#3001
On January 11 2012 06:28 Beyonder wrote:
I really dont feel udyr is that strong :o Not as a jungle or not as a top


You'd be surprised...
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NotSorry
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States6722 Posts
January 10 2012 21:29 GMT
#3002
On January 11 2012 06:15 Craton wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 11 2012 05:46 NotSorry wrote:
ali/fiddle/galio/malz all got new champ icon pics

Gonna look stupid as hell I'm sure.

They look pretty good a lot more "gritty" than cartoony all extra veiny like they just did a shot of roids
We have now sunk to a depth at which restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. - Orwell
Redox
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany24794 Posts
January 10 2012 21:30 GMT
#3003
On January 11 2012 06:26 I_Love_Bacon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 11 2012 06:25 Redox wrote:
On January 11 2012 06:01 I_Love_Bacon wrote:
On January 11 2012 05:43 dooraven wrote:
TSM v CLG EU scrim starting now:
http://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/ob9qt/tsm_vs_clg_eu_scrim_now/

CLG Eu won v mTl.tt: 2-1


lol. 2-0 for TSM in under 3 minutes and CLG EU had their red stolen, and reginald has CLG's blue as well. Was looking forward to relaxing a bit and watching the game, but this is probably over.

Game was indeed not close. But the other way around than you thought lol.

Wickd just too strong on top lane. Udyr was a bad pick against his Iralia though.
And really good team play on CLGs part.


Wasn't even Wickd, imo. I actually blame it solely on Reginald. He wasn't effective enough as LB. He roamed but couldn't secure kills, forcing odd one to sit in mid lane frequently. TSM never had wards and had no tabs on CLG because of it.

hah, just remembered reginald's awful attempt at a gank top in the 3v1 but dove right away for no reason, resulting in a lot of wasted summoners and no actual kill.

Wickd was the only one who dominated his lane. He was far ahead in creeps while also securing drakes, mid and bot tower for his team. He was in 11 of 12 team kills, 7 of them his.
Pretty sure he played a major part there.
Off-season = best season
mr_tolkien
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
France8631 Posts
January 10 2012 21:31 GMT
#3004
On January 11 2012 06:01 I_Love_Bacon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 11 2012 05:43 dooraven wrote:
TSM v CLG EU scrim starting now:
http://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/ob9qt/tsm_vs_clg_eu_scrim_now/

CLG Eu won v mTl.tt: 2-1


lol. 2-0 for TSM in under 3 minutes and CLG EU had their red stolen, and reginald has CLG's blue as well. Was looking forward to relaxing a bit and watching the game, but this is probably over.

And then CLG EU showed what coordination and teamwork looked like.
The legend of Darien lives on
seRapH
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9830 Posts
January 10 2012 21:31 GMT
#3005
On January 11 2012 05:46 NotSorry wrote:
ali/fiddle/galio/malz all got new champ icon pics

I don't see anything... unless they got changed to Chinese Art?
boomer hands
NotSorry
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States6722 Posts
January 10 2012 21:32 GMT
#3006
On January 11 2012 06:31 seRapH wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 11 2012 05:46 NotSorry wrote:
ali/fiddle/galio/malz all got new champ icon pics

I don't see anything... unless they got changed to Chinese Art?

don't know just saw it a moment ago for the first time haven't seen the chinese art
We have now sunk to a depth at which restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. - Orwell
Terranasaur
Profile Joined May 2011
United States2085 Posts
January 10 2012 21:32 GMT
#3007
On January 11 2012 06:07 bmn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 11 2012 05:04 Chiharu Harukaze wrote:
On January 11 2012 05:01 Sandster wrote:
There's nothing wrong with picking champions you like, Mundo and Urgot included. The reason to first learn standard champions is to understand the role first.

Just to second this point. If you pick an unconventional champion, you're telling me you're super good at them and you know 100% you're going to crush your lane with it. Excuses not tolerated. Certain champions are unconventional for a reason, whether it be their lack of laning presence, scaling issues, inability to synergise with their team, or there being superior options. If you knowingly pick something that isn't standard, you better have a very good reason for it. But that's just how I see it.


Is everyone so harsh about this?

Why do I need an excuse for my champion pick? Why do I need to be super good if I pick Urgot, but it's OK if I pick Vayne and am terrible with her?

Note that if you get matched up with me, you're presumably no better with conventional champions than I am with unconventional champions. If you don't tolerate excuses for my character choice, why should I tolerate excuses for your ELO not being higher?

