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Want to rage about your latest loss? Use the QQ thread. If you whine in GD, you'll get warned. ===== + Show Spoiler + If your [Stream] thread was moved to the general TL Stream subforum (aka SC stream land), find your thread and PM it to me and I'll move it back to LoL territory. I can argue with staff that moving a non-SC thread into a SC subforum is just asking for that thread to get buried. - Neo, Dec. 15 2011, 6:33 KST I have admin approval. I'll be moving LoL streams back to the subforum. Stream name will be based on Summoner name. - Neo 7:07 KST | ||
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Two_DoWn
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Blitzkrieg0
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jacosajh
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SnK-Arcbound
United States4423 Posts
On December 19 2011 14:25 DEN1ED wrote: But he doesn't become "legendary almost unstoppable" IF you punish him early. Which they didn't do. You are making the stupidest argument ever. First it was vayne has a weak laning phase, which lasts at most half of a game (10 minutes), leaving over 30 minutes for you to get to the point of being unstoppable. Now it's punish vayne early, which is specifically the purpose of the entire format being ad + support bot, so your ad can farm without being pushed out of the lane. What, you're going to sacrifice every lane and the jungle so you might be able to stop a vayne from farming? This is just as bad as all the people saying you counter eve by spending thousands of gold on pink wards. | ||
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Ryuu314
United States12679 Posts
On December 19 2011 14:33 Two_DoWn wrote: Meh. Double shoulda been dead. It was just horrible play from shaco and corki. Shaco didnt exaust until it was too late, or ult for that matter. In all reality it should have been a situation where Double was overextended (he was) and dead (he should have been). Doublelift had cleanse and he used it asap when shaco exhausted him so the lack of an exhaust probably didn't do much. But yea, Corki+Shaco def played that badly. | ||
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DEN1ED
United States1087 Posts
On December 19 2011 14:36 SnK-Arcbound wrote: You are making the stupidest argument ever. First it was vayne has a weak laning phase, which lasts at most half of a game (10 minutes), leaving over 30 minutes for you to get to the point of being unstoppable. Now it's punish vayne early, Um, vayne having a weak laning phase and punishing her early go hand in hand... Because she has a weak laning phase, you can and SHOULD punish her. But sure, just call my arguments stupid and claim that vayne being OP is the reason doublelift did what he did and not his skill. Im done. | ||
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SnK-Arcbound
United States4423 Posts
On December 19 2011 14:44 DEN1ED wrote: Um, vayne having a weak laning phase and punishing her early go hand in hand... Because she has a weak laning phase, you can and SHOULD punish her. But sure, just call my arguments stupid and claim that vayne being OP is the reason doublelift did what he did and not his skill. Im done. No, your judgement is stupid because you ignore things about the game that exist as if this was just a 1v1 game. You ignore the format, you ignore every other lane, you ignore the jungler, and then you wonder why I say your reasoning is stupid? When 1v1 becomes the prominent tournament setting, give me a call (but vayne is still the best 1v1 champion in the game). User was warned for this post | ||
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UniversalSnip
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Two_DoWn
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On December 19 2011 14:54 UniversalSnip wrote: Why are you guys being so uncivil? I feel as if this thread is real unfriendly lately. Do you really think it makes your argument more credible to call the other guy stupid? Do you think it's convincing them? seriously... At some point personal attacks and trolling became the MO of the forum. | ||
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Keniji
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starfries
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BlackPaladin
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On December 19 2011 14:35 Blitzkrieg0 wrote: How does Vayne have a terrible laning phase exactly? I guess you could easily push her to tower with a bunch of champions since vayne has no aoe clear, but as long as you can last hit under tower it doesn't matter ^_^ Anyone with range on her can abuse her low range. Her laning isn't bad....any combo with a decent amount of cc can allow vayne to open up on them (ali, taric) and win out with burst. But if you don't allow the lane combo to do their offensive combo (cait traps for zoning as an example) then you're able to abuse her low range to your own advantage. You can also run something like Kog + soraka/sona where both scale similarly well into lategame, although kog does well vs vayne in lane too. In that 1v2 that double did, he was firstly more farmed than corki. He also dodged a lot of the rockets with tumble + bad placement from corki and didn't eat that much of the gattling gun because of tumble. That means he outright did a lot more damage than corki + healed a lot of damage taken because of the fully stacked BT which was something corki didn't have. He was able to kite shaco pretty well too so shaco didn't really have much damage at that point in time. >.> | ||
