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On December 13 2011 13:19 Ferrose wrote:
I like how they take the dodge% out of Udyr's passive and then replace it with NOTHING. Great rework, Riot. Also they still haven't done anything about Jax's dodge abilities, have they?
And I don't get why they keep nerfing Kass...
They are phasing it out, starting with rune refunds this patch. Not until later or next patch whenever will they finish removing it from everything in the game. What they are going to replace it with, I don't know.
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Warmogs change was needed imo, but still useful. I mean new atmogs is going to net you a whopping -100 hp, -2 damage, and -5hp5. I doubt it'll really be noticeable.
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On December 13 2011 13:14 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
VEIGARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR
START BOOTS WITHOUT NEEDING MANA REGEN RUNES NOW MWAHAHAHAHA
HOLD ME, I'M SCARED
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On December 13 2011 13:26 SnK-Arcbound wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2011 13:19 Ferrose wrote:
I like how they take the dodge% out of Udyr's passive and then replace it with NOTHING. Great rework, Riot. Also they still haven't done anything about Jax's dodge abilities, have they?
And I don't get why they keep nerfing Kass... They are phasing it out, starting with rune refunds this patch. Not until later or next patch whenever will they finish removing it from everything in the game. What they are going to replace it with, I don't know.
Yah what're they going to do with Jax? Dodge was like his whole gimmick.
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They actually buffed Xin. I am amazed.
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On December 13 2011 13:15 Nehsb wrote:
And Riot continues to nerf kassadin.
And undoubtedly, until riot nerfs him enough so that every high elo player is completely convinced that kassadin is dead, people at 1500 elo will continue to ban him even though every game I've seen where kassadin hasn't been banned he does terrible.
I see Kassadin rape all day long all the time so speak for yourself.
Veigar buffs are BIG, he was totally playable before, now he's gonna be strong, especially the reduced stun cost, thats huge.
Lux buffs also gonna make her very strong IMO
Love it as I play both!
still fucking with Mord passive....the whole design of the character is broken, either you cant get his shield down and he beasts everyone or you just destroy him and he's useless, needs a redesign IMO.
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On December 13 2011 13:24 Takkara wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2011 13:19 Ferrose wrote:
I like how they take the dodge% out of Udyr's passive and then replace it with NOTHING. Great rework, Riot. Also they still haven't done anything about Jax's dodge abilities, have they?
And I don't get why they keep nerfing Kass... Kass is like perma-ban at most elos? Udyr was definitely not weak. Not in lane or in jungle. Perhaps this overnerfs him, but I think he had some power buffer to survive it.
Except the reason people are banning kass is because nobody has gotten to play kass in any game because hes always banned, so they can't judge how large the range nerf is.
And especially at low elo, what people ban is not indicative of strength (people banning udyr for a long time comes to mind)
EDIT: Kass was too strong before all the nerfs, and IMO he wasn't great last patch but he was still at least playable, but Riot has a history of putting on a ton of small nerfs until the community finally realizes that the small nerfs hurt a lot and stop banning the champions. And this nerf will hurt a lot, 1 cd increase on ult really hurts your ability to snowball. And the nerfs kill some of what I liked about kassadin, the really long range q abuse in lane and really short ult cd at level 16.
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On December 13 2011 13:25 Ferrose wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2011 13:24 Takkara wrote:On December 13 2011 13:19 Ferrose wrote:
I like how they take the dodge% out of Udyr's passive and then replace it with NOTHING. Great rework, Riot. Also they still haven't done anything about Jax's dodge abilities, have they?
And I don't get why they keep nerfing Kass... Kass is like perma-ban at most elos? Udyr was definitely not weak. Not in lane or in jungle. Perhaps this overnerfs him, but I think he had some power buffer to survive it. Sent your ranged AD to mid, and mage to bot. Switch lanes as necessary. Congrats, you have now countered Kassadin.
Kass can switch lanes faster!
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I realized that winning is not about getting cs or kills. To win, you must hold the power of friendship. With friends that you love and trust, nothing will ever come between you.
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Dat GP spotlight...Phreak what are you doing man?
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still I think they should have done something about the Shaco instagank routes.
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The trynd nerf is fake. Its just designed to see if they can get away with nerfing something meaningless before they ACTUALLY nerf shit (ie absurd crit chance at low levels).
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Dude, has anyone tried playing Veigar as a bottom with support? I really like it, he's shouldn't have to battle bursty longrange AP's mid for the early game and he can really get his farm on bottom with his endlessly available Q keeping him safe behind taric or lux or whatever. I can stack up mad AP and then emerge to oneshot their AP later much easier without worrying about getting into earlygame duels with annie or brand that veigar really doesn't want. Level 1-8 is pretty much instant death if you miss one stun in some matchups mid.
Get graves or someone who can handle their shit and send them mid.
