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[Patch 1.0.0.127: Graves] General Discussion - Page 18

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Ryuu314
Profile Joined October 2009
United States12679 Posts
October 19 2011 23:01 GMT
#341
On October 20 2011 07:42 Attakijing wrote:
Does anyone think graves will be a really good bot lane ganker? if your bot lane's support is taric you just get him to stun one of them and then you put them in the smokescreen and they cant do anything for the entire time you gank their partner. phreak did this in the spotlight. I dont know if its a good idea or not...

That'd work in solo q but probably not in more coordinated teams. With coordination and vent and stuff it's pretty easy to just tell the other guy to back out or w/e. In solo q it's much harder.
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
October 19 2011 23:02 GMT
#342
Wow that Graves AS steroid.
Almost as good as Tristana's but with a friggin' dash, and lower cooldown.
Quickdraw: 14 sec cd at max level, 4s duration = 10s downtime.
Rapid fire: 20s cd at max level, 7s duration = 13s downtime.

WTF.

Obviously Trist has her advantages, but I don't understand the need to load up abilities with so many extra abilities compared with earlier champions....power creep ftw.
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overt
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States9006 Posts
October 19 2011 23:03 GMT
#343
On October 20 2011 07:34 dnastyx wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 20 2011 07:04 overt wrote:
On October 20 2011 05:38 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:
lol, NESL administration is a joke. i've always been of the school of thought that top players are bound to be whiny, egotistical, and looking out for number one, and that it's any administrator's job to look past that nonsense when it appears and make sure the rules of their tournament are adhered to. these NESL clowns can't run tournaments, and seem more concerned with not letting any player feel they're in the right than actually addressing any problems


IIRC, both of the admins involved in that were dismissed by NESL.


I always wonder how these shady as hell admins and whatnot get hired in the first place.


Well, those two NESL admins in particular weren't paid. It was a volunteer service. I don't know how much of a screening process it was.

As for champs, I've already said it but if Riot really needs to continue releasing champions to pay the bills then I understand that but two weeks apart is just too much.
Ryuu314
Profile Joined October 2009
United States12679 Posts
October 19 2011 23:08 GMT
#344
On October 20 2011 08:02 WaveofShadow wrote:
Wow that Graves AS steroid.
Almost as good as Tristana's but with a friggin' dash, and lower cooldown.
Quickdraw: 14 sec cd at max level, 4s duration = 10s downtime.
Rapid fire: 20s cd at max level, 7s duration = 13s downtime.

WTF.

Obviously Trist has her advantages, but I don't understand the need to load up abilities with so many extra abilities compared with earlier champions....power creep ftw.

Trist needs buffs :[

AD ratio on at least her ulti and lower CD for her Q plz
rigwarl
Profile Joined January 2011
United States540 Posts
October 19 2011 23:10 GMT
#345
On October 20 2011 00:53 r.Evo wrote:


Here's the story from PhantomLords side.


Edit: Listening to it now. lawl. "I DID SO MUCH GOOD MANAGEMENT WORK, I DESERVE TO PLAY CUZ IT IS MY DREAM AFTER ALL!!!"

Edit #2: However, the whole last minute drama is pretty fucking gay. Way to be "professional" from everyone involved.


Lmfao PhantomLord says "I played flawlessly" at one point, and immediately after says he should have gotten first blood but didn't.
FakeSteve[TPR]
Profile Blog Joined July 2003
Valhalla18444 Posts
October 19 2011 23:11 GMT
#346
On October 20 2011 07:04 overt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 20 2011 05:38 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:
lol, NESL administration is a joke. i've always been of the school of thought that top players are bound to be whiny, egotistical, and looking out for number one, and that it's any administrator's job to look past that nonsense when it appears and make sure the rules of their tournament are adhered to. these NESL clowns can't run tournaments, and seem more concerned with not letting any player feel they're in the right than actually addressing any problems


IIRC, both of the admins involved in that were dismissed by NESL.


