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On December 24 2011 14:21 UniversalSnip wrote:Show nested quote +On December 24 2011 14:09 overt wrote:
Just cause those champs can jungle doesn't mean they should. Cho'gath could always jungle but considering how strong lane Cho is it never made sense to jungle. I would think the same would apply to any APs who can possibly jungle now. it doesn't matter if they're good laners, if cho was as good a jungler as the other jungles at the time he'd get picked both lane and jungle. You'd just be picking them for either role instead of only one. in solo queue most of the time, you choose a role first, then a champion.
Cho'gath is pretty good at jungling. He clears pretty fast and ganks well. Certainly better in the jungle than a lot of other APs who can jungle. The rationale was always that he was so good in lane and needed farm so running him in jungle didn't make sense.
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On December 24 2011 14:24 overt wrote:Show nested quote +On December 24 2011 14:21 UniversalSnip wrote:On December 24 2011 14:09 overt wrote:
Just cause those champs can jungle doesn't mean they should. Cho'gath could always jungle but considering how strong lane Cho is it never made sense to jungle. I would think the same would apply to any APs who can possibly jungle now. it doesn't matter if they're good laners, if cho was as good a jungler as the other jungles at the time he'd get picked both lane and jungle. You'd just be picking them for either role instead of only one. in solo queue most of the time, you choose a role first, then a champion. Cho'gath is pretty good at jungling. He clears pretty fast and ganks well. Certainly better in the jungle than a lot of other APs who can jungle. The rationale was always that he was so good in lane and needed farm so running him in jungle didn't make sense.
Well you can ask 5hit but I'm pretty sure the reason he wasn't a common jungle pick wasn't because people were scrambling all over themselves to get him in lane.
He could do it fine, but I don't think the reason it wasn't commonly done had anything to do with his laning abilities.
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I can never get past the fact that ChoGath has no scaling mr ;(
it annoys the hell out of me since I like to just stack armor when I have such high hp.
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Good laners that need farm and scale well with farm are better off in lane. Even if they can jungle fast it's generally better to put them in lane. Some exceptions include champs like lee sin and gp, who both scale well with farm but can jungle well too with strong ganks. But if you do run them in the jungle you usually want a more support style ap carry so they they can steal farm midgame to allow their lategame to kick in, which won't happen on only jungle gold.
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AP's don't belong in the jungle? Tell that to jungle maokai (which I still think is terrible because I've never lost a game to him).
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It doesn't. Matter. If he's good in lane or not. It really almost never matters if a champ is a good in a different role, 9/10 times you're like 'who to pick for role X?' not 'I'm gonna play champion X, what role should I put him in?' That's not optimal thinking but optimal thinking in champ select is punished in solo queue, how many times have you tried to swap with some dude and there's a problem and your team comp goes woop woop woop out the window? You just see what roles are open and pick what seems like the best hero at the moment for it.
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Gragas was a tank before they nerfed his W and innervating locket.
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On December 24 2011 14:28 tobi9999 wrote:
I can never get past the fact that ChoGath has no scaling mr ;(
it annoys the hell out of me since I like to just stack armor when I have such high hp.
Ditto, it's also cause there are more Armor+health items, than MR+health items, it just makes it easier to become really tanky against AD carries.
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On December 24 2011 14:33 SnK-Arcbound wrote:
AP's don't belong in the jungle? Tell that to jungle maokai (which I still think is terrible because I've never lost a game to him).
Maokai is only good jungler if lanes are full of burst, if not, his ganking is sub-optimal.
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On December 24 2011 15:01 wei2coolman wrote:Show nested quote +On December 24 2011 14:33 SnK-Arcbound wrote:
AP's don't belong in the jungle? Tell that to jungle maokai (which I still think is terrible because I've never lost a game to him). Maokai is only good jungler if lanes are full of burst, if not, his ganking is sub-optimal.
Wouldn't that make anyone with a snare/stun who is jungling good?
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On December 24 2011 14:40 UniversalSnip wrote:
It doesn't. Matter. If he's good in lane or not. It really almost never matters if a champ is a good in a different role, 9/10 times you're like 'who to pick for role X?' not 'I'm gonna play champion X, what role should I put him in?' That's not optimal thinking but optimal thinking in champ select is punished in solo queue, how many times have you tried to swap with some dude and there's a problem and your team comp goes woop woop woop out the window? You just see what roles are open and pick what seems like the best hero at the moment for it.
