[Patch 1.0.0.128: Shyvana] General Discussion - Page 118

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TofuFox

374 Posts

November 08 2011 20:44 GMT

#2341

On November 09 2011 05:15 Requizen wrote:
CLG not going to Columbus: http://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/m55y2/clg_not_going_to_mlg_providence_details_in/

I can't find any substitute rules (for legal or illegal substitutes) on the MLG website in either the Qualifier Rules or Providence rules; anyone know?

Sabin010

United States1892 Posts

November 08 2011 20:44 GMT

#2342

CLG clearly cheated and was disqualified for a good reason.

Edit: The sub in question was not part of the registered roster and played a match for another team in said tournament. If that isn't an advantage I don't know what is.

Hynda

Sweden2226 Posts

November 08 2011 20:46 GMT

#2343

On November 09 2011 05:34 Juicyfruit wrote:

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On November 09 2011 05:15 Hynda wrote:

On November 09 2011 05:08 Sandster wrote:

On November 09 2011 04:56 Hynda wrote:

On November 09 2011 04:43 yamato77 wrote:

On November 09 2011 04:37 Hynda wrote:

On November 09 2011 04:29 yamato77 wrote:
"US gets 2 teams and everyone else only gets one, huehuehue."

Yes it is. I don't see how you can get it to anything else. "We screwed this team over, so now we are going to screw you over to try to fix our relations with that team". I don't know if you've played sports on a competative level, but I have and if suddenly one team got a free ride (regardless of which of CDE and Dignitas you feel is getting the free ride) it would be an outrage.

It's not really screwing anyone over unless you are a tried and true patriot. Also, as cited before, WCG has allowed disproportionate numbers of participants from the same country in other events before. The question shouldn't even be "Is this unfair to everyone else?" when the discussion is about what happened to CDE. Riot made the best decision they could to fix an awful blunder by WCG/Marcou. Obviously CDE earned their way though once in what they thought was the official way, and then Dignitas earned theirs in the "rematch". It's not really fair to send one while the other stays in the U.S.

If anyone from another country honestly can look at this situation and see U.S. favoritism, they've lost their perspective. Perhaps it's an "advantage for the U.S." in that we have 2 teams, but honestly, I'm not rooting for my country, I'm rooting for CDE. I'm sure it's that way for a lot of people.

That's the thing. They didn't. I love CDE I feel I need to state this, over and over. according to the rules they didn't earn it, they just played under false pretences. is it horse-shit that it could happen? Yes, is it a horrible, horrible way of running a tourney, yes. Retroactivly changing the rules, is the worst thing you could possibly to do to keep integrity. And that is what they are doing now. People act as if the way CDE won was ever stated in the rules, and it wasn't. It was just the pay people believed would be the rules, but it was never part of the rules.

and saying that Dignitas should have just thrown the game cause they followed the rules is bullshit, learn to play professionally.

It was the rules of every double elim LoL tourney, ever
It was the rules posted on the WCG website
It was the rules of the last WCG qualifier last year
It was the rules played used in WCG Canada played the same week
The players were never told of any changes to the rules

and THAT'S the conclusion you draw? Are you serious?

Playing professionally means playing with integrity. There is nothing professional about losing, wishing your opponents best of luck in the next round, then going back and playing a rematch anyway. No, they did not technically do anything wrong, but it's the same distinction as law and ethics. Just because you can get away with it doesn't make it right.

If someone the organisers tell you that you havn't lost cause that is not the rules they use, you never forfeight ever. Look when they asked Reginald, he wouldn't do it. Nobody on any of the big teams would throw that match. Because if the rules says you are still in, you're still in. Regardless if the rules are horribadly written and doesn't match the actual rules used on site. There is a reason that there is a rule that says you can change any rule you want within a tourney. It's horrible missinformation from the most ammaturish of tournaments I've ever seen.

the lack of balls from the organizers is so astounding it really pisses me off.
Either: CDE gets to go because that was what was set on the site and that was the only information given at the time to the players.
or
Dignitas gets to go becuse those were the rules that was going to be used and it was just a information misstake from their side,but it was always intended to be that way.

You don't send both teams, that's so unprofessional it's insane, refusing to take reponsibility for your own actions at its finest.

Man, first you say it's okay for them to change the rules and let Dignitas play a second set, and then you say it's not okay to change the rules and send two teams.

No I'm saying that you can not run a tournament without set rules. It's the information that is shit. I don't think they are corrupt I think they are stupid. Either someone made a rogue decision and changed the rules on the spot, then Dignitas shouldn't be going to Korea. Or it was ment to be like that, but the information provided was shit, then CdE shouldn't be going.

red_b

United States1267 Posts

November 08 2011 20:48 GMT

#2344

WCG story getting better err'day

maybe they'll find a way to DQ dignitas, lol how ironic would that be?

taLbuk

Madagascar1879 Posts

November 08 2011 20:49 GMT

#2345

On November 09 2011 05:44 Sabin010 wrote:
CLG clearly cheated and was disqualified for a good reason.

cheated is the wrong term for what they did, they made an illegal substitute because lapaka already participated in the tournament in AL vs TSM round 1. they could have used ANY fucking random person except lapaka and would still be fine, shitty situation that the other team took 4 hours to play a bo3, but shit happens.

also

lapaka support, advantage, ROFL.