Note that I'm not playing in professional games, or even organized clan matches or whatever. I never try to troll, intentionally hurt the team, or pick unsuitable roles. I won't play champions if they clearly aren't viable at all -- you won't see me building crittlesticks or AD Karma in a ranked game. It just happens to be that most champions I enjoy playing are not the most popular picks (apart from Lee Sin/Nocturne).

But it is a game, and there's a reason we are allowed to choose from so many characters, and there's no imperative to always choose from the same small subset just because they're slightly better/stronger.

If this is the predominant attitude in ranked though, I'll just not play ranked. Since I have no intention of going professional, having a good time is what matters most to me, not my ELO.



In general, people in the LoL community are dicks. Many of them also don't know very much about the game, and only what is popular. The biggest thing you need to learn is really just not to care what people in your games say/do. I care about teammates raging even less than I care about ELO and it is very liberating. At the end of the game I just report all the jerks and go about my business.

Generally the people who will rage at you are the same ones who rage about everything else and should really just be ignored. Reasonable people won't care what you pick.
Decisions Determine Destiny - Terranasaur#1719 D3 #557 SC2 3DS FC: 2423-3623-8068
I_Love_Bacon
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States5765 Posts
January 10 2012 21:33 GMT
#3008
On January 11 2012 06:30 Redox wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 11 2012 06:26 I_Love_Bacon wrote:
On January 11 2012 06:25 Redox wrote:
On January 11 2012 06:01 I_Love_Bacon wrote:
On January 11 2012 05:43 dooraven wrote:
TSM v CLG EU scrim starting now:
http://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/ob9qt/tsm_vs_clg_eu_scrim_now/

CLG Eu won v mTl.tt: 2-1


lol. 2-0 for TSM in under 3 minutes and CLG EU had their red stolen, and reginald has CLG's blue as well. Was looking forward to relaxing a bit and watching the game, but this is probably over.

Game was indeed not close. But the other way around than you thought lol.

Wickd just too strong on top lane. Udyr was a bad pick against his Iralia though.
And really good team play on CLGs part.


Wasn't even Wickd, imo. I actually blame it solely on Reginald. He wasn't effective enough as LB. He roamed but couldn't secure kills, forcing odd one to sit in mid lane frequently. TSM never had wards and had no tabs on CLG because of it.

hah, just remembered reginald's awful attempt at a gank top in the 3v1 but dove right away for no reason, resulting in a lot of wasted summoners and no actual kill.

Wickd was the only one who dominated his lane. He was far ahead in creeps while also securing drakes, mid and bot tower for his team. He was in 11 of 12 team kills, 7 of them his.
Pretty sure he played a major part there.


Not saying he wasn't the MVP for his team, but I'm saying TSM lost the game because of poor play. The drake they secured was also another Reginald fail. He almost got killed and survived with < 100 hp and was forced to B, along with Oddone. That allowed an easy dragon for them. Wickd certainly won his lane, but I don't think he was what made TSM fall apart.
" i havent been playin sc2 but i woke up w/ a boner and i really had to pee... and my crisis management and micro was really something to behold. it inspired me to play some games today" -Liquid'Tyler
Haasts
Profile Joined October 2011
New Zealand4445 Posts
January 10 2012 21:34 GMT
#3009
On January 11 2012 06:01 I_Love_Bacon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 11 2012 05:43 dooraven wrote:
TSM v CLG EU scrim starting now:
http://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/ob9qt/tsm_vs_clg_eu_scrim_now/

CLG Eu won v mTl.tt: 2-1


lol. 2-0 for TSM in under 3 minutes and CLG EU had their red stolen, and reginald has CLG's blue as well. Was looking forward to relaxing a bit and watching the game, but this is probably over.


Heh heh heh.

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Wickd too strong, and Galio's poke (as well as Spirit Visage fuelled healing from his W) was fairly ridiculous.
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Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
January 10 2012 21:35 GMT
#3010
On January 11 2012 06:29 NotSorry wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 11 2012 06:15 Craton wrote:
On January 11 2012 05:46 NotSorry wrote:
ali/fiddle/galio/malz all got new champ icon pics

Gonna look stupid as hell I'm sure.

They look pretty good a lot more "gritty" than cartoony all extra veiny like they just did a shot of roids

I'm fairly certain it's just the Chinese art of those champs. No big deal, a lot of people already used them anyway through mods.

On January 11 2012 06:28 Beyonder wrote:
I really dont feel udyr is that strong :o Not as a jungle or not as a top

He's tanky as hell with Turtle + defensive items, decent damage with Tiger or Phoenix, can clear waves/jungle stupid fast with Phoenix, and disrupts all the things with Bear. His kit is so absurdly good that if they gave him anything he lacks (ranged attack, gap closer), he's instantly be the best champ in the game.

