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On November 09 2011 03:30 Kyhron wrote:Show nested quote +On November 09 2011 03:24 barbsq wrote:On November 09 2011 03:18 Takkara wrote:On November 09 2011 03:12 barbsq wrote:On November 09 2011 03:09 Takkara wrote:On November 09 2011 03:07 Doctorbeat wrote:On November 09 2011 02:56 rigwarl wrote:
Considering the size of LoL in the US, I don't think it's too unfair (although some ppl may definitely think so)> Europe's player base is larger (we even have 2 realms ya know, for the exact reason that Europe's player base is so much bigger than US). But I'm not hating, I'm happy for CDE, and they deserve to go to Korea after the shitty treatment by WCG. If this shit had happened with the EU qualifiers, people would have demanded the same. And I'm really happy for Dyrus, the guy was so happy when he though he was going to Korea. I don't think the size of the player base is the reason for 2 realms. Wouldn't it be more due to geographical constraints of where their servers are located and the ping between them? no it was literally due to the size, when it was 1 server (and even now sometimes i think), there were simply so many users and games that they spilled over to a new york server, which really fucked the ping. (iirc) There was also such a massive load on the login server that they simply had to split it in half to manage it edit: just a note this is just my interpretation/recollection of what happened, dont quote me on this ^^; Yeah, I'm no authority, and it appears though MoonBear has some information that confirms the size of EU relative to NA. I was just thinking that, logically, splitting EU due to server load doesn't say anything about the relative sizes of EU and NA. That's only true if the server banks in EU and NA were designed to support the same number of players. That would indicate that EU could not support enough and NA hasn't had issues. There's no public indication given that that is the case. So if NA was designed to house X and EU was designed to house X/2, just because EU overwhelmed its servers does not mean that EU > NA. You can see this clearly by the example. You can clearly explain a server overload without being able to ascertain the populations of the realms. But I could believe that LoL is bigger in EU than NA. I don't think MOBA/ARTS games are all that popular in NA relative to EU and probably much less popular than FPS in NA. what i recall is that they basically reached the capacity in EU that has ever been dealt with by a login server ever. period. and by a long shot too. They had thrown all the hardware they could at it and had tried to deal with it on the software side as well, but no1 had ever had as large of a 'realm' so to speak before. that suggests to me that there were more in eu than na @Kyhron, its actually the continent of NA (and some of SA i'm sure, brazil huehuehue) vs the continent of EU. not just US Except this all started with a US having 2 teams vs 1 for every other contry :3
lol, true, i have shit for short-term memory. plz forgive me 
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Wait, I haven't really been following this that much. I thought one of them got knocked out of the qualifiers or something? Wasn't there a technically illegal rematch? I need a fucking study guide to follow this drama.
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On November 09 2011 03:44 Requizen wrote:
Wait, I haven't really been following this that much. I thought one of them got knocked out of the qualifiers or something? Wasn't there a technically illegal rematch? I need a fucking study guide to follow this drama.
TLDR:
-CDE (pug team of CLG and TSM members) loses to dignitas in the upper bracket, and fights through the loser bracket to reach the finals.
-Under normal LoL extended series rules this would mean a bo3 finals, with the upper bracket winner (dignitas) up one game. This was what all the players thought.
-CDE wins two in a row, winning the match (and a trip to wcg korea).
-WCG decides after the matches are already played to change the rules, saying that even though the written rules state bo3 with 1 game advantage, they MEANT bo3 bo3 (first to win 2 sets of bo3s), with the upper bracket winner up a set. This means that the sets are now tied 1-1, and the teams need to play a third set.
-CDE loses the third set 1-2. Chaos ensues.
-Now it appears that riot and wcg will send both teams to korea instead of just one.
The drama comes from a combination of dignitas's poor sportsmanship regarding the situation, WCG's utter incompetence, and Riot's refusal to take blame or responsibility for the situation. It looks like they finally are addressing it, though.
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On November 09 2011 03:54 Sandster wrote:Show nested quote +On November 09 2011 03:44 Requizen wrote:
Wait, I haven't really been following this that much. I thought one of them got knocked out of the qualifiers or something? Wasn't there a technically illegal rematch? I need a fucking study guide to follow this drama. TLDR: -CDE (pug team of CLG and TSM members) loses to dignitas in the upper bracket, and fights through the loser bracket to reach the finals. -Under normal LoL extended series rules this would mean a bo3 finals, with the upper bracket winner (dignitas) up one game. This was what all the players thought. -CDE wins two in a row, winning the match (and a trip to wcg korea). -WCG decides after the matches are already played to change the rules, saying that even though the written rules state bo3 with 1 game advantage, they MEANT bo3 bo3 (first to win 2 sets of bo3s), with the upper bracket winner up a set. This means that the sets are now tied 1-1, and the teams need to play a third set. -CDE loses the third set 1-2. Chaos ensues. -Now it appears that riot and wcg will send both teams to korea instead of just one. The drama comes from a combination of dignitas's poor sportsmanship regarding the situation, WCG's utter incompetence, and Riot's refusal to take blame or responsibility for the situation. It looks like they finally are addressing it, though.
