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Player: Senx Champion: Taric Game Type: 5v5 Ranked (1800 ELO) Region: EU East Description: + Show Spoiler +
A long and close game where we're constantly struggeling to combat a double global setup (pantheon/TF) Luckily we have a farmed Lee sin, GP and cait on our team to help us win most team fights.
I'm quite shitty at support in general, I rarely play it and when I do I usually lose. So if any good support players can give me some pointers on what I could have done better at certain points? I try to ward/oracle alot, but I feel like my team fight is pretty awful. Also comments on item build?
On July 23 2011 10:02 Senx wrote: Just had a game i'd like some feedback on!
Player: Senx Champion: Taric Game Type: 5v5 Ranked (1800 ELO) Region: EU East Description: + Show Spoiler +
A long and close game where we're constantly struggeling to combat a double global setup (pantheon/TF) Luckily we have a farmed Lee sin, GP and cait on our team to help us win most team fights.
I'm quite shitty at support in general, I rarely play it and when I do I usually lose. So if any good support players can give me some pointers on what I could have done better at certain points? I try to ward/oracle alot, but I feel like my team fight is pretty awful. Also comments on item build?
- Good Flash Stun for first blood. After you got assist gold, you should have back right away from Philo and come back with another ward in your inv. Whole point of NA style support is to stack gp10 as fast as possible. With FB on Ez, Cait can farm by herself for 30 seconds without you babysitting. Get that Philo and new ward - Team fights, don't use your ulti. It drain mana so fast that you'll be oom for heals and possible Shatter as well, if you need to do damage -- Taric ulti is pretty shit. The heal is awful, the only good thing is damage. The only time I would turn on ulti is against stationary targets for your team. That means bulldozing towers, getting Dragon and Baron. - Your skill order is really bad. Thankfully it wasn't noticable this game. Max Q > W > E. All you need is one point in Dazzle. Each level in E that you put in, it increases damage only, not stun duration. You're going support Taric, not AP Taric. What good does extra E damage do for your team? Not much. More Armor on the other hand is much more useful in team fights. - Item build needs work. Faster Philo + Ward as soon as you have money. You can delay boots. 2nd buy should be Boots and possibly a Ruby. Then HoG => Oracle => Kage => big item. Finish Merc that early is pointless. The MR and CC reduction does you no good early on. Your fine with just boots until you have all your Gold Per items that you want. - Your slow build towards GP10 items was really noticable since the map had zero wards from 11 min until 14. Minimally, you need the river area warded. Your team needs to know when enemy champions are entering other lanes. - You need to work on your CV. First 3 minutes of the game is all about keep an eye on the jungler. Most importantly when he gets Red. I main jungle champions, so my CVs are used to keep an eye on where the enemy jungler is. If you don't have a sense of jungle timing, early CVs need to keep an eye on the buffs. When enemy Red is down, call it and it gives your team the alert that incoming gank from enemy jungler is coming - As soon as your team took down bottom lane, you need to do one of two things: -- if Cait wanted to stay and farm, you need to back, buy wards. Put them on the opposite side of the map where you have been neglecting (e.g. in this case, the river brush by Baron is my favorite). After that warding, go help pressure another lane. Your stun presence = easy zoning. -- if Cait decided to leave and help other lane, you need to hold bot until it pushes past the bottom choke point (past the tri-bush near Dragon). During this time, you need to catch up in CS. You did your duty babysitting earlier in the game, now catch up in gold. -- What you ended up doing was the worst option tbh. Cait went to another lane, for whatever reason LeBlanc went bottom and you decided to babysit Leblanc instead. Enemy bot tower is gone, you don't need to be there. She has double Jump anyways.
Team Carry: Cait, she was boss. Pro CS, pro position. Team Deadweight: Lee Sin, surprisingly, the pro dove more than I honestly expected, pretty sad. Your GP was also retarded, never in team fights, always wanting to farm an open lane.
On July 23 2011 10:02 Senx wrote: Just had a game i'd like some feedback on!
Player: Senx Champion: Taric Game Type: 5v5 Ranked (1800 ELO) Region: EU East Description: + Show Spoiler +
A long and close game where we're constantly struggeling to combat a double global setup (pantheon/TF) Luckily we have a farmed Lee sin, GP and cait on our team to help us win most team fights.
I'm quite shitty at support in general, I rarely play it and when I do I usually lose. So if any good support players can give me some pointers on what I could have done better at certain points? I try to ward/oracle alot, but I feel like my team fight is pretty awful. Also comments on item build?
feedback
Wow I didn't expect THAT level of feedback.. thanks. But yeah I'm not shy to say i'm completely lost on support as to what to do or where to go in certain situations, so your tips helped me alot.
Also the FB didn't give me enough for a philo. I did go back as soon as i had like 700g so i could finish that philo + a ward.
And yeah I guess in the future I'll max W before E after Q, I actually thought the shorter CD was worth it over W but after reading league wikipedia its only like 1 sec per level, which is just god awful to get over W. So much for paying attention to tool tips eh? I never got R before I was forced to. Actually nvm, I did get it before that. Real..
Player: Tapcon Champion: Corki Game Type: 5v5 Normal (Level 17) Region: NA Description: Scrub corki replay, its long so make sure to fast forward. I got outplayed mid by malz, I think it was because he out-poked me. I open boots + 3 health pots and I'm not too familiar with malz but I'm wondering if one missile barrage (R) is a comparable exchange with one of his DoT pokes, because they seem to do a lot of damage. I think my first death was because he out-poked and then engaged when he was at higher health and I wasn't expecting his flash-engage. I had ~80 CS at 16 minutes which is pretty solid for me. Mid-game I didn't really know where to be so I tried farming neutral creeps (wraiths/red) some but I was scared to farm in lane because we didn't have very good vision so I was worried about being ganked. I change directions a lot because I'm not sure exactly where I belong. We end up winning the game but it was still sloppy all around so I think I can learn a lot more from this rep (when people post SC reps they always say you can learn a whole lot from a loss but I did so much wrong here I think I can learn a lot more from a win in this case). Thanks in advance. Link: http://clgaming.net/replay/2506/
On July 24 2011 13:59 calgar wrote: Player: Tapcon Champion: Corki Game Type: 5v5 Normal (Level 17) Region: NA Description: Scrub corki replay, its long so make sure to fast forward. I got outplayed mid by malz, I think it was because he out-poked me. I open boots + 3 health pots and I'm not too familiar with malz but I'm wondering if one missile barrage (R) is a comparable exchange with one of his DoT pokes, because they seem to do a lot of damage. I think my first death was because he out-poked and then engaged when he was at higher health and I wasn't expecting his flash-engage. I had ~80 CS at 16 minutes which is pretty solid for me. Mid-game I didn't really know where to be so I tried farming neutral creeps (wraiths/red) some but I was scared to farm in lane because we didn't have very good vision so I was worried about being ganked. I change directions a lot because I'm not sure exactly where I belong. We end up winning the game but it was still sloppy all around so I think I can learn a lot more from this rep (when people post SC reps they always say you can learn a whole lot from a loss but I did so much wrong here I think I can learn a lot more from a win in this case). Thanks in advance. Link: http://clgaming.net/replay/2506/
- Skill Corki QWQEQR, R > Q > E > W - When Malz's E is running, don't stand next to the last creep and allow it to jump to you. You take a lot of unnecessary damage from it in lane - Never use E to farm. Just QE is enough tbh - 17 min into the game, I have a feeling you're still not familiar with all the champion abilities. You get pincered by Malz and Noc. Malz is in range to full combo you but lets you go, with just Ignite wasted on you. Noc chases and for whatever reason, you turn around and eat a full Fear and die. You got away, I don't know why you turned back. - You need to grab Buffs more, especially at lower level games. Corki rapes through Lizard and Golem like it's nothing. - You have Red, you Valk in against Teemo and Sion, both are an easy double kill. Use Ghost, you had it up. And get out of creep range so you can Rocket. You wasted two when creeps were ahead of you - Tear, Boots, Manamune, Zerker, Zeal? You need to work on your item builds too. Try Boots, Blade, Blade, Sheen, Vamp Scepter, Phage, Zeal, Trinity. I'm advocating the early Vamp Scepter only because of your level. Practice last hitting more and it's easy to take buffs if you have Life Steal. - Use Ghost more, I don't think I've ever seen you use it. Otherwise, trade in Ghost for Exhaust.
The biggest room for improvement I see for you is how to team fight and how to defend. There were a bunch of times where Maokai snared someone and you didn't react when I knew you had the burst to kill the enemy. Valk in, QE, spam R. Valk in only if you have a sense (or actual sight) of where the enemy team is. If you're completely unsure, don't jump in. Last thing you want to do is Valk in and 2 more enemies show up and you have to waste Flash to get back out.
When you defend, stand near your tower and spam R.
When you siege, stand at a flank (if you're seiging mid as Blue, stand in Purple right jungle) and spam R across the trees
Hmm, I actually see double DBlade into Manamune into Triforce a lot on Corki :x He's not that far off in that sense. I definitely wouldn't start with Zeal for Tri, Sheen -> Phage -> Zeal.
On July 24 2011 17:56 NeoIllusions wrote: Corki is actually one of the ranged DPS I don't play. The build one item build I grabbed was Chaox's. He doesn't manamune either.