That said, he needs a team to be with him. He can 1v1 pretty much anything, but if outnumbered he's easily countered by CC. For him to be effective in teamfights, he needs to not be focused and needs to be able to run around stunning and eating damage with Bear/Turtle.

He's not meant to do damage in teamfights. If you can flip Phoenix on for AoE, go for it, but your job is to stun and tank so your AD/AP carry can kill things.
It's your boy Guzma!
Flakes
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States3125 Posts
January 10 2012 21:36 GMT
#3011
On January 11 2012 06:25 Redox wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 11 2012 06:01 I_Love_Bacon wrote:
On January 11 2012 05:43 dooraven wrote:
TSM v CLG EU scrim starting now:
http://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/ob9qt/tsm_vs_clg_eu_scrim_now/

CLG Eu won v mTl.tt: 2-1


lol. 2-0 for TSM in under 3 minutes and CLG EU had their red stolen, and reginald has CLG's blue as well. Was looking forward to relaxing a bit and watching the game, but this is probably over.

Game was indeed not close. But the other way around than you thought lol.

Wickd just too strong on top lane. Udyr was a bad pick against his Iralia though.
And really good team play on CLGs part.

I thinkthe Udyr pick was more to cancel out Galio ult with bear stun than to counter irelia, but I think Galio countering leblanc hurt TSM more
barbsq
Profile Joined November 2009
United States5348 Posts
January 10 2012 21:36 GMT
#3012
On January 11 2012 06:33 I_Love_Bacon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 11 2012 06:30 Redox wrote:
On January 11 2012 06:26 I_Love_Bacon wrote:
On January 11 2012 06:25 Redox wrote:
On January 11 2012 06:01 I_Love_Bacon wrote:
On January 11 2012 05:43 dooraven wrote:
TSM v CLG EU scrim starting now:
http://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/ob9qt/tsm_vs_clg_eu_scrim_now/

CLG Eu won v mTl.tt: 2-1


lol. 2-0 for TSM in under 3 minutes and CLG EU had their red stolen, and reginald has CLG's blue as well. Was looking forward to relaxing a bit and watching the game, but this is probably over.

Game was indeed not close. But the other way around than you thought lol.

Wickd just too strong on top lane. Udyr was a bad pick against his Iralia though.
And really good team play on CLGs part.


Wasn't even Wickd, imo. I actually blame it solely on Reginald. He wasn't effective enough as LB. He roamed but couldn't secure kills, forcing odd one to sit in mid lane frequently. TSM never had wards and had no tabs on CLG because of it.

hah, just remembered reginald's awful attempt at a gank top in the 3v1 but dove right away for no reason, resulting in a lot of wasted summoners and no actual kill.

Wickd was the only one who dominated his lane. He was far ahead in creeps while also securing drakes, mid and bot tower for his team. He was in 11 of 12 team kills, 7 of them his.
Pretty sure he played a major part there.


Not saying he wasn't the MVP for his team, but I'm saying TSM lost the game because of poor play. The drake they secured was also another Reginald fail. He almost got killed and survived with < 100 hp and was forced to B, along with Oddone. That allowed an easy dragon for them. Wickd certainly won his lane, but I don't think he was what made TSM fall apart.


disclaimer: i didn't actually watch the game

saying CLG EU won is very different from saying TSM lost, you seem to be saying (at least from my perspective) that TSM should have won, but lost it because of poor play, which kinda invalidates what CLG EU does.
Look at this guy, constantly diluting himself! (╮°-°)╮┳━┳ ( ╯°□°)╯ ┻━┻
Beyonder
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
Netherlands15103 Posts
January 10 2012 21:37 GMT
#3013
On January 11 2012 06:36 Flakes wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 11 2012 06:25 Redox wrote:
On January 11 2012 06:01 I_Love_Bacon wrote:
On January 11 2012 05:43 dooraven wrote:
TSM v CLG EU scrim starting now:
http://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/ob9qt/tsm_vs_clg_eu_scrim_now/

CLG Eu won v mTl.tt: 2-1


lol. 2-0 for TSM in under 3 minutes and CLG EU had their red stolen, and reginald has CLG's blue as well. Was looking forward to relaxing a bit and watching the game, but this is probably over.

Game was indeed not close. But the other way around than you thought lol.

Wickd just too strong on top lane. Udyr was a bad pick against his Iralia though.
And really good team play on CLGs part.

