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Jerubaal
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States7684 Posts
October 19 2011 21:06 GMT
#321
On October 20 2011 05:58 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:
oh wow i have to make a very tough decision that will affect us all

+ Show Spoiler +
officer caitlyn or infiltrator irelia??


I think your man-card might be at stake here.
I'm not stupid, a marauder just shot my brain.
FakeSteve[TPR]
Profile Blog Joined July 2003
Valhalla18444 Posts
October 19 2011 21:08 GMT
#322
^ i have a caitlyn skin already
Moderatormy tatsu loops r fuckin nice
FakeSteve[TPR]
Profile Blog Joined July 2003
Valhalla18444 Posts
October 19 2011 21:10 GMT
#323
On October 20 2011 06:04 Parnage wrote:
Officer Caitlyn doesn't have a kicking stache. I think you know who to pick.


i don't wanna waste RP on a skin for a champ i know i'll never play. blitzcrank is awesome, and so is that skin, but i just can't
Moderatormy tatsu loops r fuckin nice
Shiv.
Profile Joined January 2011
3534 Posts
October 19 2011 21:12 GMT
#324
On October 20 2011 06:05 MoonBear wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 20 2011 06:00 Shiv. wrote:
On October 20 2011 05:57 MoonBear wrote:
On October 20 2011 05:42 Shiragaku wrote:
On October 20 2011 05:37 JackDino wrote:
On October 20 2011 05:24 Sabin010 wrote:
Blitz isn't good as support only because he needs some farm.

Blitz isn't good as support because he absolutely does nothing. He can knockup someone to save someone but he puts himself @ great risk doing so, and hiding behind creeps is easy.

Speaking about that, is that part of the reason we do not see Doubelift play Blitz anymore?

I love playing Blitz, but the problem is, what lane can he go in? Top lane is full of bruisers with sustain of which Blitz has none and early on he doesn't have the damage output to just fight head-on. Mid lane is AP casters who can sit back and nuke him. Bot lane has ranged AD and range > melee. Maybe with old Sorara it was do-able but now you'll probably have to run a double stun comp to get away with it. (Hooking to initiate is generally bad. Hook is best when used to prevent someone from running away after being initiated on.) Also, I dislike Support Blitz. Blitz does really well with farm. Sure, you have some CC even if you have no farm, but then so does Taric and he has a heal+aura which helps you in lane.

Am interested in jungle Blitz. Maybe when I have time I stalk Snoopeh and figure out how it works.

I really think Vayne solo top, AP mid, Ali support, Blitz tanky DPS could work. Just gotta adapt. Maybe I'm a bit too optimistic, but with the right jungler/AP I think it could be rather powerful.

Ali+Blitz bot. Mmm. But they can just ward the brush and play safe and cs. Also, if they counter pick Janna, as soon as you stun onto them, Janna should instant-cast-no-charge Tornado which counteracts the stun time. Then again, solo queue. Could work duo-queue? Hm. Would love an excuse to play my Blitz. ^^

Show nested quote +
On October 20 2011 05:58 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:
oh wow i have to make a very tough decision that will affect us all

+ Show Spoiler +
officer caitlyn or infiltrator irelia??

+ Show Spoiler +
Personally I prefer other skins for Cait and Irelia. But if I had to choose, then Irelia since her skin has more class.


as this is highly unusual, I doubt they would specifically counterpick a lane that is as unlikely as Ali/Blitz bot. And I doubt they can really play it safe to an extent where they are actually SAFE. Maybe I have watched Dyrus and ReginaId trolling a bit too often, but I cannot wreap my head around how they are possibly ever supposed to play safe against a Flash-Headbutt-Pulverize-Power-Fist-Rocket-Grab-combo. I don't know, some testing would need to be done, but I think if you manage to start agression at level 2 (which should easily be done) and snowball your advantage from that, it would be insanely hard to lose that lane.
currently rooting for myself.
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
October 19 2011 21:20 GMT
#325
I know I'm bad, and that my AD carry was doing badly (seriouly, trying to fight Ezreal + Q passive ready Sona head-on and repeatedly as Cait?) but Soraka seems so dull... that laning phase was really boring, even with Cait trying to be aggressive I myself felt so passive, healbot and whatnot.
The fact that they refused to surrender a lost game for 25 minutes mustn't have helped my perception of her role later, though.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
Flakes
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States3125 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-19 21:21:25
October 19 2011 21:21 GMT
#326
On October 20 2011 06:12 Shiv. wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 20 2011 06:05 MoonBear wrote:
On October 20 2011 06:00 Shiv. wrote:
On October 20 2011 05:57 MoonBear wrote:
On October 20 2011 05:42 Shiragaku wrote:
On October 20 2011 05:37 JackDino wrote:
On October 20 2011 05:24 Sabin010 wrote:
Blitz isn't good as support only because he needs some farm.