Yea that's the new build he is trying to spread. It's pretty solid but its difficult to break away from manamune from constantly spamming spells and being able to for the longest time. Some of his rune choices will leave most scratching their heads as well. Ap/lvl seals and not properly utilizing attack damage runes, as they leave Corki starting at 69.5 lowering his passive.
Player: bly08 Champion: Amumu Game Type: 5v5 Ranked vs WE.GIGA Region: US Description: Lost a sizable advantage and very quickly due to two bad teamfights Link: http://www.sendspace.com/file/2vj9h5
Messed up the last two fights really badly, first one I had chat box open, wanted to bandage couldn't and ended up trying to zone three people. Team fight two I went in too early but was expecting the APs to flash in. Noc did a good job going for cait but I've no idea why her + Taric couldn't just kite. I shouldn've maybe went back and stayed with Cait but then we mind as well not have fought.
I really didn't like how our Cait played in general. Ori missed some pretty blatant skillshots during the early fight after bot died and during the first fight when she missed ult on Sona. Annie was fine for the most part. Taric said he should've helped Cait but I didn't pay much attention. The first fight everyone's target priority was really messed up. I died really stupidly, the two APs chased Sona and Tris across map which left Cait and Taric to get shit on by Gragas and Nocturne. The second fight, like the first fight we should've been more compact. I still think engaging as opposed to not was the better choice. Overall they were indeed a lot better at teamfights than we were but I feel like those things can be fixed really easily if we just talk about it in game. Comments and critiques are welcome.
Player: bly08 Champion: Amumu Game Type: 5v5 Ranked vs some other professional tryhard Chinese team, I think EHome Region: US Description: Long, close game but I forgot to ban TF Link: http://www.sendspace.com/file/u8saky
Basically we were winning and I thought were gonna win but then no one ran TP and TF Bd'd. I made a lot of bad calls especially with not having someone go back to deal with TF Bding multiple times. Help is appreciated.
On July 25 2011 02:04 zulu_nation8 wrote: Player: bly08 Champion: Amumu Game Type: 5v5 Ranked vs WE.GIGA Region: US Description: Lost a sizable advantage and very quickly due to two bad teamfights. Link: http://www.sendspace.com/file/2vj9h5
Messed up the last two fights really badly, first one I had chat box open, wanted to bandage couldn't and ended up trying to zone three people. Team fight two I went in too early but was expecting the APs to flash in. Noc did a good job going for cait but I've no idea why her + Taric couldn't just kite. I shouldn've maybe went back and stayed with Cait but then we mind as well not have fought.
I really didn't like how our Cait played in general. Ori missed some pretty blatant skillshots during the early fight after bot died and during the first fight when she missed ult on Sona. Annie was fine for the most part. Taric said he should've helped Cait but I didn't pay much attention. The first fight everyone's target priority was really messed up. I died really stupidly, the two APs chased Sona and Tris across map which left Cait and Taric to get shit on by Gragas and Nocturne. The second fight, like the first fight we should've been more compact. I still think engaging as opposed to not was the better choice. Overall they were indeed a lot better at teamfights than we were but I feel like those things can be fixed really easily if we just talk about it in game. Comments and critiques are welcome.
- When you do Wolves and Twin Golem, hit all the targets in rotation so they get the Cursed Touch passive on them. It speeds things along a little. Red, Blue, Wraiths, focus on the big minion - Real derp trying to save Cait but only ending up getting caught yourself - Second team fight was fail because you overcommitted. Great that you were able to catch four of the enemies in an ulti but too bad only Annie was in range to do anything. Cait and Ori were so far behind you. That was a wasted ulti. - Not a fan of Aegis. I like Philo, HoG, Sunfire, Rylais, Abyssal. Or Uta's build Philo, Cata, RoA, Abyssal. My build gets you more GP10 and Armor early. Uta's is a lot more AP and more MR. Against that team, I probably would have went Uta's build for a quicker Abyssal.
Points to carry home: counterjungle enemy Wraith camp more. The ward on enemy ramp should give you sight of wraiths. Position yourself better in team fights. You can't afford poor initiation as Amumu and being the sole tanky champion on your team.
Team Carry: iaeuy, positioned himself the best in team fights, landed a lot of good Tibbers. lol @ Flash Tibbers whiff up top though Team Derp: Amumu and Taric, your fail was in the form of poor initiation that ended up with you taking a lot of damage in the from of getting kited. Amumu is king if he can keep people standing still in his Despair. Remember that you were already half a screen ahead of you team, leading the charge. A good Q means you're almost a full screen away from the rest of your team. Your guys got wrecked by Gragas ulti. He was the one person that stood his ground while you dove the other 4. Your team was trying so hard to catch up to you running ahead that they ate a Gragas ulti to the face. Taric, Doran's stacking is out of date on support. Total lack of wards on the map, especially on enemy river choke. This mean Noc got the jump on your team a lot. And by the looks of it, it wrecked you guys, especially in that last fight.
Probably the biggest mistake I notice on most Amumus is that they're too impatient with their ult... and also feel like Q->R is a good initiate anywhere. Actually it's the same issue with Malphite (though people don't play him anymore) and I'd imagine for any tank like that, where they have a monstrous AoE CC type skill that looks like a fantastic initiate skill but... is actually not really supposed to be used that way.
Instead you're supposed to Q, then dick around with Despair forcing them to deal with you as a threat. There're a lot of times I'll hold R even as I'm dying in order to fire a monster R with most of their team in combat position so that my team can unload on them. And if I can't survive long enough until my team gets there, I was too far ahead. If I can't survive long enough even though I simply Q'd from my team, then it means I'm not tanky enough and so I shouldn't be solo initiating (ie. diving into their team) and should be waiting for more of a mutual commitment so that I can stealth into a fight and fire a game-changing R.
It's the same thing with Malphite, where you actually initiate with Q and then running in. You only R when they make a positional mistake and bunch up or whatnot, to maximize the CC and damage. But people feel like they're supposed to initiate with R, not understanding that it takes them far out of their team's range and usually wastes the CC and positional advantage.
Player: Lancer723 Champion: Annie Game Type: 5v5 Ranked Solo (1300 ELO) Region: NA Description: + Show Spoiler +
I dunno, lately I've just been playing bad and not really knowing why. Anyway I played especially terrible in this game but somehow managed to get carried to victory. I'm open to feedback because I have to get out of this funk I'm in.
On July 25 2011 11:11 LancerStarcraft wrote: Player: Lancer723 Champion: Annie Game Type: 5v5 Ranked Solo (1300 ELO) Region: NA Description: + Show Spoiler +
I dunno, lately I've just been playing bad and not really knowing why. Anyway I played especially terrible in this game but somehow managed to get carried to victory. I'm open to feedback because I have to get out of this funk I'm in.
- Annie has the longest auto attack range in the game. Harass more with auto. Use Q to last hit - You really need to improve on your last hitting ability, especially with Annie, who has a spell that refunds mana cost - Enemy Corki is full life yet you're holding on to your stun charge for some reason. You try to last hit with auto attack and end up missing 3 creeps in a single wave. Unless you're able to combo an attack with that stun, just "waste" it and keep on last hitting with Q - You back way too early the first time. Yes, you got enough gold for a Ring but you were sitting at near full HP/MP. That was a waste of a trip and you're missing out in exp - You play way too passively for an Annie, especially at level 6. If Tibbers is up, behave like a WW. Find a lane to burst down. When you're level 6, bottom lane is level 4-5. You can Flash Tibbers and dump your entire combo for a kill. After that, go back to mid and farm up a storm again - 14 min into the game, you hit level 11. You haven't used Tibbers a single time from levels 6 - 11. That's just wrong. Find someone to kill. - Item build is a bit off. Try Boots, Ring, Ring, Sorc, Deathcap. If you need survivability, Banshee's. Otherwise Void Staff. - For champions that hard counter you, like a fed Veigar does, you need to play more reactionary. If he's MIA and your team is sieging a turrent, you need to hide yourself until Veigar comes, uses his stun on your team. Then pop in and stun combo him back. On that enemy team, no one melts your face faster than a Veigar. So stop giving him that opportunity to flank, stun, and combo you
Player: Eyedrinker Champion: Orianna Game Type: 5v5 Ranked Solo Queue (1600 Elo) Region: NA Description: In the past week or so my rating has just dropped like a rock and I don't really know if there's anything more I can do. I've been trolled or people have just simply gone full retard on me; before this week I would have just deemed games like this one unwinnable and moved on to the next one. Trouble is, the next one turns out to be more of the same more often than not. While it's obviously not my fault that we lose if I absolutely crush my lane and still wind up losing in a 20 minute surrender, I have made the best of this losing streak and just tried to focus on what I can do better. This is my first Orianna game in a few weeks and I'm sure that there are many mistakes that I made that I'd like pointed out, and there were some judgment calls that I'd like commented on as well. Thanks in advance for any commentary you guys can provide.
Player: Eyedrinker Champion: Brand Game Type: 5v5 Ranked Solo Queue (1600 Elo) Region: NA Description: Still same deal as above, but Brand is basically my main nowadays.