faith restored in a small way, then.
Moderatormy tatsu loops r fuckin nice
Two_DoWn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States13684 Posts
October 19 2011 23:19 GMT
#347
So I had been kind of down about my season 2 elo, then I saw Jatt is 36-32 with 1550 elo.
"What is the air speed velocity of an unladen courier?" "Dire or Radiant?"
Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
October 19 2011 23:32 GMT
#348
On October 20 2011 07:53 FuzzyLord wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 20 2011 07:32 Lancer723 wrote:
On October 20 2011 07:22 FuzzyLord wrote:


1) They aren't going to stop making champions because people like money. Doesn't matter what they say, their gonna keep on making champions because champions bring in money. Its just like Halo. It was supposed to end with Reach, and they SAID they wouldn't make Halo 4, but lo and behold, Halo 4 is going to be released.



Not to step on your toes or anything, but it was Bungie that said they weren't going to make Halo 4, and they didn't. Microsoft formed it's own game studio (343 Industries I believe) to make the next halo games.

ON TOPIC:

I don't have an issue with the champ releases so long as they keep reducing the price of old champs so there's still new stuff for me to play. Riot actually does a pretty fair job of balancing the game so I'm not gonna argue with their business model.



I thought 343 Industries were the people in Bungie that still wished to continue the Halo series, and broke off. Thats what i heard at least

Nah, Bungie is their own company, 343 is the "Halo branch" of Microsoft.
It's your boy Guzma!
Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
October 19 2011 23:33 GMT
#349
On October 20 2011 08:02 WaveofShadow wrote:
Wow that Graves AS steroid.
Almost as good as Tristana's but with a friggin' dash, and lower cooldown.
Quickdraw: 14 sec cd at max level, 4s duration = 10s downtime.
Rapid fire: 20s cd at max level, 7s duration = 13s downtime.

WTF.

Obviously Trist has her advantages, but I don't understand the need to load up abilities with so many extra abilities compared with earlier champions....power creep ftw.

Plus Quickshot lowers CD on autos
It's your boy Guzma!
57 Corvette
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Canada5941 Posts
October 19 2011 23:36 GMT
#350
Lol, bought graves and played him in a normal.

Built Vamp Sceptre > Zerkers (had to go b didn't have enough for BF) BT > IE > Trinity > Tiamat*2

Hilarity in teamfights.
Survival is winning, everything else is bullshit.
freelander
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
Hungary4707 Posts
October 19 2011 23:42 GMT
#351
does his ult proc"s on hit effects? if yes then holy shit i will do the same and stack tiamats
And all is illuminated.
HazMat
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States17077 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-19 23:50:46
October 19 2011 23:50 GMT
#352
On October 20 2011 08:19 Two_DoWn wrote:
So I had been kind of down about my season 2 elo, then I saw Jatt is 36-32 with 1550 elo.

Look at his arranged 5s.
Jatt has always been known not to care about his Elo.
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r.Evo
Profile Joined August 2006
Germany14080 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-20 00:00:17
October 19 2011 23:59 GMT
#353
On October 20 2011 08:02 WaveofShadow wrote:
Wow that Graves AS steroid.
Almost as good as Tristana's but with a friggin' dash, and lower cooldown.
Quickdraw: 14 sec cd at max level, 4s duration = 10s downtime.
Rapid fire: 20s cd at max level, 7s duration = 13s downtime.

WTF.

Obviously Trist has her advantages, but I don't understand the need to load up abilities with so many extra abilities compared with earlier champions....power creep ftw.


Both 14s and 20s are CDs which you can only use once per fight. The CDR might be the real problem.

What Trist needs imo is to get her R in line with similar spells aka a short stun if it's done into a wall - however I think she's highly underrated atm and can definitly keep up with those Caits & Kogs.


(Or make E toggle, would be not OP at all. :>>)
"We don't make mistakes here, we call it happy little accidents." ~Bob Ross
Blitzkrieg0
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States13132 Posts
October 20 2011 00:01 GMT
#354
On October 20 2011 08:59 r.Evo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 20 2011 08:02 WaveofShadow wrote:
Wow that Graves AS steroid.
Almost as good as Tristana's but with a friggin' dash, and lower cooldown.
Quickdraw: 14 sec cd at max level, 4s duration = 10s downtime.
Rapid fire: 20s cd at max level, 7s duration = 13s downtime.

