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r.Evo
Profile Joined August 2006
Germany14080 Posts
August 07 2011 15:41 GMT
#1441
How to counter mobil boots sion mid?

My thoughts:
Everytime he goes to gank he loses farm and xp. It's the laners job to ward and not loldie to him all day.

Team thoughts: Our mid sucks sion gank all the time he never lol report omgnewb.

For real, it can't be true that i have to run behind him everytime he tries to gank.
"We don't make mistakes here, we call it happy little accidents." ~Bob Ross
zalz
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Netherlands3704 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-07 15:53:22
August 07 2011 15:52 GMT
#1442
On August 08 2011 00:41 r.Evo wrote:
How to counter mobil boots sion mid?

My thoughts:
Everytime he goes to gank he loses farm and xp. It's the laners job to ward and not loldie to him all day.

Team thoughts: Our mid sucks sion gank all the time he never lol report omgnewb.

For real, it can't be true that i have to run behind him everytime he tries to gank.


Why not? Those are usually the best time to get kills. Nothing feels as good as ganking a gank. Unless the enem team spots you before they gank so they know what you are up to and gank you as you try to gank their gank.


That said if you are too lazy to walk after him just push like crazy. If he's leaving the lane you should be up on his tower tearing it down.

It's important to know that there are times when the game calls for you to push minion waves, not just last hit and those occur even during the lane phase. Strong push champions can even make it nearly impossible to gank from mid since every time you leave he is at your tower. Think Nidalee, Singed.
spinesheath
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Germany8679 Posts
August 07 2011 16:01 GMT
#1443
Often it's not clear which way the enemy is going -> you can't follow him.
Sometimes it's incredibly risky to "follow" him, because he might just as well ambush you together with their jungler half way to the other lane.

I would only follow the enemy if you have plenty of vision on him. Otherwise call the mia and tell your allies to be careful.
If you have a good reason to disagree with the above, please tell me. Thank you.
broz0rs
Profile Joined July 2008
United States2294 Posts
August 07 2011 16:31 GMT
#1444
On August 07 2011 17:55 StuffedTurkey wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 07 2011 17:42 Phrost wrote:
Ap taric is too fabulous. I just finished a game where I went 6-5-8 because cait/taric is too fabulous for MF/alistar (they werent good but still)

That sounds outrageous.....truly truly truly outrageous


please tell me i'm not the only one that gets this.
unichan
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States4223 Posts
August 07 2011 16:44 GMT
#1445
On August 08 2011 01:31 broz0rs wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 07 2011 17:55 StuffedTurkey wrote:
On August 07 2011 17:42 Phrost wrote:
Ap taric is too fabulous. I just finished a game where I went 6-5-8 because cait/taric is too fabulous for MF/alistar (they werent good but still)

That sounds outrageous.....truly truly truly outrageous


please tell me i'm not the only one that gets this.

I'm pretty sure everyone gets it. ^_^
:)
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
August 07 2011 16:55 GMT
#1446
I've recently bought Swain and after some last hit training went solo queue. I got sent mid twice against a Kennen, and although I could kill him (and get killed almost equally), I just couldn't stand (nor outdamage) his burst once level 6, nor push the lane/punish his farming once he got his dash leveled.
Said dash makes it almost impossible to punish farming with Nevermore, I can't really flee his combo because of the stun and he pushes lanes like crazy, under my tower and damaging it a lot every time I get killed or have to back.

Any pointers about how to fight him or is it a losing match-up from the start (my main AP is Morgana, who suffer from the same weakness aka a skillshot)?
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
Juicyfruit
Profile Joined May 2008
Canada5484 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-07 17:12:04
August 07 2011 17:02 GMT
#1447
There aren't a whole lot of champions capable of punishing a Kennen, except maybe guys like Leblanc.

Position yourself to avoid shurikens and last hit, and if he comes to autoattack you, E-Q unload on him. Try to not waste spells on him while he's in pikachu mode because he gets MR bonus that way.
The hardest part about fighting kennen is when he comes at you with a W-charged proc. If you run from your creeps to avoid it you'll get chased down by his lightning ball and shuriken and you'll STILL eat the autoattack, so stand your ground and cast nevermore when you think he will stop and auto + W you.