On July 29 2011 15:41 TieN.nS) wrote: Player: Eyedrinker Champion: Brand Game Type: 5v5 Ranked Solo Queue (1600 Elo) Region: NA Description: Still same deal as above, but Brand is basically my main nowadays.
- Opening EW, I prefer WQ or even EQ. Stun is vital early on when you need CC to create distance between you and enemy solo. - Vs Akali, whens she Shrouds at near full HP, W closer to yourself. Think what an Akali is doing. When she doesn't feel threatened (not at low life), she Shrouds to get closer to you and get some harass in. You aimed your cone too far and missed. She was standing at the closest part of her Shroud near you - Manage your mana better. At levels 3-4, you're already near empty. This is mostly due to two missed combos. EW, she dodged your W. And another EQ, you missed her while she was stealth. You really need to make your spells count, otherwise be conservative. With two skill shot spells, Brand does immense damage but you can't afford to miss. - Great first blood. You didn't blow Flash which was good. Decent micro to walk up in between auto attack animation. +400 gold - Bad death. At least it was a trade. I would've been happier if she died first though. You didn't cast E, which meant no Stun, which meant no massive W damage. I'll chalk it up to panic that you missed your combo. - Bad second death. You misread Akali's action. Your own jungle wasn't there to support you and there's no reason why a full hp Akali would back off like that. What you should have done in that position (lane is pushed), run up top because Sion is pushing that lane and tell Amumu to hold at tower once Akali pushes lane back. Remember that this is still a 4v5. - Very good top gank. You should go up there every time WW has his ulti up. Any champion that gives you a stun for more than 2 seconds, you love long time. Easiest combo for you to pull off. Probably didn't need to ulti there. Just combo EW for damage and Q once WW ulti finished. Link your stun, don't overlap. - Don't wimp out when you catch someone in your jungle. It's ok to back up but you can't get out of Q range. I understand that the entire enemy team was MIA (Cait was bot though) but you had 3 people in your jungle with you. You weren't going to die to a single Jarman - Man up. Know when you can tower dive. You kill Cait in mid, land a decent Ulti for once. You have Amumu leading the charge and even Kayle and WW in front of you. Why are you backing up? Dive that Taric faster, harder so your team doesn't have to stand between two turrets taking hits.
TL;DR: - You play a good Brand, not great but you farm and team fight decently. Just work on landing your skill shots - Need better decision-making. You play passive in team fights when you should be going balls out, kill shit mode - Communicate more, this is solo q. Not asking you to call out shots for your team (you eventually should) but as of now, you say nothing contributing to your team. As Brand, call out easy kills. See a green dot on WW or Amumu, go 2 man gank asap. It's stupid silly how easy champions fall from levels 6-11 when you have an ally stun them so you can combo EW and link your own Q stun right after. Most of the time you don't even need to ulti or Ignite. Passive'd W is redonkulous. - Don't be so easy to ulti. I think that entire game, you fired off only two good ultis and at least one fight where you could've used ulti but it was on CD.
Regarding communicating more, I usually do (as is shown in the Orianna replay I posted), but it gets tiring telling people what to do at every point in the game when no one listens and I'm on a losing streak. As far as skill order goes, maybe I should have gotten Q at level 3 this game as I usually do, but getting it at level 2 seems way too defensive and Brand has no real damage without W. I probably should be more conservative with my mana, but I try to really dominate the lane early on to start denying; obviously, it doesn't work out as well if I miss my skillshots. I agree that the first death could have been avoided, and I definitely did try to E then Q but for some reason the E didn't go off. The second death was absolutely retarded as I was even baited away from the side that I warded, so definitely agree with everything you said there. I am definitely trigger happy with Brand ult, particularly before when I want to go buy; usually I rationalize it by thinking that a few lucky bounces will win a teamfight right then and there, but there is absolutely no reason for me to gamble with it when I can just wait for Amumu ult. Thanks for the feedback, I will work on my skillshot aim (duh) and be more proactive with ganks rather than just falling into afk farm mode as is my natural tendency.
On July 29 2011 22:42 TieN.nS) wrote: Regarding communicating more, I usually do (as is shown in the Orianna replay I posted), but it gets tiring telling people what to do at every point in the game when no one listens and I'm on a losing streak. As far as skill order goes, maybe I should have gotten Q at level 3 this game as I usually do, but getting it at level 2 seems way too defensive and Brand has no real damage without W. I probably should be more conservative with my mana, but I try to really dominate the lane early on to start denying; obviously, it doesn't work out as well if I miss my skillshots. I agree that the first death could have been avoided, and I definitely did try to E then Q but for some reason the E didn't go off. The second death was absolutely retarded as I was even baited away from the side that I warded, so definitely agree with everything you said there. I am definitely trigger happy with Brand ult, particularly before when I want to go buy; usually I rationalize it by thinking that a few lucky bounces will win a teamfight right then and there, but there is absolutely no reason for me to gamble with it when I can just wait for Amumu ult. Thanks for the feedback, I will work on my skillshot aim (duh) and be more proactive with ganks rather than just falling into afk farm mode as is my natural tendency.
The point of getting Q at level 2 is to be defensive. For a champion with no escape skills, early access to a CC is good. What is the point of more damage early on if it's not guaranteed? EW is still too iffy to land early on.
It's fine to afk farm, especially as a solo AP with a great farming kit. But the problem is that you have to look at the other lanes. If Akali goes down bot (which you didn't call MIA btw) and scores a double kill, you can't just afk farm some more. You should try to go top and set the enemy team back a bit somehow. Best time to afk farm is when other lanes are pressured but they can afford to sit at tower for a while. In those situation, farm hard, push hard, and get some hits on the outer tower.
Player: Arnath Champion: Vayne Game Type: 5v5 Ranked Solo Queue (1780 Elo) Region: NA Description: Had a really dumb first death where I super fail attempted to dodge a Cait Q and then got flash/killed. After this, went 9-0-7 through the rest of the game. I feel like I had good positioning, was good about going around and assisting when lanes got attacked by 2+, farmed well. Ended up getting rocked late game by a pretty fed Nasus because our Kassadin did 0 damage so he had no reason to build anything but armor. Literally don't know what else I could have done to carry this game. Any tips?
On July 30 2011 13:54 arnath wrote: Player: Arnath Champion: Vayne Game Type: 5v5 Ranked Solo Queue (1780 Elo) Region: NA Description: Had a really dumb first death where I super fail attempted to dodge a Cait Q and then got flash/killed. After this, went 9-0-7 through the rest of the game. I feel like I had good positioning, was good about going around and assisting when lanes got attacked by 2+, farmed well. Ended up getting rocked late game by a pretty fed Nasus because our Kassadin did 0 damage so he had no reason to build anything but armor. Literally don't know what else I could have done to carry this game. Any tips?
On July 30 2011 13:54 arnath wrote: Player: Arnath Champion: Vayne Game Type: 5v5 Ranked Solo Queue (1780 Elo) Region: NA Description: Had a really dumb first death where I super fail attempted to dodge a Cait Q and then got flash/killed. After this, went 9-0-7 through the rest of the game. I feel like I had good positioning, was good about going around and assisting when lanes got attacked by 2+, farmed well. Ended up getting rocked late game by a pretty fed Nasus because our Kassadin did 0 damage so he had no reason to build anything but armor. Literally don't know what else I could have done to carry this game. Any tips?
- Need to tell your Taric that Soraka is an easy kill at level 2. Especially if she's camping the brush like that. Taric Stun and Shatter, you follow up with Q Exhaust Auto E. That's easily 400 damage. - You need to watch tower hp when you farm. You had a good creep wave bot but you were last hitting too long. It was 3v4 at mid and they couldn't hold it vs Cait. Not to mention Kass gave FB to Ori. You needed to swing to mid sooner as to not lose mid tower so early. Shove bot in that case, but still get farm. Don't just auto for last hits. - 15 minutes in, you guys just got away from an amazing team fight where you dove in between middle's outer and inner tower. Healing (instead of Dragon) was the right call. You should have noticed at this point that Nasus never budged from top, real afk farm mode. This should have been your first warning of a late game Nas.
Alright I sped through the rest of the replay. You played a solid Vayne. You were simply outcomped (Taric useless champion after level 11, Kass not so great late game against two tanks either). Not to mention Taric played like an over all retard (definitely Team Heavy) and Irelia made a huge mistake in the miscall on coming back after bot (she should not have been bot in the first place but coming back made things even worse).
Only suggestions I really have is to flank more in situations like that. All the fights after 20 minutes were Nasus and Amumu running towards your team and your team getting kited. You definitely spent way too much time attacking/running away from Nasus (not that it was your fault but still). I would say you should've message Kass and told him that you and him would go for go after Cait, Soraka, Ori in that order, on your own. Rest of your team do whatever but you needed to kill those 3. Stay away from your team but don't get caught. Then Flank! Save Exhaust for Nasus and depend on Kass's Force Pulse for the slow.
Late game (if the teams were more even/comptent) you definitely needed more AS and/or a Bloodrazor. If that Nasus wanted to come after you, you needed to be able to melt him and Amumu fast. Silver Bolts > Nasus but you simply had no front line.