it's also good to note that the rules POSTED said bo3 with 1 game advantage, its not like they just *thought* its normal bo3 with 1 game advantage, it explicitly said it. But WCG changed it (without updating any of the posted rules on their sites) at the beginning of the season to two Bo3 because it was supposed to be a live Lan finals and not an online finals.
but man its fucking silly to have 2 teams representing usa kind of unfair, tee hee
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On November 09 2011 03:58 taLbuk wrote:Show nested quote +On November 09 2011 03:54 Sandster wrote:On November 09 2011 03:44 Requizen wrote:
Wait, I haven't really been following this that much. I thought one of them got knocked out of the qualifiers or something? Wasn't there a technically illegal rematch? I need a fucking study guide to follow this drama. TLDR: -CDE (pug team of CLG and TSM members) loses to dignitas in the upper bracket, and fights through the loser bracket to reach the finals. -Under normal LoL extended series rules this would mean a bo3 finals, with the upper bracket winner (dignitas) up one game. This was what all the players thought. -CDE wins two in a row, winning the match (and a trip to wcg korea). -WCG decides after the matches are already played to change the rules, saying that even though the written rules state bo3 with 1 game advantage, they MEANT bo3 bo3 (first to win 2 sets of bo3s), with the upper bracket winner up a set. This means that the sets are now tied 1-1, and the teams need to play a third set. -CDE loses the third set 1-2. Chaos ensues. -Now it appears that riot and wcg will send both teams to korea instead of just one. The drama comes from a combination of dignitas's poor sportsmanship regarding the situation, WCG's utter incompetence, and Riot's refusal to take blame or responsibility for the situation. It looks like they finally are addressing it, though. it's also good to note that the rules POSTED said bo3 with 1 game advantage, its not like they just *thought* its normal bo3 with 1 game advantage, it explicitly said it. But WCG changed it (without updating any of the posted rules on their sites) at the beginning of the season to two Bo3 because it was supposed to be a live Lan finals and not an online finals. but man its fucking silly to have 2 teams representing usa kind of unfair, tee hee
To be fair, stronger nations in wcg starcraft have more representation (Korea always sends 3 players), so it's not inconsistent with other events :D
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On November 09 2011 03:54 Sandster wrote:Show nested quote +On November 09 2011 03:44 Requizen wrote:
Wait, I haven't really been following this that much. I thought one of them got knocked out of the qualifiers or something? Wasn't there a technically illegal rematch? I need a fucking study guide to follow this drama. TLDR: -CDE (pug team of CLG and TSM members) loses to dignitas in the upper bracket, and fights through the loser bracket to reach the finals. -Under normal LoL extended series rules this would mean a bo3 finals, with the upper bracket winner (dignitas) up one game. This was what all the players thought. -CDE wins two in a row, winning the match (and a trip to wcg korea). -WCG decides after the matches are already played to change the rules, saying that even though the written rules state bo3 with 1 game advantage, they MEANT bo3 bo3 (first to win 2 sets of bo3s), with the upper bracket winner up a set. This means that the sets are now tied 1-1, and the teams need to play a third set. -CDE loses the third set 1-2. Chaos ensues. -Now it appears that riot and wcg will send both teams to korea instead of just one. The drama comes from a combination of dignitas's poor sportsmanship regarding the situation, WCG's utter incompetence, and Riot's refusal to take blame or responsibility for the situation. It looks like they finally are addressing it, though.
Sounds like Dignitas should have just admitted that they lost fair and square, if that's what everyone was expecting.
However, why is Riot to blame? It sounds like there was a fuckup in the tournament system, not the game itself. Were they running it or something?
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the decision makin from riots side is just hillariously bad. Instead of just screwing up the American side they now decide to screw everyone else over aswell. While I love CDE as much as everyone else, if I was on in any other team I would be pretty pissed atm.
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I think my favorite part of the drama was Pendragon saying, of RiotMarcou, "He did not accurately represent the facts of the situation."
