LoL Replays Thread - Page 3

On September 06 2011 03:30 Southlight wrote:


My head still hurts like a bitch but in honor of timeliness.

The fuck how does your team have a level 1 advantage lol, you have Sona, they have Talon and Rumble.

So while this game starts a little rant on Sona. I think she's horrible. She's got a double nuke that does okay damage, but she has no defense mode, and her mspd buff is kinda shit early (although it gives her a decent snare). She ends up being like bot lane support Zilean. Total trash. I dunno why you'd play her instead of like Morg or Lux, if you're going for laning nuke + some token defense.

Also off the bat I feel like the lanes are all relatively eve, so that's a nice thing.

Level 1 W isn't very good because it heals 25 and gives like 10 armor (on double). If you'd leveled Q first you probably woulda won the lane outright, as it still does somewhat decent damage.

Love that execute on Amumu.

Interesting AD exchange but you can definitely see the terrible-ness of Sona there, heh. Also I think you should have backed, given that you have money and no mana. You've now allowed the creep to push and won't be there to back up your KogMaw, or rather it seems like you're sticking around with no mana, which is kinda useless. I also think you should have put the ward higher up, next to dragon, especially because you're having to stave off a jungler that moves faster and has a blink on ult. If you're pushed even halfway and WW comes you can't back up in time, which is what happened in the defeat just now. Didn't help that you had no mana, as I mentioned. For safety reasons you just backed and got two wards and you should really have just gone up and warded the bottom area for mid - this locks down the entire river from WW and really fucks him up. Especially as it seems Soraka's doing fine against Talon.

They're Vayne's build is pretty retarded. I feel kinda bad for the Taric, they have no actual damage output except Vayne's natural damage.

Second ward is where I wanted it.

See if that ward was below you wouldn't have gotten away, it's why the first ward's placement was dangerous. And you can see in that exchange how weak Sona's defense is :/ Also if you'd placed a ward where I told you at top part of river Soraka wouldn't have died. See how these subtle things make a difference? Pro ult by the way, don't waste it anyways you wouldn't have killed him through his ult (was still channeling and stun doesn't break channel). The Q as Kog came was bad, you should have prepared a snare proc off E->passive to snare, might have snared him down, eps. if you kept your ult.

You went back and bought an HoG + Ward but I really woulda opted for 3 wards, to lock down river and to get brush control. Up to you though. Amumu dicking around there is a bit puzzling especially since he didn't go around, but w/e

Soraka dies again, wasn't watching where he ganked from though. And Amumu's pretty fucked. Loved how he went toward you guys for help. Why're you walking out to the brush there's 4 in the area lol.

lmao dumb dive is dumb.

You missed on Taric by the way, travel time on that ult is nice. Was no bug don't let KM make you feel better about yourself.

And again you opt for G/5 instead of wards when you could really lock down half the river. At the moment assuming you expect no wards from jungler and AD you're really dropping the ball. Especially with how fed you are you should really be preventing any ganks on mid.

and lol @ that monstrous defense protecting KM. What a shit hero.

ENEMY KILLING SPREE.

Five wards, but like 4-5 deaths that could have been prevented if you'd opted for it earlier. Notice how the mid has actually been warding much more fervently than you. Feel the shame. Right now river is almost entirely locked down, but if you'd been not as cheap 75 gold earlier you would have kept Soraka in the lead instead of letting him get ganked twice and lose his adv to Talon. Now it's 14 minutes and Taric's got a nice Oracles, making your efforts to maintain lockdown that much more difficult.

Their Vayne's dreadful, also they just got another dragon.

It's kinda sad cause your team should have map control but really that 75 gold to let Sora get ganked once (or twice not sure if the second one was from bot river) lost mid lane and allowed Talon/WW free reign. It might not seem obvious but that's more-or-less what happened to make the game go so... badly, at the start. The double dragon loss isn't too big of a deal.

Losing baron is more-or-less a side-effect of that.

lol
mumu is 0-4
im 0-2

he's 0-3.

Really dumb initiate by the other team and really dumb move by the dumb Mord :> Always the ragers that make the retard decisions eh.

You really should be ward clearing more though, with Oracle.

This Mord really fails at math.

Really bad timing to have used CV and not have it for Drag.

Holy mother of late Amumu ults.

I can't believe NONE of you surrendered after that teamfight. Cmon man. YOU HAVE TO DO IT. WHY YOU FAIL ME EYEDRINKER. Also you're pretty bad at ward sweeping hahah. You even missed a normal anti-baron ward spot just now x_X The place between blue and mid lane. Blargh. You keep dodging the brush lol.

Losing Kog there hurts.

You just warded a baron bush but didn't check for a ward lol.

Fortunately their Taric is even WORSE at sweeping lmao.

Vman derped and went bot your team's reaction time to it was way too slow though.

Holy god you are horrible at this sweeping business.

But for some reason they engaged without their rumble lol. SO MUCH BADNESS OHMAGADS.

Also please /ff after these won teamfights. Every time you don't you rend my heart.

If you Clair'd during the retreat from their blue buff you prolly coulda just turned around and shanked VMan who was alone :>

Soraka left to hung.

But holy shit so OP.

You guys have such terrible positioning and are throwing the game away lol. Lucky as hell Soraka survived or else that could have gone REALLY badly.

k you really shoulda sold one of the gp5 (mainly Kage) and just bought 5 wards.

The lack of map awareness is mindboggling, you're ahead by an inhib why is more places not warded to prevent a comeback loss? And look at that, the path your team takes to go to bot lane is like you have shit warded, except you don't, and I know none of you knew that they were going to show up luckily at top.

Fortunately their WW is just as bad as Mord.