Player: Loco Champion: Cait Game Type: 5v5 Ranked (2k elo) Region:NA Description: Played an amazing game as caitlyn, if u wanna learn how to lane and teamfight properly this replay should be pretty educational
Player: z0r Champion: Singed Game Type: 5v5 Normal Region: NA Description: A really bad Caitlyn in the middle (gets hit by Nidalee's spear twice before minions reach mid... by standing still) results in a pretty unfavorable situation early on. I switch to mid so it doesn't collapse catastrophically, and then mid-game Signed starts causing havoc. Made a fair amount of mistakes, but lots of action mid-game. Also, our main damage dealer was Pantheon, and I think it does a good job of showcasing the impact of his buffs. Link: http://tdzk.agadak.net/zer0das/replay_09-08-11_22-19-57.lrf
Player: Shinee69 Champion: Orianna Game Type: 5v5 Ranked (1350~ ELO) Region: US Description: I smurf with orianna with around 200 to 600 ping all game long, carry hard anyway. I derped like two or three times, made up for it with ults and kiting action. This should show how easy it is to take advantage of bad positioning and should give a few good laughs. I had lots of fun! Link: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/3881391/replay_16-08-11_00-26-20.lrf
On July 30 2011 13:54 arnath wrote: Player: Arnath Champion: Vayne Game Type: 5v5 Ranked Solo Queue (1780 Elo) Region: NA Description: Had a really dumb first death where I super fail attempted to dodge a Cait Q and then got flash/killed. After this, went 9-0-7 through the rest of the game. I feel like I had good positioning, was good about going around and assisting when lanes got attacked by 2+, farmed well. Ended up getting rocked late game by a pretty fed Nasus because our Kassadin did 0 damage so he had no reason to build anything but armor. Literally don't know what else I could have done to carry this game. Any tips?
Kay, uh, I dunno how much you care, especially given that this is going to come from a support player. I understand there's a very different mentality at play between us (I can't carry worth shit). I'm also not gonna bother doing a recorded commentary because Neo's touched on a lot of shit, and I think in that game your problem was coordination and shit.
Lemme start by LMAOing at DTB playing Taric. What the fuck doesn't that guy only play bruisers?
Kay, and here's where a lot of our shit's gonna start differing, so ignore me if you want.
First of all your team had jackshit for wards. I understand you're going to be hesitant as a ranged AD player buying wards but I honestly feel weird whenever there aren't wards on the map, especially at crucial points (like a baron standoff). I know you might think "well it's Taric's job" but a lot of times Taric won't have the money to get it (esp when he's chugging Oracles to try to maintain map awareness), and his team really wasn't willing to invest in shit to help him. Is it really that hard to buy a stack of wards to keep warding the back of baron until people are really ready to commit to a 5v5 fight? Instead no one helped him out so he was forced to facecheck (cuz CV was down) or risk losing baron. Obviously he shouldn't have - Irelia should have - and that's where DTB was being DTB, lol, but I can understand where he was coming from with that because there was just so much psychological pressure coming from the fog of war and the speed at which the other team can clear Baron. Help him, ffs.
Irelia going bot and giving them the first baron was a nightmare, and is really her fault, but people could have been more proactive in making sure she stays in the area (no one said anything), and people also failed to make a quick snap judgement to keep her there to cut losses, instead wasting her (and the team's) time. Which is ironic because I felt like the Irelia was the most active in trying to win the game, she just made one critical error and it really turned the game around.
Part of the issue that your team faced by having so few wards and so little map control was that you essentially ceded initiating rights to the other team. Because you didn't know where they were, and because your team didn't have a proper initiator, your team essentially had 0 chance of off-positioning them, instead milling around until one of your team made a positioning mistake.
I know Neo was like "your team just got outpicked" but that's the sort of mindset that I call BS on. You can always make shit happen. Your team just refused to, evidently believing that all map control was based on Taric, and not playing to your team's actual strengths (splitting them up and causing positioning errors). Your team had SO MANY JUMPS, it was really depressing to see them not utilized, instead opting for a straight-up fight every time against an Amumu, with their team initiating to boot. Why not just drop a ward here or there, force their support to go kill the ward (which may come as a surprise to you in how difficult and terrifying and risky that is). Why not set up a few maps so a hero like Kassadin can quick push mid while they're doing a baron standoff and force them to run back and forth, deciding between pushing the lane back or letting tower take damage while they stand off baron?
Again, there's a fundamental difference in mindset here. For me it's a no-brainer to buy a wad of wards and just plop them all over, force their team to move from one place to another to clear wards (or drop some free damage on someone via an off-position initiate). For many people it's not.
Edit: Incidentally a few extra wards on their side for baron woulda helped you guys predict the quick baron bumrush and give your team some time, too. Especially because at that point your team was pretty far ahead.
Edit2: TL;DR Your team fucked the game up by being cheap 150 gold and then compounded the fucked up game by being cheap 75(x?) gold
Player: Eyedrinker Champion: Brand Game Type: 5v5 Ranked Solo Queue (1788 Elo) Region: NA Description: Snowster (ObamasLeftHand) and I figured out how CaseyNelson wins games. Amazing. Oh, also, funny moment where I drop every single cd on a LeBlanc image. h4h4
Player: Hiicantpk Champion: Xin Zhao Game Type: 5v5 Ranked Solo Queue (<1200 ELO) Reigon: NA Description: Jungle Xin, showing how powerful level 2 ganks are if you gank a lane with a stunner. I proceed to noob it up, but we get a 20 min baron and they surrender. I'd love feedback (hopefully some that will help me improve so i can get myself out of 1100ELO)
Player: Eyedrinker Champion: Sona Game Type: 5v5 Ranked Solo Queue (1800 Elo) Region: NA Description: First Sona game since release week, I think I played well and trolled VMan7 pretty well too. Would like Sona tips though if I'm doing stuff wrong.
I promised to look at the Sona game, and I've told someone else I'll look at theirs also (dun think they posted it in this thread). I've only got Monday assuming my migraine recedes, after that my free time during weekdays now is kinda iffy (school started up so I'm losing whole days). That'd be my heads up to Neo at the moment.
Edit: Although I already ranted about how Sona blows to Eyedrinker in Skype. So I'm not sure what I'm supposed to do there LOL
On September 05 2011 10:58 TieN.nS) wrote: Player: Eyedrinker Champion: Sona Game Type: 5v5 Ranked Solo Queue (1800 Elo) Region: NA Description: First Sona game since release week, I think I played well and trolled VMan7 pretty well too. Would like Sona tips though if I'm doing stuff wrong.
My head still hurts like a bitch but in honor of timeliness.
The fuck how does your team have a level 1 advantage lol, you have Sona, they have Talon and Rumble.
So while this game starts a little rant on Sona. I think she's horrible. She's got a double nuke that does okay damage, but she has no defense mode, and her mspd buff is kinda shit early (although it gives her a decent snare). She ends up being like bot lane support Zilean. Total trash. I dunno why you'd play her instead of like Morg or Lux, if you're going for laning nuke + some token defense.
Also off the bat I feel like the lanes are all relatively eve, so that's a nice thing.
Level 1 W isn't very good because it heals 25 and gives like 10 armor (on double). If you'd leveled Q first you probably woulda won the lane outright, as it still does somewhat decent damage.
Love that execute on Amumu.
Interesting AD exchange but you can definitely see the terrible-ness of Sona there, heh. Also I think you should have backed, given that you have money and no mana. You've now allowed the creep to push and won't be there to back up your KogMaw, or rather it seems like you're sticking around with no mana, which is kinda useless. I also think you should have put the ward higher up, next to dragon, especially because you're having to stave off a jungler that moves faster and has a blink on ult. If you're pushed even halfway and WW comes you can't back up in time, which is what happened in the defeat just now. Didn't help that you had no mana, as I mentioned. For safety reasons you just backed and got two wards and you should really have just gone up and warded the bottom area for mid - this locks down the entire river from WW and really fucks him up. Especially as it seems Soraka's doing fine against Talon.
They're Vayne's build is pretty retarded. I feel kinda bad for the Taric, they have no actual damage output except Vayne's natural damage.
Second ward is where I wanted it.
See if that ward was below you wouldn't have gotten away, it's why the first ward's placement was dangerous. And you can see in that exchange how weak Sona's defense is :/ Also if you'd placed a ward where I told you at top part of river Soraka wouldn't have died. See how these subtle things make a difference? Pro ult by the way, don't waste it anyways you wouldn't have killed him through his ult (was still channeling and stun doesn't break channel). The Q as Kog came was bad, you should have prepared a snare proc off E->passive to snare, might have snared him down, eps. if you kept your ult.
You went back and bought an HoG + Ward but I really woulda opted for 3 wards, to lock down river and to get brush control. Up to you though. Amumu dicking around there is a bit puzzling especially since he didn't go around, but w/e
Soraka dies again, wasn't watching where he ganked from though. And Amumu's pretty fucked. Loved how he went toward you guys for help. Why're you walking out to the brush there's 4 in the area lol.
lmao dumb dive is dumb.
You missed on Taric by the way, travel time on that ult is nice. Was no bug don't let KM make you feel better about yourself.
And again you opt for G/5 instead of wards when you could really lock down half the river. At the moment assuming you expect no wards from jungler and AD you're really dropping the ball. Especially with how fed you are you should really be preventing any ganks on mid.
and lol @ that monstrous defense protecting KM. What a shit hero.
ENEMY KILLING SPREE.