Blitz isn't good as support because he absolutely does nothing. He can knockup someone to save someone but he puts himself @ great risk doing so, and hiding behind creeps is easy.

Speaking about that, is that part of the reason we do not see Doubelift play Blitz anymore?

I love playing Blitz, but the problem is, what lane can he go in? Top lane is full of bruisers with sustain of which Blitz has none and early on he doesn't have the damage output to just fight head-on. Mid lane is AP casters who can sit back and nuke him. Bot lane has ranged AD and range > melee. Maybe with old Sorara it was do-able but now you'll probably have to run a double stun comp to get away with it. (Hooking to initiate is generally bad. Hook is best when used to prevent someone from running away after being initiated on.) Also, I dislike Support Blitz. Blitz does really well with farm. Sure, you have some CC even if you have no farm, but then so does Taric and he has a heal+aura which helps you in lane.

Am interested in jungle Blitz. Maybe when I have time I stalk Snoopeh and figure out how it works.

I really think Vayne solo top, AP mid, Ali support, Blitz tanky DPS could work. Just gotta adapt. Maybe I'm a bit too optimistic, but with the right jungler/AP I think it could be rather powerful.

Ali+Blitz bot. Mmm. But they can just ward the brush and play safe and cs. Also, if they counter pick Janna, as soon as you stun onto them, Janna should instant-cast-no-charge Tornado which counteracts the stun time. Then again, solo queue. Could work duo-queue? Hm. Would love an excuse to play my Blitz. ^^

On October 20 2011 05:58 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:
oh wow i have to make a very tough decision that will affect us all

+ Show Spoiler +
officer caitlyn or infiltrator irelia??

+ Show Spoiler +
Personally I prefer other skins for Cait and Irelia. But if I had to choose, then Irelia since her skin has more class.


as this is highly unusual, I doubt they would specifically counterpick a lane that is as unlikely as Ali/Blitz bot. And I doubt they can really play it safe to an extent where they are actually SAFE. Maybe I have watched Dyrus and ReginaId trolling a bit too often, but I cannot wreap my head around how they are possibly ever supposed to play safe against a Flash-Headbutt-Pulverize-Power-Fist-Rocket-Grab-combo. I don't know, some testing would need to be done, but I think if you manage to start agression at level 2 (which should easily be done) and snowball your advantage from that, it would be insanely hard to lose that lane.

Support morgana could counter it, focusing on black shield + cdr. Otherwise, a carry bot with mediocre farm + a conventional support may still be better mid/late-game than a blitz+ali with a few kills.

The blitz+ali team would be best served running a ranged AD solo such as ez, urgot, corki, or cait to flesh out their team, and not everyone knows their AD solo matchups that well
RogerX
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
New Zealand3180 Posts
October 19 2011 21:34 GMT
#327
I'm probably gonna buy the AP harroween runes (Quints) when they come out. 4.56 AP per runes is pretty awesome.
Stick it up. take it up. step aside and see the world
Shiv.
Profile Joined January 2011
3534 Posts
October 19 2011 21:37 GMT
#328
On October 20 2011 06:21 Flakes wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 20 2011 06:12 Shiv. wrote:
On October 20 2011 06:05 MoonBear wrote:
On October 20 2011 06:00 Shiv. wrote:
On October 20 2011 05:57 MoonBear wrote:
On October 20 2011 05:42 Shiragaku wrote:
On October 20 2011 05:37 JackDino wrote:
On October 20 2011 05:24 Sabin010 wrote:
Blitz isn't good as support only because he needs some farm.