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On December 13 2011 13:36 sob3k wrote:
Dude, has anyone tried playing Veigar as a bottom with support? I really like it, he's shouldn't have to battle bursty longrange AP's mid for the early game and he can really get his farm on bottom with his endlessly available Q keeping him safe behind taric or lux or whatever. I can stack up mad AP and then emerge to oneshot their AP later much easier without worrying about getting into earlygame duels with annie or brand that veigar really doesn't want. Level 1-8 is pretty much instant death if you miss one stun in some matchups mid.
Bot Veigar is trash, Veigar is too level dependent. An underleveled Veigar is not gonna be able to kill anything ;d
Also two people zone Veigar easier than 1 person, no matter the support. Veigar cannot trade at all in his current state and the opposing bot lane can just go super aggro and make Veigar underfarmed AND underleveled. In mid at least you can get exp as Veigar.
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On December 13 2011 13:36 Two_DoWn wrote:
The trynd nerf is fake. Its just designed to see if they can get away with nerfing something meaningless before they ACTUALLY nerf shit (ie absurd crit chance at low levels).
Actually they basically reverted the buff on his bloodlust from his last buff. Aka this one
V1.0.0.123:
Bloodlust heal per 1 fury increased to 0.65/1.15/1.65/2.15/2.65 from 0.5/0.95/1.4/1.85/2.3.
Spinning Slash:
Base damage increased to 70/100/130/160/190 from 60/90/120/150/180.
Bonus AD ratio increased to 1.2 from 1.
Fixed a bug where Tryndamere was not gaining the proper Fury upon using Spinning Slash.
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On December 13 2011 13:31 Chairman Ray wrote:
I realized that winning is not about getting cs or kills. To win, you must hold the power of friendship. With friends that you love and trust, nothing will ever come between you.
that sounds gay
User was warned for this post
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They release +%hp runes... and then nerf warmogs... so fucking gay.
The one thing I would actually care about doing with +%HP runes would be running 5 warmogs 1 atmas... but now my dreams are crushed!
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On December 13 2011 13:39 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2011 13:36 sob3k wrote:
Dude, has anyone tried playing Veigar as a bottom with support? I really like it, he's shouldn't have to battle bursty longrange AP's mid for the early game and he can really get his farm on bottom with his endlessly available Q keeping him safe behind taric or lux or whatever. I can stack up mad AP and then emerge to oneshot their AP later much easier without worrying about getting into earlygame duels with annie or brand that veigar really doesn't want. Level 1-8 is pretty much instant death if you miss one stun in some matchups mid. Bot Veigar is trash, Veigar is too level dependent. An underleveled Veigar is not gonna be able to kill anything ;d Also two people zone Veigar easier than 1 person, no matter the support. Veigar cannot trade at all in his current state and the opposing bot lane can just go super aggro and make Veigar underfarmed AND underleveled. In mid at least you can get exp as Veigar.
I think he's more farm dependant than level, and he's such a lategame shiner that you are just trying to last long enough to get to his inevitable ownage status, which you do by not feeding early kills to their strong mid. He farms well under tower too.
I never feel useless as veigar except very early, pretty much no matter what.
I'm just going bot because I literally have no idea what to do if I end up matched up mid against goddamn kassadin or brand or cass. Hell a good annie is a fucking nightmare entirely based on hitting every stun. If its ranked then I guess the advice is to not pick veigar in bad situations, but fuck it I wanna play him and also normals.
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On December 13 2011 13:28 Nehsb wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2011 13:24 Takkara wrote:On December 13 2011 13:19 Ferrose wrote:
I like how they take the dodge% out of Udyr's passive and then replace it with NOTHING. Great rework, Riot. Also they still haven't done anything about Jax's dodge abilities, have they?
And I don't get why they keep nerfing Kass... Kass is like perma-ban at most elos? Udyr was definitely not weak. Not in lane or in jungle. Perhaps this overnerfs him, but I think he had some power buffer to survive it. Except the reason people are banning kass is because nobody has gotten to play kass in any game because hes always banned, so they can't judge how large the range nerf is. And especially at low elo, what people ban is not indicative of strength (people banning udyr for a long time comes to mind) EDIT: Kass was too strong before all the nerfs, and IMO he wasn't great last patch but he was still at least playable, but Riot has a history of putting on a ton of small nerfs until the community finally realizes that the small nerfs hurt a lot and stop banning the champions. And this nerf will hurt a lot, 1 cd increase on ult really hurts your ability to snowball. And the nerfs kill some of what I liked about kassadin, the really long range q abuse in lane and really short ult cd at level 16.
kassadin late game was still real strong. r in w, q and then r out.
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On December 13 2011 13:25 Ryalnos wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2011 13:18 obesechicken13 wrote:
I don't like veigar. No one champ should have all that power. At least maybe making his mana a little less awful at early levels opens him would open him up to be OP then nerfed back to reasonable levels...
I'm pretty terrified by the idea of veigar being good, hate playing against that champ. Zero fun.
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