So basically you got carried by a Kog, who played pretty well, against a Vayne, who did the FOTM Wriggles build only Wriggles is horrible for her in that matchup (MUST win exchanges, if she'd opened DBlade and gotten another one you would have lost every single one of those exchanges and the game would have turned out differently), effectively axing both Taric AND Vayne for most of the game while feeding Kog and Sona some charity gold. Then they do a charity dive after Dragon to let you guys back into the game. By being stingy and opting for HoG at a crucial ward timing you, in turn, allowed their Talon and WW back into the game. Mord was being a Brazilian.

Incidentally if you were Lux, Morg, Janna, even Zilean, you would have done even better in lane, and been a much more effective babysitter. Fortunately the other team sucked and couldn't focus fire worth shit (VMan kept failing 1v1s to KM - you weren't even there to babysit him lol, fail) and Soraka's still OP so your team won 4v5 anyways (though Sona ult is nice). But enough ragging on terrible heroes.

On September 06 2011 04:08 Southlight wrote:
Sponge time.

Funky wonderful matchups. By the way to answer your question in the PM I'm actually a believer in that the current AD + support strat is now vastly overrated bot lane. I know people have a hard time putting their egos aside and sharing farm but double nuke or whatnot is actually significantly stronger and viable, even if people don't think it's doable anymore. I especially like stuff like Morg and Kennen bot because they have very good defensive capabilities, a low-farm ult (still hurts without farm while adding a lot to teamfights) while having the capability to hit like a truck. It just means shared responsibility to an extent with warding... but people are lazy and find it easier to just heap responsibility on one person, then rage at them when they don't match perception. Typical solo queue mind I suppose.

For instance I saw a Cait + Irelia stomp Soraka + Vayne bot. Such is life.

I actually think you could have given Kat mid and you take bot, because you're much more effective without the level advantage than Kat (who blows without 6) but w/e.

Off that bat top is a dangerous lane (Talon may lose) while bot is rather... interesting. Amusingly Kat gives you an anti-Soraka, and because of the mixed damage Soraka can't actually prevent the damage. And boom right as I say that Talon dies. I see, Jarv sposed to be jungle. Now Karth is here. HOW DOES SOMEONE DIE 2v1 oh I see. They traded, guess that's ok if Kayle can farm up in absence.

I don't know this matchup at all (I've never played Brand) but I feel like you really could just push the lane and force the Soraka to lose last hits or tank the creep. Instead you're playing it normally and not applying any sort of pressure to Soraka. I dunno hwy people do this. Her sustain isn't very good anymore.

The prince returns.

Dat Talon.

Kind of a nondescript game so far. I do notice your last hitting is really subpar though. You should be up by so much more CS but you keep missing random ones. This builds up if you really want to make up for bad teammates. Also your reaction speed to the Jarv gank was a bit slow. Flash on ult was also a bit slow.

You honestly should probably just request a laneswitch with FeedWinz at the moment. Also Sorc boot horrible idea. With the gold you had, you shoulda simply bought an NLR.

This late into the game (12 minutes) your AP is startlingly low. The Sorc boots doesn't even really matter. You really should be stampeding people with your unimpeded farm but... yeah.

For future reference please don't buy a quick Sorc boots unless you're doing really early shenanigans. Otherwise sorc boots are one of the worst boots in the game. All you're doing is farming. So all you did was help the other team by delaying your NLR for no good reason.

Now you have it, but sold a DRing? That makes no sense, sell the potion lol.

If you simply turned around and took on the Karth you woulda killed him. And if you can't, you failed solo mid. That sorc boot really hurts because you have no deathcap at the 20 minute mark. You just delayed your deathcap AGAIN with an Amp Tome, but all this does is un-do your curious selling of DRing. Love that double ult on Kat, that's so awesome hahah.

At this point flashing to attempt a kill one their most insignificant hero isn't really worth it.

And now with your team coming you ran away. #1 solo mid carry.

23:45 Deathcap. This is horrendous for a solo mid AP hero who wants Deathcap. Also I dunno why you were waiting behind their team when they went for your inhib. Your team has no tank, you can't initiate into them. The only thing you can do is wait for them to come to you, esp as they have 2 tanks. By going behind them you force one of your heroes to initiate, which won't happen - instead you were horribly out of position while your Fiddle got killed.

Also, amusingly, you LOST your mid lane. It just isn't as obvious as a deaths. Your farm was piss-poor, your items were piss-poor, for having laned against a hero that you could really just push down. You also opened an AP heavy build (DRings) yet did nothing with it (one token gank bot like 10 mins into game), and rushed a boots that you didn't even use (one token gank bot like 10 mins into game).

If you're an AP carry you're supposed to get gold, either by farming like hell or by ganking (preferably both, esp. on heroes like Malz/Brand that can push and then gank), so that regardless of how your team looks on kills/deaths you just walk in 20 mins into the game, take Blue Buff, and destroy teams. That's why they're so strong. But you failed at that. You got your single core item 23:45 into a game. That's like buying BF Sword at 23:45 as an AD carry. It's a very obvious fail.

Edit:
By the way I should point out that I'm not saying you would have won if you farmed better etc. There're games that you just can't win, and that may have been one of those (hero selection really compounded things, as even if your Kat had picked a support like you hoped, aside from Cow your team would really have struggled in the tank/initiate department, so in that sense Kat wasn't *terrible* because with you + kat + talon you get really nice poking and good spacing for Fiddle to ult if they ever engage, or at least that's how the ideal would have been). But the main thing I want you to get is that you didn't play the absolute best, and in fact you shot yourself in the foot pretty hard with that sorc boot and the 23:45 Deathcap. The game was actually not that out of control if you'd been able to output good damage, because the Kayle was decently farmed and ramming people.