If he comes at you with lightning ball, use nevermore to stop or deter him. It`s really your best move in this case until you get a little more farmed. Doesn`t really matter if you miss as long as it keeps him away. He can`t really fight you after his E is on cooldown, so you can take the fight to him during that time.

As for his level 6 burst, you need enough HP or MR to survive the whole thing + Ignite otherwise there`s really no point in even talking about beating him.
Craton
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States17281 Posts
August 07 2011 17:07 GMT
#1448
On August 08 2011 00:41 r.Evo wrote:
How to counter mobil boots sion mid?

My thoughts:
Everytime he goes to gank he loses farm and xp. It's the laners job to ward and not loldie to him all day.

Team thoughts: Our mid sucks sion gank all the time he never lol report omgnewb.

For real, it can't be true that i have to run behind him everytime he tries to gank.

Mid leaves > push the shit out of mid lane
See mid on a sidelane ward > go help sidelane

Since mid is usually a big ap nuker, you can play cleanup pretty easily.
twitch.tv/cratonz
rob.au
Profile Joined May 2010
1087 Posts
August 07 2011 17:13 GMT
#1449
vs Kennen just force team fights and exhaust/focus him. He's very strong in lane but not that great in team fights. Pretty much impossible for Swain to beat Kennen.

vs Sion, assuming you don't want to counterpick him your team just has to ward the river while you push his tower. He relies on snowballing from ganks to win, banshees and focusing him in team fights really destroys him.
clickrush
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Switzerland3257 Posts
August 07 2011 18:45 GMT
#1450
On August 08 2011 00:26 Craton wrote:
There are cheese lanes like that used, usually seen as some form of blitz/alistar or brandt/taric. The problem is they're gimmick lanes -- if you don't gib something, you're going to lose the lane.


how is it gimmick? I dont see why you have to kill sth at all with that lane. If the babysitter lane knows what their doing then they will sit back and play passive while trying to poke. But a dualstun/burst combo bottom can also deny them and just punish em when they try sth silly.

I dont think its gimmick/cheese when it worked for years in dota. Its just way more coordination depenand than babysitting+ farming.

Basicly almost every taric+ something lane is a bit like this and often it doesnt kill but just deny (which is way more effective in the long run if you do it right).
oGsMC: Zealot defense, Stalker attack, Sentry forcefieldu forcefieldu, Marauder die die
Kaneh
Profile Joined April 2009
Canada737 Posts
August 07 2011 18:47 GMT
#1451
On August 08 2011 03:45 clickrush wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 08 2011 00:26 Craton wrote:
There are cheese lanes like that used, usually seen as some form of blitz/alistar or brandt/taric. The problem is they're gimmick lanes -- if you don't gib something, you're going to lose the lane.


how is it gimmick? I dont see why you have to kill sth at all with that lane. If the babysitter lane knows what their doing then they will sit back and play passive while trying to poke. But a dualstun/burst combo bottom can also deny them and just punish em when they try sth silly.

I dont think its gimmick/cheese when it worked for years in dota. Its just way more coordination depenand than babysitting+ farming.

Basicly almost every taric+ something lane is a bit like this and often it doesnt kill but just deny (which is way more effective in the long run if you do it right).


and then.... SORAKA.

but hey counters are the reason there are bans
HazMat
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States17077 Posts
August 07 2011 18:57 GMT
#1452
On August 08 2011 01:44 unichan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 08 2011 01:31 broz0rs wrote:
On August 07 2011 17:55 StuffedTurkey wrote:
On August 07 2011 17:42 Phrost wrote:
Ap taric is too fabulous. I just finished a game where I went 6-5-8 because cait/taric is too fabulous for MF/alistar (they werent good but still)

That sounds outrageous.....truly truly truly outrageous


please tell me i'm not the only one that gets this.