TofuFox

374 Posts

November 08 2011 20:49 GMT

#2346

On November 09 2011 05:46 Hynda wrote:
No I'm saying that you can not run a tournament without set rules. It's the information that is shit. I don't think they are corrupt I think they are stupid.

We all know WCG is stupid. But allowing both to go is the least stupid decision left after they forced the second set. The correct decision would have been to not hold the second set since holding the second set was in clear violation of the only stated rules. But the second set was held and as a result sending only CDE and not Dignitas would be a worse decision than sending both.

Hynda

Sweden2226 Posts

November 08 2011 20:50 GMT

#2347

On November 09 2011 05:26 De4ngus wrote:

CLG not going to Columbus: http://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/m55y2/clg_not_going_to_mlg_providence_details_in/

That's just dumb... While I get the Dignitas/CDE controversy split camps this one should be obvious. Stupid move by CLG, they deserved it.

Juicyfruit

Canada5484 Posts

November 08 2011 20:51 GMT

#2348

You can't really blame the other team for taking so long since it's not particularly unreasonable to take 4 hours to play 3 games with picks/bans and stuff.

Also, could they really have used another player who's not in the tournament?

Hynda

Sweden2226 Posts

November 08 2011 20:52 GMT

#2349

On November 09 2011 05:49 TofuFox wrote:

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Lets agree to disagree, but lets agree on that WCG is a bunch of tossers. I should apply to be their new coordinator and show them how to run a bloody buisness.

taLbuk

Madagascar1879 Posts

November 08 2011 20:52 GMT

#2350

On November 09 2011 05:51 Juicyfruit wrote:
You can't really blame the other team for taking so long since it's not particularly unreasonable to take 4 hours to play 3 games with picks/bans and stuff.

Also, could they really have used another player who's not in the tournament?

its pretty clear what they did was against the rules and they deserve the DQ, but people labeling them cheaters is really hilarious, almost as hilarious as thinking lapaka's support is good

Craton

United States17274 Posts

November 08 2011 20:52 GMT

#2351

On November 09 2011 05:44 Sabin010 wrote:
CLG clearly cheated and was disqualified for a good reason.

Edit: The sub in question was not part of the registered roster and played a match for another team in said tournament. If that isn't an advantage I don't know what is.

lol I don't know that I would call support Lapaka an advantage...

Anyway, tournaments in general need to do a better job at dealing with time constraints. It's commonplace for these 1-2 day tournaments to go grossly over the scheduled time, which is really unacceptable.

Hynda

Sweden2226 Posts

November 08 2011 20:52 GMT

#2352

How can you play without having a back up planned? What if someone tripped and broke their hand, got sick... or passed out.

TofuFox

374 Posts

November 08 2011 20:53 GMT

#2353

Oh, it's a perfectly reasonable rule. I just wanted to know if anyone knew what the substitute rules were in full. Closest thing I can find is:

6. The Bracket will conclude when all but 4 Teams have been eliminated. The final 4 Teams in the Bracket will advance to compete in the MLG Providence event. If a Providence Team is, at any time, left with fewer than 3 Players from the Team Roster used in the Online Qualifier, it will lose its spot in the LoL Providence Event.

Which suggests they can use 2 random subs, but isn't really directly on point.

MoonBear

Straight outta Johto18973 Posts

November 08 2011 20:53 GMT

#2354

Very disappointed that CLG won't be at MLG. But I can understand why they were disqualified and the disqualification is justified.

I hope Lilac is okay though! Must have put himself through a lot if he passed out. >.<

Hynda

Sweden2226 Posts

November 08 2011 20:54 GMT

#2355

On November 09 2011 05:52 taLbuk wrote:

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its pretty clear what they did was against the rules and they deserve the DQ, but people labeling them cheaters is really hilarious, almost as hilarious as thinking lapaka's support is good

Shush lapaka's support is godlike, just give him all the farm and he'll ad sona their asses.

taLbuk

Madagascar1879 Posts

November 08 2011 20:54 GMT

#2356

On November 09 2011 05:53 MoonBear wrote:
Very disappointed that CLG won't be at MLG. But I can understand why they were disqualified and the disqualification is justified.

I hope Lilac is okay though! Must have put himself through a lot if he passed out. >.<

same, i wish MLG let them 4v5 lol

Hynda

Sweden2226 Posts

November 08 2011 20:55 GMT

#2357

Playing tourneys is stressing! being up 24 hours then starting a stress test isn't the best thing you can do, he'll very likely be fine.

R04R

United States1631 Posts

November 08 2011 21:16 GMT

#2358

LIQUIDPARTY ASSEMBLE

in PBE

gtrsrs

United States9109 Posts

November 08 2011 21:17 GMT

#2359

remember in the old general discussion threads when we used to talk about the game and playing the game
boy those were the days

Sandster

United States4054 Posts

November 08 2011 21:18 GMT

#2360

Sucks for CLG but I hope tournament organizers learn to enforce time rules from now on. 4 hours for 3 games is extremely unreasonable because time between games + picks/bans shouldn't exceed 15-20min total. Part of playing in tournaments is planning and preparing, so teams with better preparation on their strategies and choices will have an advantage if strict time limits are enforced. Hopefully it will also encourage teams to add a coach specifically for this.

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