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On November 09 2011 04:00 Requizen wrote:Show nested quote +On November 09 2011 03:54 Sandster wrote:On November 09 2011 03:44 Requizen wrote:
Wait, I haven't really been following this that much. I thought one of them got knocked out of the qualifiers or something? Wasn't there a technically illegal rematch? I need a fucking study guide to follow this drama. TLDR: -CDE (pug team of CLG and TSM members) loses to dignitas in the upper bracket, and fights through the loser bracket to reach the finals. -Under normal LoL extended series rules this would mean a bo3 finals, with the upper bracket winner (dignitas) up one game. This was what all the players thought. -CDE wins two in a row, winning the match (and a trip to wcg korea). -WCG decides after the matches are already played to change the rules, saying that even though the written rules state bo3 with 1 game advantage, they MEANT bo3 bo3 (first to win 2 sets of bo3s), with the upper bracket winner up a set. This means that the sets are now tied 1-1, and the teams need to play a third set. -CDE loses the third set 1-2. Chaos ensues. -Now it appears that riot and wcg will send both teams to korea instead of just one. The drama comes from a combination of dignitas's poor sportsmanship regarding the situation, WCG's utter incompetence, and Riot's refusal to take blame or responsibility for the situation. It looks like they finally are addressing it, though. Sounds like Dignitas should have just admitted that they lost fair and square, if that's what everyone was expecting. However, why is Riot to blame? It sounds like there was a fuckup in the tournament system, not the game itself. Were they running it or something?
Marcou intimated that he was a HUGE factor in the decision to run a rematch, and all of WCG's statements corroborated that it was a joint decision. It was only later when the shitstorm started that Riot tried to backstep from marcou.
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Hungary900 Posts
FYI, NA is more than twice the size than the whole European continent, and the US itself is almost as big as the EU continent.
On November 09 2011 04:00 Sandster wrote:
To be fair, stronger nations in wcg starcraft have more representation (Korea always sends 3 players), so it's not inconsistent with other events :D
You are implying that NA teams are better than EU teams.
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On November 09 2011 04:03 Seuss wrote:
I think my favorite part of the drama was Pendragon saying, of RiotMarcou, "He did not accurately represent the facts of the situation."
Marcou is a PR nightmare. I don't think he's particularly bad at setting up tournament specifics but really he has no idea how to carry himself in the public light. He's not very quick on his feet and asserts authority in the wrong places. I think he means well but I'm not sure how long his chain of unsuccessful triages will hold.
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On November 09 2011 03:34 barbsq wrote:Show nested quote +On November 09 2011 03:30 Kyhron wrote:On November 09 2011 03:24 barbsq wrote:On November 09 2011 03:18 Takkara wrote:On November 09 2011 03:12 barbsq wrote:On November 09 2011 03:09 Takkara wrote:On November 09 2011 03:07 Doctorbeat wrote:On November 09 2011 02:56 rigwarl wrote:
Considering the size of LoL in the US, I don't think it's too unfair (although some ppl may definitely think so)> Europe's player base is larger (we even have 2 realms ya know, for the exact reason that Europe's player base is so much bigger than US). But I'm not hating, I'm happy for CDE, and they deserve to go to Korea after the shitty treatment by WCG. If this shit had happened with the EU qualifiers, people would have demanded the same. And I'm really happy for Dyrus, the guy was so happy when he though he was going to Korea. I don't think the size of the player base is the reason for 2 realms. Wouldn't it be more due to geographical constraints of where their servers are located and the ping between them? no it was literally due to the size, when it was 1 server (and even now sometimes i think), there were simply so many users and games that they spilled over to a new york server, which really fucked the ping. (iirc) There was also such a massive load on the login server that they simply had to split it in half to manage it edit: just a note this is just my interpretation/recollection of what happened, dont quote me on this ^^; Yeah, I'm no authority, and it appears though MoonBear has some information that confirms the size of EU relative to NA. I was just thinking that, logically, splitting EU due to server load doesn't say anything about the relative sizes of EU and NA. That's only true if the server banks in EU and NA were designed to support the same number of players. That would indicate that EU could not support enough and NA hasn't had issues. There's no public indication given that that is the case. So if NA was designed to house X and EU was designed to house X/2, just because EU overwhelmed its servers does not mean that EU > NA. You can see this clearly by the example. You can clearly explain a server overload without being able to ascertain the populations of the realms. But I could believe that LoL is bigger in EU than NA. I don't think MOBA/ARTS games are all that popular in NA relative to EU and probably much less popular than FPS in NA. what i recall is that they basically reached the capacity in EU that has ever been dealt with by a login server ever. period. and by a long shot too. They had thrown all the hardware they could at it and had tried to deal with it on the software side as well, but no1 had ever had as large of a 'realm' so to speak before. that suggests to me that there were more in eu than na @Kyhron, its actually the continent of NA (and some of SA i'm sure, brazil huehuehue) vs the continent of EU. not just US Except this all started with a US having 2 teams vs 1 for every other contry :3 lol, true, i have shit for short-term memory. plz forgive me
It's fine. My 2 cents are probably trivial anyways
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How did we never notice that Phreak looks just like Kris Humphries (Kim Kardashian's husband till last week)?