Five wards, but like 4-5 deaths that could have been prevented if you'd opted for it earlier. Notice how the mid has actually been warding much more fervently than you. Feel the shame. Right now river is almost entirely locked down, but if you'd been not as cheap 75 gold earlier you would have kept Soraka in the lead instead of letting him get ganked twice and lose his adv to Talon. Now it's 14 minutes and Taric's got a nice Oracles, making your efforts to maintain lockdown that much more difficult.
Their Vayne's dreadful, also they just got another dragon.
It's kinda sad cause your team should have map control but really that 75 gold to let Sora get ganked once (or twice not sure if the second one was from bot river) lost mid lane and allowed Talon/WW free reign. It might not seem obvious but that's more-or-less what happened to make the game go so... badly, at the start. The double dragon loss isn't too big of a deal.
Losing baron is more-or-less a side-effect of that.
lol mumu is 0-4 im 0-2
he's 0-3.
Really dumb initiate by the other team and really dumb move by the dumb Mord :> Always the ragers that make the retard decisions eh.
You really should be ward clearing more though, with Oracle.
This Mord really fails at math.
Really bad timing to have used CV and not have it for Drag.
Holy mother of late Amumu ults.
I can't believe NONE of you surrendered after that teamfight. Cmon man. YOU HAVE TO DO IT. WHY YOU FAIL ME EYEDRINKER. Also you're pretty bad at ward sweeping hahah. You even missed a normal anti-baron ward spot just now x_X The place between blue and mid lane. Blargh. You keep dodging the brush lol.
Losing Kog there hurts.
You just warded a baron bush but didn't check for a ward lol.
Fortunately their Taric is even WORSE at sweeping lmao.
Vman derped and went bot your team's reaction time to it was way too slow though.
Holy god you are horrible at this sweeping business.
But for some reason they engaged without their rumble lol. SO MUCH BADNESS OHMAGADS.
Also please /ff after these won teamfights. Every time you don't you rend my heart.
If you Clair'd during the retreat from their blue buff you prolly coulda just turned around and shanked VMan who was alone :>
Soraka left to hung.
But holy shit so OP.
You guys have such terrible positioning and are throwing the game away lol. Lucky as hell Soraka survived or else that could have gone REALLY badly.
k you really shoulda sold one of the gp5 (mainly Kage) and just bought 5 wards.
The lack of map awareness is mindboggling, you're ahead by an inhib why is more places not warded to prevent a comeback loss? And look at that, the path your team takes to go to bot lane is like you have shit warded, except you don't, and I know none of you knew that they were going to show up luckily at top.
Fortunately their WW is just as bad as Mord.
So basically you got carried by a Kog, who played pretty well, against a Vayne, who did the FOTM Wriggles build only Wriggles is horrible for her in that matchup (MUST win exchanges, if she'd opened DBlade and gotten another one you would have lost every single one of those exchanges and the game would have turned out differently), effectively axing both Taric AND Vayne for most of the game while feeding Kog and Sona some charity gold. Then they do a charity dive after Dragon to let you guys back into the game. By being stingy and opting for HoG at a crucial ward timing you, in turn, allowed their Talon and WW back into the game. Mord was being a Brazilian.
Incidentally if you were Lux, Morg, Janna, even Zilean, you would have done even better in lane, and been a much more effective babysitter. Fortunately the other team sucked and couldn't focus fire worth shit (VMan kept failing 1v1s to KM - you weren't even there to babysit him lol, fail) and Soraka's still OP so your team won 4v5 anyways (though Sona ult is nice). But enough ragging on terrible heroes.
On September 05 2011 10:58 TieN.nS) wrote: Player: Eyedrinker Champion: Sona Game Type: 5v5 Ranked Solo Queue (1800 Elo) Region: NA Description: First Sona game since release week, I think I played well and trolled VMan7 pretty well too. Would like Sona tips though if I'm doing stuff wrong.
My head still hurts like a bitch but in honor of timeliness.
The fuck how does your team have a level 1 advantage lol, you have Sona, they have Talon and Rumble.
So while this game starts a little rant on Sona. I think she's horrible. She's got a double nuke that does okay damage, but she has no defense mode, and her mspd buff is kinda shit early (although it gives her a decent snare). She ends up being like bot lane support Zilean. Total trash. I dunno why you'd play her instead of like Morg or Lux, if you're going for laning nuke + some token defense.
Also off the bat I feel like the lanes are all relatively eve, so that's a nice thing.
Level 1 W isn't very good because it heals 25 and gives like 10 armor (on double). If you'd leveled Q first you probably woulda won the lane outright, as it still does somewhat decent damage.
Love that execute on Amumu.
Interesting AD exchange but you can definitely see the terrible-ness of Sona there, heh. Also I think you should have backed, given that you have money and no mana. You've now allowed the creep to push and won't be there to back up your KogMaw, or rather it seems like you're sticking around with no mana, which is kinda useless. I also think you should have put the ward higher up, next to dragon, especially because you're having to stave off a jungler that moves faster and has a blink on ult. If you're pushed even halfway and WW comes you can't back up in time, which is what happened in the defeat just now. Didn't help that you had no mana, as I mentioned. For safety reasons you just backed and got two wards and you should really have just gone up and warded the bottom area for mid - this locks down the entire river from WW and really fucks him up. Especially as it seems Soraka's doing fine against Talon.
They're Vayne's build is pretty retarded. I feel kinda bad for the Taric, they have no actual damage output except Vayne's natural damage.
Second ward is where I wanted it.
See if that ward was below you wouldn't have gotten away, it's why the first ward's placement was dangerous. And you can see in that exchange how weak Sona's defense is :/ Also if you'd placed a ward where I told you at top part of river Soraka wouldn't have died. See how these subtle things make a difference? Pro ult by the way, don't waste it anyways you wouldn't have killed him through his ult (was still channeling and stun doesn't break channel). The Q as Kog came was bad, you should have prepared a snare proc off E->passive to snare, might have snared him down, eps. if you kept your ult.
You went back and bought an HoG + Ward but I really woulda opted for 3 wards, to lock down river and to get brush control. Up to you though. Amumu dicking around there is a bit puzzling especially since he didn't go around, but w/e
Soraka dies again, wasn't watching where he ganked from though. And Amumu's pretty fucked. Loved how he went toward you guys for help. Why're you walking out to the brush there's 4 in the area lol.
lmao dumb dive is dumb.
You missed on Taric by the way, travel time on that ult is nice. Was no bug don't let KM make you feel better about yourself.
And again you opt for G/5 instead of wards when you could really lock down half the river. At the moment assuming you expect no wards from jungler and AD you're really dropping the ball. Especially with how fed you are you should really be preventing any ganks on mid.
and lol @ that monstrous defense protecting KM. What a shit hero.
ENEMY KILLING SPREE.
Five wards, but like 4-5 deaths that could have been prevented if you'd opted for it earlier. Notice how the mid has actually been warding much more fervently than you. Feel the shame. Right now river is almost entirely locked down, but if you'd been not as cheap 75 gold earlier you would have kept Soraka in the lead instead of letting him get ganked twice and lose his adv to Talon. Now it's 14 minutes and Taric's got a nice Oracles, making your efforts to maintain lockdown that much more difficult.
Their Vayne's dreadful, also they just got another dragon.
It's kinda sad cause your team should have map control but really that 75 gold to let Sora get ganked once (or twice not sure if the second one was from bot river) lost mid lane and allowed Talon/WW free reign. It might not seem obvious but that's more-or-less what happened to make the game go so... badly, at the start. The double dragon loss isn't too big of a deal.
Losing baron is more-or-less a side-effect of that.
lol mumu is 0-4 im 0-2
he's 0-3.
Really dumb initiate by the other team and really dumb move by the dumb Mord :> Always the ragers that make the retard decisions eh.
You really should be ward clearing more though, with Oracle.
This Mord really fails at math.
Really bad timing to have used CV and not have it for Drag.
Holy mother of late Amumu ults.
I can't believe NONE of you surrendered after that teamfight. Cmon man. YOU HAVE TO DO IT. WHY YOU FAIL ME EYEDRINKER. Also you're pretty bad at ward sweeping hahah. You even missed a normal anti-baron ward spot just now x_X The place between blue and mid lane. Blargh. You keep dodging the brush lol.
Losing Kog there hurts.
You just warded a baron bush but didn't check for a ward lol.
Fortunately their Taric is even WORSE at sweeping lmao.
Vman derped and went bot your team's reaction time to it was way too slow though.
Holy god you are horrible at this sweeping business.
But for some reason they engaged without their rumble lol. SO MUCH BADNESS OHMAGADS.
Also please /ff after these won teamfights. Every time you don't you rend my heart.
If you Clair'd during the retreat from their blue buff you prolly coulda just turned around and shanked VMan who was alone :>
Soraka left to hung.
But holy shit so OP.
You guys have such terrible positioning and are throwing the game away lol. Lucky as hell Soraka survived or else that could have gone REALLY badly.
k you really shoulda sold one of the gp5 (mainly Kage) and just bought 5 wards.
The lack of map awareness is mindboggling, you're ahead by an inhib why is more places not warded to prevent a comeback loss? And look at that, the path your team takes to go to bot lane is like you have shit warded, except you don't, and I know none of you knew that they were going to show up luckily at top.