I thinkthe Udyr pick was more to cancel out Galio ult with bear stun than to counter irelia, but I think Galio countering leblanc hurt TSM more


Ahh that is a really good point
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I_Love_Bacon
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States5765 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-10 21:39:54
January 10 2012 21:39 GMT
#3014
On January 11 2012 06:36 barbsq wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 11 2012 06:33 I_Love_Bacon wrote:
On January 11 2012 06:30 Redox wrote:
On January 11 2012 06:26 I_Love_Bacon wrote:
On January 11 2012 06:25 Redox wrote:
On January 11 2012 06:01 I_Love_Bacon wrote:
On January 11 2012 05:43 dooraven wrote:
TSM v CLG EU scrim starting now:
http://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/ob9qt/tsm_vs_clg_eu_scrim_now/

CLG Eu won v mTl.tt: 2-1


lol. 2-0 for TSM in under 3 minutes and CLG EU had their red stolen, and reginald has CLG's blue as well. Was looking forward to relaxing a bit and watching the game, but this is probably over.

Game was indeed not close. But the other way around than you thought lol.

Wickd just too strong on top lane. Udyr was a bad pick against his Iralia though.
And really good team play on CLGs part.


Wasn't even Wickd, imo. I actually blame it solely on Reginald. He wasn't effective enough as LB. He roamed but couldn't secure kills, forcing odd one to sit in mid lane frequently. TSM never had wards and had no tabs on CLG because of it.

hah, just remembered reginald's awful attempt at a gank top in the 3v1 but dove right away for no reason, resulting in a lot of wasted summoners and no actual kill.

Wickd was the only one who dominated his lane. He was far ahead in creeps while also securing drakes, mid and bot tower for his team. He was in 11 of 12 team kills, 7 of them his.
Pretty sure he played a major part there.


Not saying he wasn't the MVP for his team, but I'm saying TSM lost the game because of poor play. The drake they secured was also another Reginald fail. He almost got killed and survived with < 100 hp and was forced to B, along with Oddone. That allowed an easy dragon for them. Wickd certainly won his lane, but I don't think he was what made TSM fall apart.


disclaimer: i didn't actually watch the game

saying CLG EU won is very different from saying TSM lost, you seem to be saying (at least from my perspective) that TSM should have won, but lost it because of poor play, which kinda invalidates what CLG EU does.


CLG played well, so of course they deserve props. But given the lead TSM got, that should basically be game controlling. They didn't capitalize on it in the least and you can only run LB if you're going to land successful ganks while roaming; since you're clearly not going to win the farm. He couldn't; the final score was the result.

It's only seen as in/validation if you looking to fanboy for a team. I'm merely saying what happened. TSM had a sizeable advantage and threw it away with poor play while CLG played solid after their rocky start and capitalized on TSM's mistakes properly.
" i havent been playin sc2 but i woke up w/ a boner and i really had to pee... and my crisis management and micro was really something to behold. it inspired me to play some games today" -Liquid'Tyler
Mogwai
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States13274 Posts
January 10 2012 21:40 GMT
#3015
Galio counters lebonk, irelia counters udyr, was just bad picks IMO. I guess I'm just confused how jangle karthus does anything vs. rammoose and how vayne + janna can hang with MF + Sona at all.
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Beyonder
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
Netherlands15103 Posts
January 10 2012 21:41 GMT
#3016
Teemo jungle? Now ive seen it all XD
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phyvo
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States5635 Posts
January 10 2012 21:42 GMT
#3017
Riot real troll, releases two batches of fixes for Viktor but hasn't fixed augment power so that it actually provides the 3 seconds of movespeed listed in the tooltip rather than just 2.

Also they fixed Wukong Q not proccing lifesteal sometime in the past 6 months but poor Yorick's hasn't procced it since day 1 and still doesn't.

So many bugs...
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Two_DoWn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States13684 Posts
January 10 2012 21:43 GMT
#3018
On January 11 2012 06:41 Beyonder wrote:
Teemo jungle? Now ive seen it all XD

Holding it for a trade.
"What is the air speed velocity of an unladen courier?" "Dire or Radiant?"
Mogwai
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States13274 Posts
January 10 2012 21:44 GMT
#3019
there is nothing poor about Yorrick. why would you build lifesteal on Yorrick anyway?
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Beyonder
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
Netherlands15103 Posts
January 10 2012 21:44 GMT
#3020
On January 11 2012 06:43 Two_DoWn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 11 2012 06:41 Beyonder wrote:
Teemo jungle? Now ive seen it all XD

Holding it for a trade.

Ah, thought I heard them say it. Oki ^_^
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