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Want to rage about your latest loss? Use the QQ thread. If you whine in GD, you'll get warned. - Neo, 9:49 KST, Nov 9th |
Any word on this 9-tailed fox that was supposed to be coming out, or is she coming when we get the magma chamber patch.
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probably need to release something with big boobies first if riot marketing team keeps their trend up.
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On November 09 2011 04:56 Hynda wrote:Show nested quote +On November 09 2011 04:43 yamato77 wrote:On November 09 2011 04:37 Hynda wrote:On November 09 2011 04:29 yamato77 wrote:
"US gets 2 teams and everyone else only gets one, huehuehue." Yes it is. I don't see how you can get it to anything else. "We screwed this team over, so now we are going to screw you over to try to fix our relations with that team". I don't know if you've played sports on a competative level, but I have and if suddenly one team got a free ride (regardless of which of CDE and Dignitas you feel is getting the free ride) it would be an outrage. It's not really screwing anyone over unless you are a tried and true patriot. Also, as cited before, WCG has allowed disproportionate numbers of participants from the same country in other events before. The question shouldn't even be "Is this unfair to everyone else?" when the discussion is about what happened to CDE. Riot made the best decision they could to fix an awful blunder by WCG/Marcou. Obviously CDE earned their way though once in what they thought was the official way, and then Dignitas earned theirs in the "rematch". It's not really fair to send one while the other stays in the U.S. If anyone from another country honestly can look at this situation and see U.S. favoritism, they've lost their perspective. Perhaps it's an "advantage for the U.S." in that we have 2 teams, but honestly, I'm not rooting for my country, I'm rooting for CDE. I'm sure it's that way for a lot of people. That's the thing. They didn't. I love CDE I feel I need to state this, over and over. according to the rules they didn't earn it, they just played under false pretences. is it horse-shit that it could happen? Yes, is it a horrible, horrible way of running a tourney, yes. Retroactivly changing the rules, is the worst thing you could possibly to do to keep integrity. And that is what they are doing now. People act as if the way CDE won was ever stated in the rules, and it wasn't. It was just the pay people believed would be the rules, but it was never part of the rules.
It was in the rules. The rules on the website (and I believe the rules distributed to players) stated that there was only a 1 game advantage. So according to the rules that were posted, (the same rules that Canada played and ended their tournament under) CDE was the champion.
It was the retroactive "Oh we MEANT something different" that created the second bo3 that awarded Dignitas the victory.
Please get your facts straight before spreading false information.
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On November 09 2011 04:22 Two_DoWn wrote:Show nested quote +On November 09 2011 04:09 mr_tolkien wrote:On November 09 2011 04:00 Sandster wrote:On November 09 2011 03:58 taLbuk wrote:On November 09 2011 03:54 Sandster wrote:On November 09 2011 03:44 Requizen wrote:
Wait, I haven't really been following this that much. I thought one of them got knocked out of the qualifiers or something? Wasn't there a technically illegal rematch? I need a fucking study guide to follow this drama. TLDR: -CDE (pug team of CLG and TSM members) loses to dignitas in the upper bracket, and fights through the loser bracket to reach the finals. -Under normal LoL extended series rules this would mean a bo3 finals, with the upper bracket winner (dignitas) up one game. This was what all the players thought. -CDE wins two in a row, winning the match (and a trip to wcg korea). -WCG decides after the matches are already played to change the rules, saying that even though the written rules state bo3 with 1 game advantage, they MEANT bo3 bo3 (first to win 2 sets of bo3s), with the upper bracket winner up a set. This means that the sets are now tied 1-1, and the teams need to play a third set. -CDE loses the third set 1-2. Chaos ensues. -Now it appears that riot and wcg will send both teams to korea instead of just one. The drama comes from a combination of dignitas's poor sportsmanship regarding the situation, WCG's utter incompetence, and Riot's refusal to take blame or responsibility for the situation. It looks like they finally are addressing it, though. it's also good to note that the rules POSTED said bo3 with 1 game advantage, its not like they just *thought* its normal bo3 with 1 game advantage, it explicitly said it. But WCG changed it (without updating any of the posted rules on their sites) at the beginning of the season to two Bo3 because it was supposed to be a live Lan finals and not an online finals. but man its fucking silly to have 2 teams representing usa kind of unfair, tee hee To be fair, stronger nations in wcg starcraft have more representation (Korea always sends 3 players), so it's not inconsistent with other events :D Please remind me of the American/European results at IEM New York :D Please remind me of the American/European results at IEM China