Fortunately their WW is just as bad as Mord.
So basically you got carried by a Kog, who played pretty well, against a Vayne, who did the FOTM Wriggles build only Wriggles is horrible for her in that matchup (MUST win exchanges, if she'd opened DBlade and gotten another one you would have lost every single one of those exchanges and the game would have turned out differently), effectively axing both Taric AND Vayne for most of the game while feeding Kog and Sona some charity gold. Then they do a charity dive after Dragon to let you guys back into the game. By being stingy and opting for HoG at a crucial ward timing you, in turn, allowed their Talon and WW back into the game. Mord was being a Brazilian.
Incidentally if you were Lux, Morg, Janna, even Zilean, you would have done even better in lane, and been a much more effective babysitter. Fortunately the other team sucked and couldn't focus fire worth shit (VMan kept failing 1v1s to KM - you weren't even there to babysit him lol, fail) and Soraka's still OP so your team won 4v5 anyways (though Sona ult is nice). But enough ragging on terrible heroes.
+1 Uta, would read again. I should submit one of these and see how hilariously you rip me apart.
Funky wonderful matchups. By the way to answer your question in the PM I'm actually a believer in that the current AD + support strat is now vastly overrated bot lane. I know people have a hard time putting their egos aside and sharing farm but double nuke or whatnot is actually significantly stronger and viable, even if people don't think it's doable anymore. I especially like stuff like Morg and Kennen bot because they have very good defensive capabilities, a low-farm ult (still hurts without farm while adding a lot to teamfights) while having the capability to hit like a truck. It just means shared responsibility to an extent with warding... but people are lazy and find it easier to just heap responsibility on one person, then rage at them when they don't match perception. Typical solo queue mind I suppose.
For instance I saw a Cait + Irelia stomp Soraka + Vayne bot. Such is life.
I actually think you could have given Kat mid and you take bot, because you're much more effective without the level advantage than Kat (who blows without 6) but w/e.
Off that bat top is a dangerous lane (Talon may lose) while bot is rather... interesting. Amusingly Kat gives you an anti-Soraka, and because of the mixed damage Soraka can't actually prevent the damage. And boom right as I say that Talon dies. I see, Jarv sposed to be jungle. Now Karth is here. HOW DOES SOMEONE DIE 2v1 oh I see. They traded, guess that's ok if Kayle can farm up in absence.
I don't know this matchup at all (I've never played Brand) but I feel like you really could just push the lane and force the Soraka to lose last hits or tank the creep. Instead you're playing it normally and not applying any sort of pressure to Soraka. I dunno hwy people do this. Her sustain isn't very good anymore.
The prince returns.
Dat Talon.
Kind of a nondescript game so far. I do notice your last hitting is really subpar though. You should be up by so much more CS but you keep missing random ones. This builds up if you really want to make up for bad teammates. Also your reaction speed to the Jarv gank was a bit slow. Flash on ult was also a bit slow.
You honestly should probably just request a laneswitch with FeedWinz at the moment. Also Sorc boot horrible idea. With the gold you had, you shoulda simply bought an NLR.
This late into the game (12 minutes) your AP is startlingly low. The Sorc boots doesn't even really matter. You really should be stampeding people with your unimpeded farm but... yeah.
For future reference please don't buy a quick Sorc boots unless you're doing really early shenanigans. Otherwise sorc boots are one of the worst boots in the game. All you're doing is farming. So all you did was help the other team by delaying your NLR for no good reason.
Now you have it, but sold a DRing? That makes no sense, sell the potion lol.
If you simply turned around and took on the Karth you woulda killed him. And if you can't, you failed solo mid. That sorc boot really hurts because you have no deathcap at the 20 minute mark. You just delayed your deathcap AGAIN with an Amp Tome, but all this does is un-do your curious selling of DRing. Love that double ult on Kat, that's so awesome hahah.
At this point flashing to attempt a kill one their most insignificant hero isn't really worth it.
And now with your team coming you ran away. #1 solo mid carry.
23:45 Deathcap. This is horrendous for a solo mid AP hero who wants Deathcap. Also I dunno why you were waiting behind their team when they went for your inhib. Your team has no tank, you can't initiate into them. The only thing you can do is wait for them to come to you, esp as they have 2 tanks. By going behind them you force one of your heroes to initiate, which won't happen - instead you were horribly out of position while your Fiddle got killed.
Also, amusingly, you LOST your mid lane. It just isn't as obvious as a deaths. Your farm was piss-poor, your items were piss-poor, for having laned against a hero that you could really just push down. You also opened an AP heavy build (DRings) yet did nothing with it (one token gank bot like 10 mins into game), and rushed a boots that you didn't even use (one token gank bot like 10 mins into game).
If you're an AP carry you're supposed to get gold, either by farming like hell or by ganking (preferably both, esp. on heroes like Malz/Brand that can push and then gank), so that regardless of how your team looks on kills/deaths you just walk in 20 mins into the game, take Blue Buff, and destroy teams. That's why they're so strong. But you failed at that. You got your single core item 23:45 into a game. That's like buying BF Sword at 23:45 as an AD carry. It's a very obvious fail.
Edit: By the way I should point out that I'm not saying you would have won if you farmed better etc. There're games that you just can't win, and that may have been one of those (hero selection really compounded things, as even if your Kat had picked a support like you hoped, aside from Cow your team would really have struggled in the tank/initiate department, so in that sense Kat wasn't *terrible* because with you + kat + talon you get really nice poking and good spacing for Fiddle to ult if they ever engage, or at least that's how the ideal would have been). But the main thing I want you to get is that you didn't play the absolute best, and in fact you shot yourself in the foot pretty hard with that sorc boot and the 23:45 Deathcap. The game was actually not that out of control if you'd been able to output good damage, because the Kayle was decently farmed and ramming people.
On September 05 2011 10:58 TieN.nS) wrote: Player: Eyedrinker Champion: Sona Game Type: 5v5 Ranked Solo Queue (1800 Elo) Region: NA Description: First Sona game since release week, I think I played well and trolled VMan7 pretty well too. Would like Sona tips though if I'm doing stuff wrong.
So basically you got carried by a Kog, who played pretty well, against a Vayne, who did the FOTM Wriggles build only Wriggles is horrible for her in that matchup (MUST win exchanges, if she'd opened DBlade and gotten another one you would have lost every single one of those exchanges and the game would have turned out differently), effectively axing both Taric AND Vayne for most of the game while feeding Kog and Sona some charity gold. Then they do a charity dive after Dragon to let you guys back into the game. By being stingy and opting for HoG at a crucial ward timing you, in turn, allowed their Talon and WW back into the game. Mord was being a Brazilian.
Incidentally if you were Lux, Morg, Janna, even Zilean, you would have done even better in lane, and been a much more effective babysitter. Fortunately the other team sucked and couldn't focus fire worth shit (VMan kept failing 1v1s to KM - you weren't even there to babysit him lol, fail) and Soraka's still OP so your team won 4v5 anyways (though Sona ult is nice). But enough ragging on terrible heroes.
Heh, the funny thing is that I usually ward/oracle whore and do not buy gold items at all. It was only after getting in some high-elo games where my build was scapegoated (somehow d-ring stack and constant oracle+wards on Taric is a terrible build and I should have Aegis and all this other shit when we're getting no kills) that I started getting gold items. And it was only at the recommendation of GoD JB, who duo queued with me the other night on a smurf, that I really decided to try rushing them. As for leveling Q first, I would normally have done that but in pregame select I asked which ability people wanted first and they said W, lol. But yeah, usually as blue I will ward near dragon but for some reason I didn't feel safe enough to walk the few extra steps there. Honestly I'm very diligent about warding as I said and normally buy stacks of 5 every back, but now I'm a bit conflicted as good players have told me that gold item rush is essential. I actually prefer my old buy d-ring and wards every back if money, else just wards. As for my sweeping, I hope I wasn't as bad at it as you're making me sound haha. I'm careful about it when I don't have CV up and there are people missing, or maybe sweeped the blue brush when you weren't looking somehow. :x Ok thanks for comments, I'll go back to d-ring stack or maybe just one philo into d-rings and sweep harder~~
I have no problem with gold stack as it's a preference. My point was that you would go back and buy an HoG and 1 ward instead of buying like Ruby and 3-4 wards, and the lack of that extra ward or two led to the death of mid who would then lose lane -> talon + ww mapcontrol.
Edit: By around the bush I mean like, you know that small bush baron-side, you'd drop a ward and then not actually check inside it for a ward. Random little stuff like that.
The Taric was worse, in that last baron fight you guys literally had half their jungle warded and Taric honest to goodness walked past all the wards and never seemed to notice, until he was backing off and THEN he noticed the one above the wraith camp. lol.
On September 06 2011 04:08 Southlight wrote: Sponge time.
Funky wonderful matchups. By the way to answer your question in the PM I'm actually a believer in that the current AD + support strat is now vastly overrated bot lane. I know people have a hard time putting their egos aside and sharing farm but double nuke or whatnot is actually significantly stronger and viable, even if people don't think it's doable anymore. I especially like stuff like Morg and Kennen bot because they have very good defensive capabilities, a low-farm ult (still hurts without farm while adding a lot to teamfights) while having the capability to hit like a truck. It just means shared responsibility to an extent with warding... but people are lazy and find it easier to just heap responsibility on one person, then rage at them when they don't match perception. Typical solo queue mind I suppose.