If we're talking solo q then it doesn't matter what you pick. Jungle veigar all the way, bro. Or jungle nidalee. Chuck max range spears from brush :D
I figured we were talking about an actual competitive team comp and why you wouldn't really want a lot of champs to jungle, even though any champ can jungle. >.> a lot of champs are just so farm/lvl dependant and already good laners, so even if they can clear the jungle quickly, throwing them into the jungle is just sub-optimal. :/
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On December 24 2011 15:01 wei2coolman wrote:Show nested quote +On December 24 2011 14:33 SnK-Arcbound wrote:
AP's don't belong in the jungle? Tell that to jungle maokai (which I still think is terrible because I've never lost a game to him). Maokai is only good jungler if lanes are full of burst, if not, his ganking is sub-optimal.
wut. no. maokai has amazing burst early game. his base damages are pretty darn high and his ap ratios are respectable. he drops off damage-wise lategame because if you jungle him you're gonna go full support/tank and thus not get any damage. Maokai has great ganks regardless if your lanes have burst or sustained damage. His snare lasts 1-2 seconds and his Q is an amazing slow+mini knockup.
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On December 24 2011 15:07 SnK-Arcbound wrote:Show nested quote +On December 24 2011 15:01 wei2coolman wrote:On December 24 2011 14:33 SnK-Arcbound wrote:
AP's don't belong in the jungle? Tell that to jungle maokai (which I still think is terrible because I've never lost a game to him). Maokai is only good jungler if lanes are full of burst, if not, his ganking is sub-optimal. Wouldn't that make anyone with a snare/stun who is jungling good?
i think it's probably the combination of having the cc as well as some sustain and and aoe for fast camp clearing
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On December 24 2011 15:07 SnK-Arcbound wrote:Show nested quote +On December 24 2011 15:01 wei2coolman wrote:On December 24 2011 14:33 SnK-Arcbound wrote:
AP's don't belong in the jungle? Tell that to jungle maokai (which I still think is terrible because I've never lost a game to him). Maokai is only good jungler if lanes are full of burst, if not, his ganking is sub-optimal. Wouldn't that make anyone with a snare/stun who is jungling good?
Well, some junglers (usually good solo q junglers) can deal a ridiculous amount of damage by themselves, and have pretty decent cc's. From my experience maokai's relative damage output is best in mid-game (around level 6-14) range. Any ganks before 6 require bursty lane champions. Of course this is just my 2cents.
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Interesting game from Goose. Karthus jungle with Karma Jarvan bot lane. but Locodoco carries too hard on Sivir.
Also Nhat and Aphromoo are a pretty good commentating pair.
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So I played a game today (normal game with 3 other friends) and got Balls from Goose and some of his lower elo friends. At the loading screen I thought "oh shit we're fucked....1600-2000 elo players against a bunch of 1200-1300 players...wtf. Even funnier was I was top lane as Rumble against Balls' Rumble, and we ended up killing eachother about 4-5 times up top, and we ended crushing them, unexpectedly.
And that's my LoL story of the day.
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On December 24 2011 16:46 starfries wrote:
Interesting game from Goose. Karthus jungle with Karma Jarvan bot lane. but Locodoco carries too hard on Sivir.
Also Nhat and Aphromoo are a pretty good commentating pair.
I turned off the commentary when Aphromoo was saying it's hard to last hit under tower as trist because she has low base ad
I'm pretty sure he just spoke out of his ass because of how long it took him to formulate a reason when Nhat asked him to explain himself.
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On December 24 2011 16:55 Craton wrote:Show nested quote +On December 24 2011 16:46 starfries wrote:
Interesting game from Goose. Karthus jungle with Karma Jarvan bot lane. but Locodoco carries too hard on Sivir.
Also Nhat and Aphromoo are a pretty good commentating pair. I turned off the commentary when Aphromoo was saying it's hard to last hit under tower as trist because she has low base ad I'm pretty sure he just spoke out of his ass because of how long it took him to formulate a reason when Nhat asked him to explain himself.
I tuned in late so I missed that part.
that explosive shot is annoying though, messes things up at low levels
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I would've accepted E making it difficult as a rational reason, but Trist didn't even have E at that point. Moreover she had Janna for free AD...
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