3/1, couting one loss from a half complete Millenium :p
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On November 09 2011 05:00 Two_DoWn wrote:Show nested quote +On November 09 2011 04:56 Hynda wrote:On November 09 2011 04:43 yamato77 wrote:On November 09 2011 04:37 Hynda wrote:On November 09 2011 04:29 yamato77 wrote:
"US gets 2 teams and everyone else only gets one, huehuehue." Yes it is. I don't see how you can get it to anything else. "We screwed this team over, so now we are going to screw you over to try to fix our relations with that team". I don't know if you've played sports on a competative level, but I have and if suddenly one team got a free ride (regardless of which of CDE and Dignitas you feel is getting the free ride) it would be an outrage. It's not really screwing anyone over unless you are a tried and true patriot. Also, as cited before, WCG has allowed disproportionate numbers of participants from the same country in other events before. The question shouldn't even be "Is this unfair to everyone else?" when the discussion is about what happened to CDE. Riot made the best decision they could to fix an awful blunder by WCG/Marcou. Obviously CDE earned their way though once in what they thought was the official way, and then Dignitas earned theirs in the "rematch". It's not really fair to send one while the other stays in the U.S. If anyone from another country honestly can look at this situation and see U.S. favoritism, they've lost their perspective. Perhaps it's an "advantage for the U.S." in that we have 2 teams, but honestly, I'm not rooting for my country, I'm rooting for CDE. I'm sure it's that way for a lot of people. That's the thing. They didn't. I love CDE I feel I need to state this, over and over. according to the rules they didn't earn it, they just played under false pretences. is it horse-shit that it could happen? Yes, is it a horrible, horrible way of running a tourney, yes. Retroactivly changing the rules, is the worst thing you could possibly to do to keep integrity. And that is what they are doing now. People act as if the way CDE won was ever stated in the rules, and it wasn't. It was just the pay people believed would be the rules, but it was never part of the rules. It was in the rules. The rules on the website (and I believe the rules distributed to players) stated that there was only a 1 game advantage. So according to the rules that were posted, (the same rules that Canada played and ended their tournament under) CDE was the champion. It was the retroactive "Oh we MEANT something different" that created the second bo3 that awarded Dignitas the victory. Please get your facts straight before spreading false information.
This was the impression I was under as well. It's moreso the situation they don't want to retroactively take away dignitas' victory and spot at WCG after awarding it.
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On November 09 2011 04:56 Hynda wrote:Show nested quote +On November 09 2011 04:43 yamato77 wrote:On November 09 2011 04:37 Hynda wrote:On November 09 2011 04:29 yamato77 wrote:
"US gets 2 teams and everyone else only gets one, huehuehue." Yes it is. I don't see how you can get it to anything else. "We screwed this team over, so now we are going to screw you over to try to fix our relations with that team". I don't know if you've played sports on a competative level, but I have and if suddenly one team got a free ride (regardless of which of CDE and Dignitas you feel is getting the free ride) it would be an outrage. It's not really screwing anyone over unless you are a tried and true patriot. Also, as cited before, WCG has allowed disproportionate numbers of participants from the same country in other events before. The question shouldn't even be "Is this unfair to everyone else?" when the discussion is about what happened to CDE. Riot made the best decision they could to fix an awful blunder by WCG/Marcou. Obviously CDE earned their way though once in what they thought was the official way, and then Dignitas earned theirs in the "rematch". It's not really fair to send one while the other stays in the U.S. If anyone from another country honestly can look at this situation and see U.S. favoritism, they've lost their perspective. Perhaps it's an "advantage for the U.S." in that we have 2 teams, but honestly, I'm not rooting for my country, I'm rooting for CDE. I'm sure it's that way for a lot of people. That's the thing. They didn't. I love CDE I feel I need to state this, over and over. according to the rules they didn't earn it, they just played under false pretences. is it horse-shit that it could happen? Yes, is it a horrible, horrible way of running a tourney, yes. Retroactivly changing the rules, is the worst thing you could possibly to do to keep integrity. And that is what they are doing now. People act as if the way CDE won was ever stated in the rules, and it wasn't. It was just the pay people believed would be the rules, but it was never part of the rules. and saying that Dignitas should have just thrown the game cause they followed the rules is bullshit, learn to play professionally.