For instance I saw a Cait + Irelia stomp Soraka + Vayne bot. Such is life.
I actually think you could have given Kat mid and you take bot, because you're much more effective without the level advantage than Kat (who blows without 6) but w/e.
Off that bat top is a dangerous lane (Talon may lose) while bot is rather... interesting. Amusingly Kat gives you an anti-Soraka, and because of the mixed damage Soraka can't actually prevent the damage. And boom right as I say that Talon dies. I see, Jarv sposed to be jungle. Now Karth is here. HOW DOES SOMEONE DIE 2v1 oh I see. They traded, guess that's ok if Kayle can farm up in absence.
I don't know this matchup at all (I've never played Brand) but I feel like you really could just push the lane and force the Soraka to lose last hits or tank the creep. Instead you're playing it normally and not applying any sort of pressure to Soraka. I dunno hwy people do this. Her sustain isn't very good anymore.
The prince returns.
Dat Talon.
Kind of a nondescript game so far. I do notice your last hitting is really subpar though. You should be up by so much more CS but you keep missing random ones. This builds up if you really want to make up for bad teammates. Also your reaction speed to the Jarv gank was a bit slow. Flash on ult was also a bit slow.
You honestly should probably just request a laneswitch with FeedWinz at the moment. Also Sorc boot horrible idea. With the gold you had, you shoulda simply bought an NLR.
This late into the game (12 minutes) your AP is startlingly low. The Sorc boots doesn't even really matter. You really should be stampeding people with your unimpeded farm but... yeah.
For future reference please don't buy a quick Sorc boots unless you're doing really early shenanigans. Otherwise sorc boots are one of the worst boots in the game. All you're doing is farming. So all you did was help the other team by delaying your NLR for no good reason.
Now you have it, but sold a DRing? That makes no sense, sell the potion lol.
If you simply turned around and took on the Karth you woulda killed him. And if you can't, you failed solo mid. That sorc boot really hurts because you have no deathcap at the 20 minute mark. You just delayed your deathcap AGAIN with an Amp Tome, but all this does is un-do your curious selling of DRing. Love that double ult on Kat, that's so awesome hahah.
At this point flashing to attempt a kill one their most insignificant hero isn't really worth it.
And now with your team coming you ran away. #1 solo mid carry.
23:45 Deathcap. This is horrendous for a solo mid AP hero who wants Deathcap. Also I dunno why you were waiting behind their team when they went for your inhib. Your team has no tank, you can't initiate into them. The only thing you can do is wait for them to come to you, esp as they have 2 tanks. By going behind them you force one of your heroes to initiate, which won't happen - instead you were horribly out of position while your Fiddle got killed.
Also, amusingly, you LOST your mid lane. It just isn't as obvious as a deaths. Your farm was piss-poor, your items were piss-poor, for having laned against a hero that you could really just push down. You also opened an AP heavy build (DRings) yet did nothing with it (one token gank bot like 10 mins into game), and rushed a boots that you didn't even use (one token gank bot like 10 mins into game).
If you're an AP carry you're supposed to get gold, either by farming like hell or by ganking (preferably both, esp. on heroes like Malz/Brand that can push and then gank), so that regardless of how your team looks on kills/deaths you just walk in 20 mins into the game, take Blue Buff, and destroy teams. That's why they're so strong. But you failed at that. You got your single core item 23:45 into a game. That's like buying BF Sword at 23:45 as an AD carry. It's a very obvious fail.
Edit: By the way I should point out that I'm not saying you would have won if you farmed better etc. There're games that you just can't win, and that may have been one of those (hero selection really compounded things, as even if your Kat had picked a support like you hoped, aside from Cow your team would really have struggled in the tank/initiate department, so in that sense Kat wasn't *terrible* because with you + kat + talon you get really nice poking and good spacing for Fiddle to ult if they ever engage, or at least that's how the ideal would have been). But the main thing I want you to get is that you didn't play the absolute best, and in fact you shot yourself in the foot pretty hard with that sorc boot and the 23:45 Deathcap. The game was actually not that out of control if you'd been able to output good damage, because the Kayle was decently farmed and ramming people.
I prefer to do youtube but I've got a lovely migraine at the moment and don't feel like hearing anything, much less my own voice by talking, lol. Been on and off the puter all weekend. Went and took a shortcut and just typed it instead of waiting until halfway through the week 'cause of work+school days. If Neo doesn't do the XZ one I'ma do that when I'm next free.
Player: bly08 Champion: Cait Game Type: 5v5 ranked team Reigon: NA Description: 5s ranked vs Chinese team we.giga. A pretty short game where we basically did a lot of little things worse. I don't do much this game besides farmed but I died to a gank bot which led to an early dragon and their advantage just snowballed from there. Was wondering exactly what we didn't do as well as them.
Player: Player Champion: Vayne Game Type: 5v5 team ranked Reigon: NA Description: Funny game vs XAN where they ran kass + maokai bot lane. I am a really bad and inexperienced vayne but I thought their comp and how they played was pretty funny.
On September 06 2011 04:08 Southlight wrote: Sponge time.
Funky wonderful matchups. By the way to answer your question in the PM I'm actually a believer in that the current AD + support strat is now vastly overrated bot lane. I know people have a hard time putting their egos aside and sharing farm but double nuke or whatnot is actually significantly stronger and viable, even if people don't think it's doable anymore. I especially like stuff like Morg and Kennen bot because they have very good defensive capabilities, a low-farm ult (still hurts without farm while adding a lot to teamfights) while having the capability to hit like a truck. It just means shared responsibility to an extent with warding... but people are lazy and find it easier to just heap responsibility on one person, then rage at them when they don't match perception. Typical solo queue mind I suppose.
For instance I saw a Cait + Irelia stomp Soraka + Vayne bot. Such is life.
I actually think you could have given Kat mid and you take bot, because you're much more effective without the level advantage than Kat (who blows without 6) but w/e.
Off that bat top is a dangerous lane (Talon may lose) while bot is rather... interesting. Amusingly Kat gives you an anti-Soraka, and because of the mixed damage Soraka can't actually prevent the damage. And boom right as I say that Talon dies. I see, Jarv sposed to be jungle. Now Karth is here. HOW DOES SOMEONE DIE 2v1 oh I see. They traded, guess that's ok if Kayle can farm up in absence.
I don't know this matchup at all (I've never played Brand) but I feel like you really could just push the lane and force the Soraka to lose last hits or tank the creep. Instead you're playing it normally and not applying any sort of pressure to Soraka. I dunno hwy people do this. Her sustain isn't very good anymore.
The prince returns.
Dat Talon.
Kind of a nondescript game so far. I do notice your last hitting is really subpar though. You should be up by so much more CS but you keep missing random ones. This builds up if you really want to make up for bad teammates. Also your reaction speed to the Jarv gank was a bit slow. Flash on ult was also a bit slow.
You honestly should probably just request a laneswitch with FeedWinz at the moment. Also Sorc boot horrible idea. With the gold you had, you shoulda simply bought an NLR.
This late into the game (12 minutes) your AP is startlingly low. The Sorc boots doesn't even really matter. You really should be stampeding people with your unimpeded farm but... yeah.
For future reference please don't buy a quick Sorc boots unless you're doing really early shenanigans. Otherwise sorc boots are one of the worst boots in the game. All you're doing is farming. So all you did was help the other team by delaying your NLR for no good reason.
Now you have it, but sold a DRing? That makes no sense, sell the potion lol.
If you simply turned around and took on the Karth you woulda killed him. And if you can't, you failed solo mid. That sorc boot really hurts because you have no deathcap at the 20 minute mark. You just delayed your deathcap AGAIN with an Amp Tome, but all this does is un-do your curious selling of DRing. Love that double ult on Kat, that's so awesome hahah.
At this point flashing to attempt a kill one their most insignificant hero isn't really worth it.
And now with your team coming you ran away. #1 solo mid carry.
23:45 Deathcap. This is horrendous for a solo mid AP hero who wants Deathcap. Also I dunno why you were waiting behind their team when they went for your inhib. Your team has no tank, you can't initiate into them. The only thing you can do is wait for them to come to you, esp as they have 2 tanks. By going behind them you force one of your heroes to initiate, which won't happen - instead you were horribly out of position while your Fiddle got killed.
Also, amusingly, you LOST your mid lane. It just isn't as obvious as a deaths. Your farm was piss-poor, your items were piss-poor, for having laned against a hero that you could really just push down. You also opened an AP heavy build (DRings) yet did nothing with it (one token gank bot like 10 mins into game), and rushed a boots that you didn't even use (one token gank bot like 10 mins into game).
If you're an AP carry you're supposed to get gold, either by farming like hell or by ganking (preferably both, esp. on heroes like Malz/Brand that can push and then gank), so that regardless of how your team looks on kills/deaths you just walk in 20 mins into the game, take Blue Buff, and destroy teams. That's why they're so strong. But you failed at that. You got your single core item 23:45 into a game. That's like buying BF Sword at 23:45 as an AD carry. It's a very obvious fail.