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On November 09 2011 04:00 Sandster wrote:Show nested quote +On November 09 2011 03:58 taLbuk wrote:On November 09 2011 03:54 Sandster wrote:On November 09 2011 03:44 Requizen wrote:
Wait, I haven't really been following this that much. I thought one of them got knocked out of the qualifiers or something? Wasn't there a technically illegal rematch? I need a fucking study guide to follow this drama. TLDR: -CDE (pug team of CLG and TSM members) loses to dignitas in the upper bracket, and fights through the loser bracket to reach the finals. -Under normal LoL extended series rules this would mean a bo3 finals, with the upper bracket winner (dignitas) up one game. This was what all the players thought. -CDE wins two in a row, winning the match (and a trip to wcg korea). -WCG decides after the matches are already played to change the rules, saying that even though the written rules state bo3 with 1 game advantage, they MEANT bo3 bo3 (first to win 2 sets of bo3s), with the upper bracket winner up a set. This means that the sets are now tied 1-1, and the teams need to play a third set. -CDE loses the third set 1-2. Chaos ensues. -Now it appears that riot and wcg will send both teams to korea instead of just one. The drama comes from a combination of dignitas's poor sportsmanship regarding the situation, WCG's utter incompetence, and Riot's refusal to take blame or responsibility for the situation. It looks like they finally are addressing it, though. it's also good to note that the rules POSTED said bo3 with 1 game advantage, its not like they just *thought* its normal bo3 with 1 game advantage, it explicitly said it. But WCG changed it (without updating any of the posted rules on their sites) at the beginning of the season to two Bo3 because it was supposed to be a live Lan finals and not an online finals. but man its fucking silly to have 2 teams representing usa kind of unfair, tee hee To be fair, stronger nations in wcg starcraft have more representation (Korea always sends 3 players), so it's not inconsistent with other events :D
Please remind me of the American/European results at IEM New York :D
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Is the whole of Europe represented by 1 team or what?
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Ok "stronger" was a bad choice, I don't know what the criteria for it is. But USA has sent 3-4 players to WCG, China 3, Korea 3, Germany 2 etc, and smaller countries usually 1-2 spots, even though America doesn't really have that many strong brood war players.
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lol so we're posting our favorite moment of the WCG debacle one last time?
my favorite was Regi's vlog. I liked how he cyber-stalked the WCG rep's Linkedin profile and found out he was a contractor. That research led to Regi's belief that the WCG rep is a newb and should have never been involved in the decision making process.
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On November 09 2011 04:12 Juicyfruit wrote:
Is the whole of Europe represented by 1 team or what?
Of course. Europe is a single country after all.
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On November 09 2011 04:09 mr_tolkien wrote:Show nested quote +On November 09 2011 04:00 Sandster wrote:On November 09 2011 03:58 taLbuk wrote:On November 09 2011 03:54 Sandster wrote:On November 09 2011 03:44 Requizen wrote:
Wait, I haven't really been following this that much. I thought one of them got knocked out of the qualifiers or something? Wasn't there a technically illegal rematch? I need a fucking study guide to follow this drama. TLDR: -CDE (pug team of CLG and TSM members) loses to dignitas in the upper bracket, and fights through the loser bracket to reach the finals. -Under normal LoL extended series rules this would mean a bo3 finals, with the upper bracket winner (dignitas) up one game. This was what all the players thought. -CDE wins two in a row, winning the match (and a trip to wcg korea). -WCG decides after the matches are already played to change the rules, saying that even though the written rules state bo3 with 1 game advantage, they MEANT bo3 bo3 (first to win 2 sets of bo3s), with the upper bracket winner up a set. This means that the sets are now tied 1-1, and the teams need to play a third set. -CDE loses the third set 1-2. Chaos ensues. -Now it appears that riot and wcg will send both teams to korea instead of just one. The drama comes from a combination of dignitas's poor sportsmanship regarding the situation, WCG's utter incompetence, and Riot's refusal to take blame or responsibility for the situation. It looks like they finally are addressing it, though. it's also good to note that the rules POSTED said bo3 with 1 game advantage, its not like they just *thought* its normal bo3 with 1 game advantage, it explicitly said it. But WCG changed it (without updating any of the posted rules on their sites) at the beginning of the season to two Bo3 because it was supposed to be a live Lan finals and not an online finals. but man its fucking silly to have 2 teams representing usa kind of unfair, tee hee To be fair, stronger nations in wcg starcraft have more representation (Korea always sends 3 players), so it's not inconsistent with other events :D Please remind me of the American/European results at IEM New York :D
Please remind me of the American/European results at IEM China
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