It was the rules of every double elim LoL tourney, ever
It was the rules posted on the WCG website
It was the rules of the last WCG qualifier last year
It was the rules played used in WCG Canada played the same week
The players were never told of any changes to the rules
and THAT'S the conclusion you draw? Are you serious?
Playing professionally means playing with integrity. There is nothing professional about losing, wishing your opponents best of luck in the next round, then going back and playing a rematch anyway. No, they did not technically do anything wrong, but it's the same distinction as law and ethics. Just because you can get away with it doesn't make it right.
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You mean like they retroactively took away CDE's win?
Not seeing the difference.
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On November 09 2011 05:00 Two_DoWn wrote:Show nested quote +On November 09 2011 04:56 Hynda wrote:On November 09 2011 04:43 yamato77 wrote:On November 09 2011 04:37 Hynda wrote:On November 09 2011 04:29 yamato77 wrote:
"US gets 2 teams and everyone else only gets one, huehuehue." Yes it is. I don't see how you can get it to anything else. "We screwed this team over, so now we are going to screw you over to try to fix our relations with that team". I don't know if you've played sports on a competative level, but I have and if suddenly one team got a free ride (regardless of which of CDE and Dignitas you feel is getting the free ride) it would be an outrage. It's not really screwing anyone over unless you are a tried and true patriot. Also, as cited before, WCG has allowed disproportionate numbers of participants from the same country in other events before. The question shouldn't even be "Is this unfair to everyone else?" when the discussion is about what happened to CDE. Riot made the best decision they could to fix an awful blunder by WCG/Marcou. Obviously CDE earned their way though once in what they thought was the official way, and then Dignitas earned theirs in the "rematch". It's not really fair to send one while the other stays in the U.S. If anyone from another country honestly can look at this situation and see U.S. favoritism, they've lost their perspective. Perhaps it's an "advantage for the U.S." in that we have 2 teams, but honestly, I'm not rooting for my country, I'm rooting for CDE. I'm sure it's that way for a lot of people. That's the thing. They didn't. I love CDE I feel I need to state this, over and over. according to the rules they didn't earn it, they just played under false pretences. is it horse-shit that it could happen? Yes, is it a horrible, horrible way of running a tourney, yes. Retroactivly changing the rules, is the worst thing you could possibly to do to keep integrity. And that is what they are doing now. People act as if the way CDE won was ever stated in the rules, and it wasn't. It was just the pay people believed would be the rules, but it was never part of the rules. It was in the rules. The rules on the website (and I believe the rules distributed to players) stated that there was only a 1 game advantage. So according to the rules that were posted, (the same rules that Canada played and ended their tournament under) CDE was the champion. It was the retroactive "Oh we MEANT something different" that created the second bo3 that awarded Dignitas the victory. Please get your facts straight before spreading false information.
Whoopsie daisies horribad English slipping through. I ment stated on site. As in, a representative going up and saying "these are the rules". Which should happen at such a big event at every single match. The website rules are a joke, it's the kind of rulebook you would use when you and 5 friends lan together, and it's just horribadly run. I don't get how it's even possible that anyone would put money into such a trainwreck.
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The rules were very clear.