Blitz isn't good as support because he absolutely does nothing. He can knockup someone to save someone but he puts himself @ great risk doing so, and hiding behind creeps is easy.

Speaking about that, is that part of the reason we do not see Doubelift play Blitz anymore?

I love playing Blitz, but the problem is, what lane can he go in? Top lane is full of bruisers with sustain of which Blitz has none and early on he doesn't have the damage output to just fight head-on. Mid lane is AP casters who can sit back and nuke him. Bot lane has ranged AD and range > melee. Maybe with old Sorara it was do-able but now you'll probably have to run a double stun comp to get away with it. (Hooking to initiate is generally bad. Hook is best when used to prevent someone from running away after being initiated on.) Also, I dislike Support Blitz. Blitz does really well with farm. Sure, you have some CC even if you have no farm, but then so does Taric and he has a heal+aura which helps you in lane.

Am interested in jungle Blitz. Maybe when I have time I stalk Snoopeh and figure out how it works.

I really think Vayne solo top, AP mid, Ali support, Blitz tanky DPS could work. Just gotta adapt. Maybe I'm a bit too optimistic, but with the right jungler/AP I think it could be rather powerful.

Ali+Blitz bot. Mmm. But they can just ward the brush and play safe and cs. Also, if they counter pick Janna, as soon as you stun onto them, Janna should instant-cast-no-charge Tornado which counteracts the stun time. Then again, solo queue. Could work duo-queue? Hm. Would love an excuse to play my Blitz. ^^

On October 20 2011 05:58 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:
oh wow i have to make a very tough decision that will affect us all

+ Show Spoiler +
officer caitlyn or infiltrator irelia??

+ Show Spoiler +
Personally I prefer other skins for Cait and Irelia. But if I had to choose, then Irelia since her skin has more class.


as this is highly unusual, I doubt they would specifically counterpick a lane that is as unlikely as Ali/Blitz bot. And I doubt they can really play it safe to an extent where they are actually SAFE. Maybe I have watched Dyrus and ReginaId trolling a bit too often, but I cannot wreap my head around how they are possibly ever supposed to play safe against a Flash-Headbutt-Pulverize-Power-Fist-Rocket-Grab-combo. I don't know, some testing would need to be done, but I think if you manage to start agression at level 2 (which should easily be done) and snowball your advantage from that, it would be insanely hard to lose that lane.

Support morgana could counter it, focusing on black shield + cdr. Otherwise, a carry bot with mediocre farm + a conventional support may still be better mid/late-game than a blitz+ali with a few kills.

The blitz+ali team would be best served running a ranged AD solo such as ez, urgot, corki, or cait to flesh out their team, and not everyone knows their AD solo matchups that well

Some valid points right there.
Things to consider:
- I doubt this is good in competetive play, but I was assuming MoonBear was just looking for a viable option to play Blitz. This being said, it would probably be played in solo Q with a duo, so counterpicking a support Morgana seems very unlikely.
- A reason being is you'd still pick a ranged carry (preferably Vayne or Corki I guess) to solo top. Combine it with, say, Udyr as a jungler and I bet the enemy team will be very confused where Blitz is actually gonna be played.
- You'd have a ranged carry freefarming top, likely dominating his lane. Ideally, you'd have a superbly farmed ranged carry with a nicely fed tanky DPS Blitz.