WTF.

Obviously Trist has her advantages, but I don't understand the need to load up abilities with so many extra abilities compared with earlier champions....power creep ftw.


Both 14s and 20s are CDs which you can only use once per fight. The CDR might be the real problem.

What Trist needs imo is to get her R in line with similar spells aka a short stun if it's done into a wall - however I think she's highly underrated atm and can definitly keep up with those Caits & Kogs.


(Or make E toggle, would be not OP at all. :>>)


I don't think Riot has the UI to have an ability with an active and a toggle though. I think Trist played perfectly fine at IEM...At least God of Trist Candypanda seemed to have no problems XD

I do feel like giving her R an ad ratio makes it too good though.
I'll always be your shadow and veil your eyes from states of ain soph aur.
overt
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States9006 Posts
October 20 2011 00:04 GMT
#355
Trist is perfectly fine. The problem with Tristana is that Kog'maw exists. He does what she does except he has better range and more damage at the cost of an escape.
Skithiryx
Profile Joined August 2010
Australia648 Posts
October 20 2011 00:04 GMT
#356
On October 20 2011 07:30 RogerX wrote:
I think what they should do is give more time with champion releases, not like "oh, we released a new champion but we're gonna put up a sneak preview and release another one in two or one week time" I think what they should do is release a champion perhaps every two months. Give the champions a much more unique style of play because they have the time to hopefully plan and think something creative out. I think by doing this, the players have a much more suspense for a new champion, therefore making it more likely that they will buy the champion+skins. (I also think skins are needing more time with creativity)

However there are obvious flaws when transitioning into the state of releasing champions:
1) Fans will probably be in an outrage
2) Perhaps it will create more of a reduce in income not an increase. I dunno man, maybe they should do a survey or something to see the ratio on who would be in favour of the idea and who wouldn't


Their is actually quite a few different teams working on different champs, as it is they spend about 2 months working on a champ, so if they cut back to one every two months they'd have to theoretically fire 2-3 teams.
r.Evo
Profile Joined August 2006
Germany14080 Posts
October 20 2011 00:09 GMT
#357
Trying it once more since everything else has failed:

If you currently look at the stream thread ( http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=259585 ) not a single one of the "live/not live" links works correctly for own3d. I can't reach the person who originally made the script. (apparently, this guy: http://blog.bleap.net/ )

Can anyone here either help me contact that guy or provide a script that can check whether a stream is live or not and display it in an image that updates automatically?



That feature is so damn important for stream threads & I'm pretty sure none of the own3d streams on TL get clicked at because of that. So, if anyone can help out those streamers it would be awesome. =)
"We don't make mistakes here, we call it happy little accidents." ~Bob Ross
57 Corvette
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Canada5941 Posts
October 20 2011 00:14 GMT
#358
On October 20 2011 08:42 freelander wrote:
does his ult proc"s on hit effects? if yes then holy shit i will do the same and stack tiamats

Hell no, but auto attacks critting for 1k and splashing 700 damage is nothing to laugh at.
Survival is winning, everything else is bullshit.
Blitzkrieg0
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States13132 Posts
October 20 2011 00:37 GMT
#359
On October 20 2011 09:14 57 Corvette wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 20 2011 08:42 freelander wrote:
does his ult proc"s on hit effects? if yes then holy shit i will do the same and stack tiamats

Hell no, but auto attacks critting for 1k and splashing 700 damage is nothing to laugh at.


It is when the splash radius is standing right next to that person
I'll always be your shadow and veil your eyes from states of ain soph aur.
Craton
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States17274 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-20 00:50:19
October 20 2011 00:49 GMT
#360
I'm busy tonight and some of tomorrow, but I can probably help you after that, Evo. The API request itself is working fine, so the issue is on Bleap's end. I dunno if own3d changed their return parameters since someone wrote it, but basically you get this from the request.


<own3dReply>
<liveEvent>
<isLive>true</isLive>
<liveViewers>8</liveViewers>
<liveDuration>5</liveDuration>
</liveEvent>
</own3dReply>
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