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EU get lots of teams for LOL WCG.. From the top of my head I can recall about 10.. but there may be far more.
And for the record I hate such decisions.. community influenced ones. They lost their qualifier but enuf of QQ makes them go to Busan :-P That is ridic. At least for me. And all this just because of whinning.
For me what's done is done.. and so as I've said that I can just wish good luck to all participants.
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BTW.. I'm happy for the players - let them have fun and lets elevate skill level of WCG finals a little.. not so much for this decision.
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On November 09 2011 05:08 Sandster wrote:Show nested quote +On November 09 2011 04:56 Hynda wrote:On November 09 2011 04:43 yamato77 wrote:On November 09 2011 04:37 Hynda wrote:On November 09 2011 04:29 yamato77 wrote:
"US gets 2 teams and everyone else only gets one, huehuehue." Yes it is. I don't see how you can get it to anything else. "We screwed this team over, so now we are going to screw you over to try to fix our relations with that team". I don't know if you've played sports on a competative level, but I have and if suddenly one team got a free ride (regardless of which of CDE and Dignitas you feel is getting the free ride) it would be an outrage. It's not really screwing anyone over unless you are a tried and true patriot. Also, as cited before, WCG has allowed disproportionate numbers of participants from the same country in other events before. The question shouldn't even be "Is this unfair to everyone else?" when the discussion is about what happened to CDE. Riot made the best decision they could to fix an awful blunder by WCG/Marcou. Obviously CDE earned their way though once in what they thought was the official way, and then Dignitas earned theirs in the "rematch". It's not really fair to send one while the other stays in the U.S. If anyone from another country honestly can look at this situation and see U.S. favoritism, they've lost their perspective. Perhaps it's an "advantage for the U.S." in that we have 2 teams, but honestly, I'm not rooting for my country, I'm rooting for CDE. I'm sure it's that way for a lot of people. That's the thing. They didn't. I love CDE I feel I need to state this, over and over. according to the rules they didn't earn it, they just played under false pretences. is it horse-shit that it could happen? Yes, is it a horrible, horrible way of running a tourney, yes. Retroactivly changing the rules, is the worst thing you could possibly to do to keep integrity. And that is what they are doing now. People act as if the way CDE won was ever stated in the rules, and it wasn't. It was just the pay people believed would be the rules, but it was never part of the rules. and saying that Dignitas should have just thrown the game cause they followed the rules is bullshit, learn to play professionally. It was the rules of every double elim LoL tourney, ever It was the rules posted on the WCG website It was the rules of the last WCG qualifier last year It was the rules played used in WCG Canada played the same week The players were never told of any changes to the rules and THAT'S the conclusion you draw? Are you serious? Playing professionally means playing with integrity. There is nothing professional about losing, wishing your opponents best of luck in the next round, then going back and playing a rematch anyway. No, they did not technically do anything wrong, but it's the same distinction as law and ethics. Just because you can get away with it doesn't make it right.
If someone the organisers tell you that you havn't lost cause that is not the rules they use, you never forfeight ever. Look when they asked Reginald, he wouldn't do it. Nobody on any of the big teams would throw that match. Because if the rules says you are still in, you're still in. Regardless if the rules are horribadly written and doesn't match the actual rules used on site. There is a reason that there is a rule that says you can change any rule you want within a tourney. It's horrible missinformation from the most ammaturish of tournaments I've ever seen.
the lack of balls from the organizers is so astounding it really pisses me off.
Either: CDE gets to go because that was what was set on the site and that was the only information given at the time to the players.
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Dignitas gets to go becuse those were the rules that was going to be used and it was just a information misstake from their side,but it was always intended to be that way.
You don't send both teams, that's so unprofessional it's insane, refusing to take reponsibility for your own actions at its finest.
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And I was curious because I personally am super excited for Foxy so I did some checking-
Wukong- first look: 4/14, released 7/26
Foxy- first look: 9/28, looks like release December/January.
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I want to play foxy. Is she on the public beta testing thing that Moon Bear posted earlier today?