But yeah, as said, I think your points are quite valid. I was just thinking of a way to play BC for MoonBear, and I think the setup I came up with COULD work. Obviously would need tons of testing/adjusting.
currently rooting for myself.
AwayFromLife
Profile Joined August 2011
United States441 Posts
October 19 2011 21:50 GMT
#329
None of my friends play ap carry QQ. Who should I buy to make up for this inconsistency? I'm thinking Kennen, Orianna, or Fiddle.
gtrsrs
Profile Joined June 2010
United States9109 Posts
October 19 2011 21:56 GMT
#330
Blitz is a niche 5th pick that excels when several conditions are already met

The opponents ad carry is not vayne or ez, or maybe graves now
The opponents support is not janna
The opposing top laner won't crush your ad ranged top laner (ie gp v cait favors cait)
You already secured garen or equally powerful top lanai with high damage and cc (which you'll actually be taking bot)
You have a magic dps jungler ala ww or amumu

In these circumstances blitz is a great fifth pick
i play ... hearthstone =\^.^/= Winterfox
overt
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States9006 Posts
October 19 2011 22:04 GMT
#331
On October 20 2011 05:38 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:
lol, NESL administration is a joke. i've always been of the school of thought that top players are bound to be whiny, egotistical, and looking out for number one, and that it's any administrator's job to look past that nonsense when it appears and make sure the rules of their tournament are adhered to. these NESL clowns can't run tournaments, and seem more concerned with not letting any player feel they're in the right than actually addressing any problems


IIRC, both of the admins involved in that were dismissed by NESL.
Zdrastochye
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Ivory Coast6262 Posts
October 19 2011 22:05 GMT
#332
On October 20 2011 06:50 AwayFromLife wrote:
None of my friends play ap carry QQ. Who should I buy to make up for this inconsistency? I'm thinking Kennen, Orianna, or Fiddle.


Grag
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FuzzyLord
Profile Joined September 2010
253 Posts
October 19 2011 22:22 GMT
#333
On October 19 2011 11:22 barbsq wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 19 2011 10:50 duBstar wrote:
On October 19 2011 10:34 overt wrote:
On October 19 2011 10:28 tyCe wrote:
On October 19 2011 10:10 overt wrote:
On October 19 2011 10:08 KaoReal wrote:
inb4 Skarner is silly-OP
I'm for sure going to give him a thorough revisit after this. The changes probably don't mean much on Dominion, but these changes are huge for jungling.


He wasn't like, horrible prior to this huge buff. There were just better choices than him. I dunno why they wanted to give him such a huge buff as opposed to like, Leona or one of the other recent champs that isn't op fotm.

Well Skarner was a bit underpowered IMO, but the problem is that they gave him a huge buff. He's pretty much an AP udyr with a suppression ult now. Leona can do with a bit of a buff too though. She feels so clunky and slow despite her gap closer and her ult is pretty meh.


I'd prefer option C. Riot quits making new champs/only releases a new champ every month and a half or so.


That would be nice, however Riot does in fact make money by keeping this release-champ-every-2-weeksish business model.


i dont get why ppl whine about this all the time. they have said a number of times they have a set # of champions they want to release, then they're going to stop. somehow ppl get the impression that they will keep releasing champs forever, thereby making the game impossible to balance. tbh, i think they're doing a pretty decent job as it is, esp if you compare it to a lot of other multiplayer games

1) They aren't going to stop making champions because people like money. Doesn't matter what they say, their gonna keep on making champions because champions bring in money. Its just like Halo. It was supposed to end with Reach, and they SAID they wouldn't make Halo 4, but lo and behold, Halo 4 is going to be released.

2) Even if they do have a set number of champions, releasing them every other week will just burn out the amount of time people will play the game. No new releases --> no new mechanics/gameplay ---> boredom.

3) Releasing a champion every other week never lets the actual game to accept the new character, making balancing hard as balls to do. You'll have a hectic amount of imbalances for a really long period of time.
Ryuu314
Profile Joined October 2009
United States12679 Posts
October 19 2011 22:28 GMT
#334
I really don't have an issue with Riot's constant champ release. LoL is still not even close to the number of heroes in DotA and Icefrog is still releasing heroes for DotA so...
RogerX
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
New Zealand3180 Posts
October 19 2011 22:30 GMT
#335
I think what they should do is give more time with champion releases, not like "oh, we released a new champion but we're gonna put up a sneak preview and release another one in two or one week time" I think what they should do is release a champion perhaps every two months. Give the champions a much more unique style of play because they have the time to hopefully plan and think something creative out. I think by doing this, the players have a much more suspense for a new champion, therefore making it more likely that they will buy the champion+skins. (I also think skins are needing more time with creativity)

