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Vancouver14381 Posts
There was only 1 bad Zilean ult, but that wasn't really jiji's fault. They were fighting by inhib and got dived but jiji rezed Soraka early rather than saving it for Vayne or someone else who could defend better.
On December 05 2011 04:46 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On December 05 2011 04:44 spinesheath wrote:On December 05 2011 04:41 WaveofShadow wrote:On December 05 2011 04:39 spinesheath wrote:
Vayne has nothing to do with this. It's just really bad teamfighting that lost this game. I disagree. It was really good teamfighting on Canada's part. Perfect Zil bombs/ultis, Vayne knockbacks, Soraka heals... Yeah there was a fight in the base where Lee Sin overextended but it was the very first teamfight that changed everything and I didn't really see too many mistakes on zzz's part in that one. Allowing Vayne to flank Xerath and also kill Graves while the 3 tanky guys are one screen away chasing Soraka and Udyr? If you didn't see any mistakes there, you gotta look closer. Valid point ( I forgot about how she got in there in the first place), but as I said, you're not going to see Cait/Ashe/Trist flanking anybody in any jungle and surviving.
CLGCA was running towards baron when Vayne ran from mid lane while the other 4 were running from top lane. The other team caught them around blue brush and they chased the 4 of them down the corridor. Vayne was just able to show up at the right time to snipe Xerath.
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as soon as chaox showed into the picture burbs and co should have switched focus immediately, because nobody else getting fed on jiji's team would match olaf's strength. as a strong midgame carry, your focus should be to shut down the enemy hard carry's farm, because the later it gets the more of a nightmare that becomes for olaf
fed zilean? get MR
fed udyr (who started 0-5?)? lol k, ignore
fed soraka? ok
fed GP? strong, but not olaf strong
fed vayne against a team that only has alistar to really shut her down (and then can just get zilean ulted?) big risk
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Chaox: That game felt bad
Hotshot: That was my bad, I fed early
Chaox: No, I'm used to that, Rainman does that all the time
LOL
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On December 05 2011 04:49 OreoBoi wrote:
Chaox: That game felt bad
Hotshot: That was my bad, I fed early
Chaox: No, I'm used to that, Rainman does that all the time
LOL
:D hah, top lanes
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On December 05 2011 04:49 OreoBoi wrote:
Chaox: That game felt bad
Hotshot: That was my bad, I fed early
Chaox: No, I'm used to that, Rainman does that all the time
LOL
and who told me rainman doesn't lose his lane all the time?
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I can quite surprised graves felt he couldn't match non fed vayne early. I would have thought his passive to be more useful.
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I believe Chaox said something more along the lines of "No, I'm used that, Rainman goes full derp sometimes" rather than all the time.
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On December 05 2011 04:52 SnK-Arcbound wrote:Show nested quote +On December 05 2011 04:49 OreoBoi wrote:
Chaox: That game felt bad
Hotshot: That was my bad, I fed early
Chaox: No, I'm used to that, Rainman does that all the time
LOL and who told me rainman doesn't lose his lane all the time?
everyone who watches TSM play more than once
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Straight outta Johto18973 Posts
Dang, it sounds like I missed out a really awesome game. :o Are there/going to be VoDs?
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On December 05 2011 04:46 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On December 05 2011 04:44 spinesheath wrote:On December 05 2011 04:41 WaveofShadow wrote:On December 05 2011 04:39 spinesheath wrote:
Vayne has nothing to do with this. It's just really bad teamfighting that lost this game. I disagree. It was really good teamfighting on Canada's part. Perfect Zil bombs/ultis, Vayne knockbacks, Soraka heals... Yeah there was a fight in the base where Lee Sin overextended but it was the very first teamfight that changed everything and I didn't really see too many mistakes on zzz's part in that one. Allowing Vayne to flank Xerath and also kill Graves while the 3 tanky guys are one screen away chasing Soraka and Udyr? If you didn't see any mistakes there, you gotta look closer. Valid point ( I forgot about how she got in there in the first place), but as I said, you're not going to see Cait/Ashe/Trist flanking anybody in any jungle and surviving.
Of course not. But Vayne doesn't have a global stun, isn't nearly as safe in lane as Cait, and doesn't have the range and ASpd of Trist. Vayne can burst squishies if she gets to 1v1 them with a wall stun. That shouldn't even happen though. It's pretty stupid to call Vayne OP because of horrible positioning mistakes by the enemy.
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vayne's not OP, but her mobility is good against a lot of skillshot nukers (xerath) and bruisers who do not have the damage output to instagib her (varies by game and farm). with the new and improved cleanse and qss, aoe cc is becoming a less viable route to shut her and her team down unless they get 5 man ali q'd or something. she's good in spread teamfights, and if you have a way to force such teamfights (zilean double bombs, janna, w/e) she can be very strong.
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On December 05 2011 05:15 spinesheath wrote:Show nested quote +On December 05 2011 04:46 WaveofShadow wrote:On December 05 2011 04:44 spinesheath wrote:On December 05 2011 04:41 WaveofShadow wrote:On December 05 2011 04:39 spinesheath wrote:
Vayne has nothing to do with this. It's just really bad teamfighting that lost this game. I disagree. It was really good teamfighting on Canada's part. Perfect Zil bombs/ultis, Vayne knockbacks, Soraka heals... Yeah there was a fight in the base where Lee Sin overextended but it was the very first teamfight that changed everything and I didn't really see too many mistakes on zzz's part in that one. Allowing Vayne to flank Xerath and also kill Graves while the 3 tanky guys are one screen away chasing Soraka and Udyr? If you didn't see any mistakes there, you gotta look closer. Valid point ( I forgot about how she got in there in the first place), but as I said, you're not going to see Cait/Ashe/Trist flanking anybody in any jungle and surviving. Of course not. But Vayne doesn't have a global stun, isn't nearly as safe in lane as Cait, and doesn't have the range and ASpd of Trist. Vayne can burst squishies if she gets to 1v1 them with a wall stun. That shouldn't even happen though. It's pretty stupid to call Vayne OP because of horrible positioning mistakes by the enemy.
She can also burst tanks and dish out the single highest DPS given equal farm of any ranged AD (except possibly Kog?).
I will admit my wrongness in failing to consider enemy team mistakes (mebbe this is why I'm not plat?  ) however I imagine there is a good reason why you don't see Ashe picked very often anymore, global stun or not. I understand each ranged carry has their own niche to fill, but Vayne just seems to fill hers exceptionally well, to the detriment of others based on her absolutely stupid damage output and positioning ability.
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any of the most known Canadian streamers
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CA 7-6 kills with Dig but also up on towers and dragon kills.
Map control with double oracles, and just won a fight 3-0 near their blue. Chaox also takes down mid bot turret. Big lead now.
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Wow they used all their ults on hotshot, and he's only half hp lol
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This team they have should quit TSM and CLG and just run as this 5. Look real stronk against Dig. 10-6, 21 mins, 5 towers to 1.
EDIT: Another ace on Dignitas at 25min. Too stronk.
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«You're just so retarded Elementz huehuehue» ©TOO
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TSM stayed too long to kill top inhib, lose 2 then Dig takes Baron, Dig chases HSGG and Chaox back to their base, trade a few players with revived team.
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Whiffed Malph ult in that last teamfight. Too good Dig.
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