I'm pretty sure everyone gets it. ^_^

No, plz explain.
www.youtube.com/user/ShakeDrizzle | League and SSBM content creator | Armada's Youtube Editor
StuffedTurkey
Profile Joined May 2010
United States859 Posts
August 07 2011 19:14 GMT
#1453
On August 08 2011 03:57 HazMat wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 08 2011 01:44 unichan wrote:
On August 08 2011 01:31 broz0rs wrote:
On August 07 2011 17:55 StuffedTurkey wrote:
On August 07 2011 17:42 Phrost wrote:
Ap taric is too fabulous. I just finished a game where I went 6-5-8 because cait/taric is too fabulous for MF/alistar (they werent good but still)

That sounds outrageous.....truly truly truly outrageous


please tell me i'm not the only one that gets this.

I'm pretty sure everyone gets it. ^_^

No, plz explain.

Well you see Shake when a man and a man really love each other like taric and ezreal, they give each other gems. Truly outrageous gems.
You can't milk those!
UniversalSnip
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
9871 Posts
August 07 2011 19:21 GMT
#1454
On August 08 2011 03:57 HazMat wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 08 2011 01:44 unichan wrote:
On August 08 2011 01:31 broz0rs wrote:
On August 07 2011 17:55 StuffedTurkey wrote:
On August 07 2011 17:42 Phrost wrote:
Ap taric is too fabulous. I just finished a game where I went 6-5-8 because cait/taric is too fabulous for MF/alistar (they werent good but still)

That sounds outrageous.....truly truly truly outrageous


please tell me i'm not the only one that gets this.

I'm pretty sure everyone gets it. ^_^

No, plz explain.


k im gonna have mercy on you

"How fucking dare you defile the sanctity of DotA with your fucking casual plebian terminology? May the curse of Gaben and Volvo be upon you. le filthy casual."
HazMat
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States17077 Posts
August 07 2011 19:31 GMT
#1455
I was joking but k.
www.youtube.com/user/ShakeDrizzle | League and SSBM content creator | Armada's Youtube Editor
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
August 07 2011 19:31 GMT
#1456
Thanks for the pointers, guess I'll ask for a lane switch next time.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
UniversalSnip
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
9871 Posts
August 07 2011 19:34 GMT
#1457
On August 08 2011 04:31 HazMat wrote:
I was joking but k.


you already knew about it? haha... what a nerd.
"How fucking dare you defile the sanctity of DotA with your fucking casual plebian terminology? May the curse of Gaben and Volvo be upon you. le filthy casual."
Craton
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States17281 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-07 20:11:43
August 07 2011 20:10 GMT
#1458
On August 08 2011 03:45 clickrush wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 08 2011 00:26 Craton wrote:
There are cheese lanes like that used, usually seen as some form of blitz/alistar or brandt/taric. The problem is they're gimmick lanes -- if you don't gib something, you're going to lose the lane.


how is it gimmick? I dont see why you have to kill sth at all with that lane. If the babysitter lane knows what their doing then they will sit back and play passive while trying to poke. But a dualstun/burst combo bottom can also deny them and just punish em when they try sth silly.

I dont think its gimmick/cheese when it worked for years in dota. Its just way more coordination depenand than babysitting+ farming.

Basicly almost every taric+ something lane is a bit like this and often it doesnt kill but just deny (which is way more effective in the long run if you do it right).

'cause the AD lane is going to have way better poke and put you in the hp danger zone in an exchange where they don't die and they can simply sustain back up + abuse having superior range.

If you don't kill them, you get zoned. In the case of Brand/Taric you don't necessarily get zoned or outfarmed, but your AP is lower level than the enemy AP and since AP need levels more than AD (typically), you're behind in that regard.
twitch.tv/cratonz
emucxg
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Finland4559 Posts
August 07 2011 21:09 GMT
#1459
is own3d.tv down atm?
Phrost
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States4008 Posts
August 07 2011 21:14 GMT
#1460
ahmg taric got a new skin



also mantheon's spear can now crit and you can chain cast HSS lulz
iamphrost.tumblr.com // http://howtobebettermagicplayer.tumblr.com // twitter @phrost_
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