However there are obvious flaws when transitioning into the state of releasing champions:
1) Fans will probably be in an outrage
2) Perhaps it will create more of a reduce in income not an increase. I dunno man, maybe they should do a survey or something to see the ratio on who would be in favour of the idea and who wouldn't
Stick it up. take it up. step aside and see the world
Lancer723
Profile Joined September 2011
United States486 Posts
October 19 2011 22:32 GMT
#336
On October 20 2011 07:22 FuzzyLord wrote:


1) They aren't going to stop making champions because people like money. Doesn't matter what they say, their gonna keep on making champions because champions bring in money. Its just like Halo. It was supposed to end with Reach, and they SAID they wouldn't make Halo 4, but lo and behold, Halo 4 is going to be released.



Not to step on your toes or anything, but it was Bungie that said they weren't going to make Halo 4, and they didn't. Microsoft formed it's own game studio (343 Industries I believe) to make the next halo games.

ON TOPIC:

I don't have an issue with the champ releases so long as they keep reducing the price of old champs so there's still new stuff for me to play. Riot actually does a pretty fair job of balancing the game so I'm not gonna argue with their business model.
LoL ID - Lancer723 Gold III
dnastyx
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States2707 Posts
October 19 2011 22:34 GMT
#337
On October 20 2011 07:04 overt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 20 2011 05:38 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:
lol, NESL administration is a joke. i've always been of the school of thought that top players are bound to be whiny, egotistical, and looking out for number one, and that it's any administrator's job to look past that nonsense when it appears and make sure the rules of their tournament are adhered to. these NESL clowns can't run tournaments, and seem more concerned with not letting any player feel they're in the right than actually addressing any problems


IIRC, both of the admins involved in that were dismissed by NESL.


I always wonder how these shady as hell admins and whatnot get hired in the first place.
JackDino
Profile Joined July 2010
Gabon6219 Posts
October 19 2011 22:35 GMT
#338
On October 20 2011 07:34 dnastyx wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 20 2011 07:04 overt wrote:
On October 20 2011 05:38 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:
lol, NESL administration is a joke. i've always been of the school of thought that top players are bound to be whiny, egotistical, and looking out for number one, and that it's any administrator's job to look past that nonsense when it appears and make sure the rules of their tournament are adhered to. these NESL clowns can't run tournaments, and seem more concerned with not letting any player feel they're in the right than actually addressing any problems


IIRC, both of the admins involved in that were dismissed by NESL.


I always wonder how these shady as hell admins and whatnot get hired in the first place.

Putting on a mask is an easy thing to do.
This isnt Broodwar so I dont owe anyone respect for beating me. -arb
Attakijing
Profile Joined June 2011
United States693 Posts
October 19 2011 22:42 GMT
#339
Does anyone think graves will be a really good bot lane ganker? if your bot lane's support is taric you just get him to stun one of them and then you put them in the smokescreen and they cant do anything for the entire time you gank their partner. phreak did this in the spotlight. I dont know if its a good idea or not...
FuzzyLord
Profile Joined September 2010
253 Posts
October 19 2011 22:53 GMT
#340
On October 20 2011 07:32 Lancer723 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 20 2011 07:22 FuzzyLord wrote:


1) They aren't going to stop making champions because people like money. Doesn't matter what they say, their gonna keep on making champions because champions bring in money. Its just like Halo. It was supposed to end with Reach, and they SAID they wouldn't make Halo 4, but lo and behold, Halo 4 is going to be released.



Not to step on your toes or anything, but it was Bungie that said they weren't going to make Halo 4, and they didn't. Microsoft formed it's own game studio (343 Industries I believe) to make the next halo games.

ON TOPIC:

I don't have an issue with the champ releases so long as they keep reducing the price of old champs so there's still new stuff for me to play. Riot actually does a pretty fair job of balancing the game so I'm not gonna argue with their business model.



I thought 343 Industries were the people in Bungie that still wished to continue the Halo series, and broke off. Thats what i heard at least
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