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SnK-Arcbound
United States4423 Posts
On December 19 2011 15:05 Two_DoWn wrote: At some point personal attacks and trolling became the MO of the forum. Saying someones judgement is stupid is different from saying someone is stupid. If "shut them down in lane" is a viable strategy, why does riot ever need to nerf champions. Orianna just spamming teams down? Shut her down in lane. Super carries destroying team fights? Destroy them in lane. The new double WotA ruining your day? Shut them down in lane! Poke comp ruining your day? Shut them down in lane! I can't imagine why every pro team hasn't thought of this before. | ||
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Treadmill
Canada2833 Posts
On December 19 2011 15:10 Keniji wrote: I don't really want to argue about if vayne is op or not. There is just one thing that always bothered me about vayne. True damage + damage based on maximum health? really? That's just incredible retarded. Why would you put that in a game where everything else is at least somewhat counterable? Is it even possible to balance that? It feels like it's either super crap or super overpowered. I've heard this argument a bunch. But Vayne's true damage IS counterable. You kill Vayne. Which is less glib than it sounds; against vayne you want less to build armour and health, how you would normally counter damage, but instead build more damage to just kill her. Though most of her damage is still ad so armour and health is still good. Also exhaust and anything else that slows attack speed 'counters' her true damage significantly. And you can avoid the third hit to stop silver bolts from proccing. Edit: also, we should probably start using the 'report' button more on this forum. | ||
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UniversalSnip
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On December 19 2011 15:22 SnK-Arcbound wrote: Saying someones judgement is stupid is different from saying someone is stupid. Yeah, sure. Everyone respects that argument, arcbound. | ||
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BlackPaladin
United States9316 Posts
On December 19 2011 15:22 SnK-Arcbound wrote: Saying someones judgement is stupid is different from saying someone is stupid. If "shut them down in lane" is a viable strategy, why does riot ever need to nerf champions. Orianna just spamming teams down? Shut her down in lane. Super carries destroying team fights? Destroy them in lane. The new double WotA ruining your day? Shut them down in lane! Poke comp ruining your day? Shut them down in lane! I can't imagine why every pro team hasn't thought of this before. Okay, more like, "Shut them down in lane and END THE GAME before they recover." If "shut them down in lane" wasn't a viable strategy, you'd never see someone like pantheon or garen played ever who drop off pretty hard lategame. Because guess what, not all champions have the same power curves. Every champion has some type of way to help counter them. | ||
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Ferrose
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I am actually joining Dignitas as their jungler because Jatt can't do it anymore. That's why he wasn't there today and they had that sub. I already told Curse I would play with them for this tournament though so I was committed as I am a man of my word. I won't be moving into the TSM house or replacing The Rain Man afterall.. (:3) Is this true? Scumbag Jatt replaced by Scumbag Elementz?! | ||
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jyisvip
Canada209 Posts
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SnK-Arcbound
United States4423 Posts
On December 19 2011 15:35 BlackPaladin wrote: Okay, more like, "Shut them down in lane and END THE GAME before they recover." If "shut them down in lane" wasn't a viable strategy, you'd never see someone like pantheon or garen played ever who drop off pretty hard lategame. Because guess what, not all champions have the same power curves. Every champion has some type of way to help counter them. In order for one person to shut down someone else in a lane, it requires that players team to completely ignore the lane that's getting shit on. If someone is losing hard, should you ignore that lane completely? It's not like counters aren't known, it takes a conscience effort to then let that person lose their lane from the rest of your team. And there are other viable things that pro teams do to counter this, like the game I believe it was tsm vs clg, where tsm went taric garen lane to counter ashe sona, and clg just lane swapped them to mid instead of letting them get shit on. The amount of bad your entire team has to be in order to get shut down in lane is absurd. It's as simple as listening to what artosis says about playing, you should rely on yourself being good, not your opponent being bad. I'm going to rely on the Artosis knowledge that it isn't a viable strategy for winning games because of it. edit: so here's a question, at what point does "don't let a lane get shit on" counter "shut them down in lane"? How do you balance the two, and which one wins. | ||
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Ryalnos
United States1946 Posts
On December 19 2011 15:36 Ferrose wrote: http://na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?t=1616912 Is this true? Scumbag Jatt replaced by Scumbag Elementz?! Elementz's post on page 3. | ||
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