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Looks like some no name team will be at providence like I was hoping. Good job MLG 
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TSM might actually have a chance of winning something now lol.
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lol sucks for MLG; pretty sure CLG not being there will at least take away a pretty significant portion of the viewers and the tournament as a whole will have less impact.
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On November 09 2011 05:08 Craton wrote:
You mean like they retroactively took away CDE's win?
Not seeing the difference.
If this was directed at me, they didn't take away CDE's win. We thought they did until just recently when they gave it back. Thus, the conversation we're now having in GD. They don't want to take the win away from either team. Fair but not fair.
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On November 09 2011 05:15 Hynda wrote:Show nested quote +On November 09 2011 05:08 Sandster wrote:On November 09 2011 04:56 Hynda wrote:On November 09 2011 04:43 yamato77 wrote:On November 09 2011 04:37 Hynda wrote:On November 09 2011 04:29 yamato77 wrote:
"US gets 2 teams and everyone else only gets one, huehuehue." Yes it is. I don't see how you can get it to anything else. "We screwed this team over, so now we are going to screw you over to try to fix our relations with that team". I don't know if you've played sports on a competative level, but I have and if suddenly one team got a free ride (regardless of which of CDE and Dignitas you feel is getting the free ride) it would be an outrage. It's not really screwing anyone over unless you are a tried and true patriot. Also, as cited before, WCG has allowed disproportionate numbers of participants from the same country in other events before. The question shouldn't even be "Is this unfair to everyone else?" when the discussion is about what happened to CDE. Riot made the best decision they could to fix an awful blunder by WCG/Marcou. Obviously CDE earned their way though once in what they thought was the official way, and then Dignitas earned theirs in the "rematch". It's not really fair to send one while the other stays in the U.S. If anyone from another country honestly can look at this situation and see U.S. favoritism, they've lost their perspective. Perhaps it's an "advantage for the U.S." in that we have 2 teams, but honestly, I'm not rooting for my country, I'm rooting for CDE. I'm sure it's that way for a lot of people. That's the thing. They didn't. I love CDE I feel I need to state this, over and over. according to the rules they didn't earn it, they just played under false pretences. is it horse-shit that it could happen? Yes, is it a horrible, horrible way of running a tourney, yes. Retroactivly changing the rules, is the worst thing you could possibly to do to keep integrity. And that is what they are doing now. People act as if the way CDE won was ever stated in the rules, and it wasn't. It was just the pay people believed would be the rules, but it was never part of the rules. and saying that Dignitas should have just thrown the game cause they followed the rules is bullshit, learn to play professionally. It was the rules of every double elim LoL tourney, ever It was the rules posted on the WCG website It was the rules of the last WCG qualifier last year It was the rules played used in WCG Canada played the same week The players were never told of any changes to the rules and THAT'S the conclusion you draw? Are you serious? Playing professionally means playing with integrity. There is nothing professional about losing, wishing your opponents best of luck in the next round, then going back and playing a rematch anyway. No, they did not technically do anything wrong, but it's the same distinction as law and ethics. Just because you can get away with it doesn't make it right. If someone the organisers tell you that you havn't lost cause that is not the rules they use, you never forfeight ever. Look when they asked Reginald, he wouldn't do it. Nobody on any of the big teams would throw that match. Because if the rules says you are still in, you're still in. Regardless if the rules are horribadly written and doesn't match the actual rules used on site. There is a reason that there is a rule that says you can change any rule you want within a tourney. It's horrible missinformation from the most ammaturish of tournaments I've ever seen. the lack of balls from the organizers is so astounding it really pisses me off. Either: CDE gets to go because that was what was set on the site and that was the only information given at the time to the players. or Dignitas gets to go becuse those were the rules that was going to be used and it was just a information misstake from their side,but it was always intended to be that way. You don't send both teams, that's so unprofessional it's insane, refusing to take reponsibility for your own actions at its finest.
Man, first you say it's okay for them to change the rules and let Dignitas play a second set, and then you say it's not okay to change the rules and send two teams.
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