Edit: By the way I should point out that I'm not saying you would have won if you farmed better etc. There're games that you just can't win, and that may have been one of those (hero selection really compounded things, as even if your Kat had picked a support like you hoped, aside from Cow your team would really have struggled in the tank/initiate department, so in that sense Kat wasn't *terrible* because with you + kat + talon you get really nice poking and good spacing for Fiddle to ult if they ever engage, or at least that's how the ideal would have been). But the main thing I want you to get is that you didn't play the absolute best, and in fact you shot yourself in the foot pretty hard with that sorc boot and the 23:45 Deathcap. The game was actually not that out of control if you'd been able to output good damage, because the Kayle was decently farmed and ramming people.
Thanks man! My last hitting is usually better than that but i'm using a secondary mouse and my internet goes to shit after like 12 GMT but wanted to get a replay for you. I don't really play solo mid much I usually jungle, so didn't really know when to push/not to but I can see your point, I was just worried about running out of mana and people seem to not want to give up blue in my ELO solo Q that often. S2 starting soon so i'll play some then and see if this helps.
Something you should try to be a bit more comfortable with doing is simply cycling through all your mana to push a lane and then back. Especially when you start cutting low on mana from harass. This is especially the case when you're laned against a harasser, as it's somewhat demoralizing to spend all your time harassing and then they just back "early" enough that they can't actually get you killed :>
Incidentally triple DRing with some decent mana management generally gives most AP heroes a fairly consistent mana pool. That along with the AP is why people do DRing stack. If you're still worried about sustain then you might as well open Catalyst, which doesn't give you AP but gives you good mana.
Not sure yet, looking at free time (gaming last night was mostly an eyeroll at the week extend but I think I might be fine, so then I'll be not playing again, which would clear up free time), but I've got class tomorrow. The most realistic time for me to do it would be Friday, so if Neo wants to do it before then he'll do it. Else I'll do it then. If that sounds good :p
Player: ak1knight Champion: Maokai Game Type: Normal (Level 20) Reigon: NA Description: In pregame chat Ryze says he's the best Ryze ever, he and Ez both go AD. Just a replay for the lols, really low level stuff lol. Outcome: + Show Spoiler +
Me and AD Ryze dominate top, and I get a double before level 3, I end up going 13/2/19 and we don't lose a single tower.
Player: JayDizzie Champion: Master Yi Game Type: 5v5 Ranked (1400 ELO) Region: EU West Description: Jungling as Yi, was a 45min game but they always were in the lead cos mid/bot both fed them some kills at the start. Got an early oracles cos of all the wards stopping me ganking Link: http://hotfile.com/dl/129454799/0772b93/replay_10-09-11_11-41-28.lrf.html
On August 29 2011 16:27 57 Corvette wrote: Player: Hiicantpk Champion: Xin Zhao Game Type: 5v5 Ranked Solo Queue (<1200 ELO) Reigon: NA Description: Jungle Xin, showing how powerful level 2 ganks are if you gank a lane with a stunner. I proceed to noob it up, but we get a 20 min baron and they surrender. I'd love feedback (hopefully some that will help me improve so i can get myself out of 1100ELO)
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But I messed up the volume so it's kinda fubar.
Umm, bear in mind that I don't play nor like XZ, so this is coming from an outside perspective, but I had major issues with your jungling route, incl. the fact that you blow Smite on minigols instead of blue wraith. I'm fairly certain you're supposed to be able to clear minigols without Smite. Little stuff like the fact that the level 2 gank only worked because Swain was a horrible player aside (and little quips) you can figure. My main issue with your jungling and your play in general was that you were horribly inefficient. You cleared really slowly, smited mostly-dead creep for no reason, didn't seem to have set paths thought out, and often ran across the map to try to get to fights that you only made it to because the other team was really bad and dumb. You had a potentially crippling brainfart by going into their blue and not backing off (you attacked the little creep) which essentially fed them two free kills, incl your solo top. Your team also got away with the fact their whole team was just really bad, like Morg having shit CS and Swain just having 2 second reaction time and firing max-range W for no reason.
My suggestion would really be to watch XZ routes, practice them in custom games or whatnot to maximize efficiency. Don't expect Level 2 ganks to get you any gold - usually the kill is cherry on top, the real effect is to fuck up someone's lane and tilt what otherwise could be an even or inferior lane. That means you need to maximize your route so that even when you take that early detour you don't fall behind.
Edit: If you really want to carry, which I assume you do, always think about money. Money and exp. Kills are always a trade-off because the time and effort you spent getting TO the location is usually not worth the money you gain, unless your jungle is empty, at which point you have "nothing else to do" and so you gank. Generally when you would go gank with a full jungle though you run the risk of having a net negative, and so you fall behind.
Your goal as jungler is to always be higher level than duo lanes, but you were actually lower level. That speaks to how far behind you were personally, and even in such a one-sided game your actual item count was dreadful. Money money money.
LoL ambient sounds were louder than your voice. >_> n1 ootuh.
I haven't watched the entire clip yet but I'll have to interject and say that I smite golems too if I'm doing the non-Blue route (especially if you level 2 gank as Xin). I understand using smite on big Wraith means you clear the camp faster but it's really a nonissue if you EQ into the big wraith. With Knock up and Q AS buff, Wraith isn't going to leech enough to make you waste time at that camp.
Edit: yeah, I can't hear anything you say. Open Volume Mixer that shit and mute LoL if you're going to commentate in the future. You get an A- for effort.
Hmm, if you can do blue wraith without smite then that's fine, he just clearly walked past it though so I figured he didn't do it because he can't do it without smite... which is brutal to me.
On September 11 2011 07:40 Southlight wrote: Yeah I know :p That's why I said fubar.
Hmm, if you can do blue wraith without smite then that's fine, he just clearly walked past it though so I figured he didn't do it because he can't do it without smite... which is brutal to me.
I don't know why, but I still follow an old XZ guide I found on solomid or something that had the jungle route listed as minigolems (smite one), wraiths, wolves, b for boots, minigolems (smite one), wraiths, wolves, blue (smite), minigolems, red (smite), wraiths wolves. Usually it would get me level 6 for a gank, but I had seen a bunch of TLers in the XZ thread talking about his awesome lvl 2 ganks.
I meant that you went minigol -> gank -> wolf. You also would smite 1/3rd hp main wolf instead of just finishing it and walking over to clear Wraith before backing, and such. The route just seemed so unrefined and such :/
Oh. Yeahh.. That was just a stupid move on my part. I wasn't used to lvl 2 ganking at that time, so I wasn't sure if I could clear wraiths without W. Turns out Xin is capable of doing just that as long as smite is up. I don't know why I smited the wolf though.
Mmhmm. Anyways from more of a game perspective most of it just boils down to you skipping money/exp in favor of jumping to combat... which you really shouldn't be doing :> If you don't want a fight to break out tell them, or tell them you're not gonna be coming to a fight unless you're really close. But when you're at wolf and they start fighting at enemy blue you really shouldn't be running cross-map to join the fight, especially at that juncture of the game when heroes still explode really quickly.
Player: crazysk8er Champion: Nocturne Game Type: 5v5 Ranked, 1350 ELO (1520 S1) Region: NA Description: Ganked top consistently and we got all the dragons early, but we still lost. It felt like we could've/should've won though, hoping someone can give me some tips and pointers about what I could've done better. Link: [url blocked]
I know this is somewhat of a bump, but this game frustrated me a little bit and I'm honestly looking for some good insight and pointers to improve
Player: Hiicantpk Champion: Galio Game Type: 5v5 Custom (Tournament Game) Region: US Description: Laning top against singed, great teamwork. Link: [url blocked]
I just have a question for you and plz help me, I love to play SC2 team games and want to look at replays for some new strats but I can't find a good place for 2v2 replays (don't even have to be pro replays) I just want a lot of them. Maybe a site with replays which you can then enter 2v2 in the search? (cuz most sites dont let you do this)
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For the sake of trying to keep this thread alive..
Player: Hiicantpk Champion: Gragas Game Type: 5v5 Ranked Solo queue (1250ish ELO) Region: NA Description: Example game of laning against Cassio with Gragas, although the Cass player was kinda bad. Link: http://www.leaguereplays.com/replays/match/325636/
Player: Shepherd Ice Champion: Vayne Game Type: 5v5 Ranked Solo queue (900 Elo Range) Region: USA Description: This is me attemption to play vayne. My team fed darius and ultimately led to our defeat. But i care more about what i did wrong. Link: http://www.leaguereplays.com/replays/match/1700295/http://www.leaguereplays.com/replays/match/1700295/
A quality(at least in my opinion) game. Looking for some feedback.
Player: Iunek Champion: soraka Game type: 5v5 custom game (weekly Polish esl cup) 1900-2450 elo range Region: EUNE Description: 1 hour intense game full of back and forth action, destroyed inhibitors, and world level throws. Link: http://www.leaguereplays.com/replays/match/1410099/
Looking for some feedback/your opinion why the game had that result
On August 25 2012 18:20 Shepherd_Ice wrote: Player: Shepherd Ice Champion: Vayne Game Type: 5v5 Ranked Solo queue (900 Elo Range) Region: USA Description: This is me attemption to play vayne. My team fed darius and ultimately led to our defeat. But i care more about what i did wrong. Link: http://www.leaguereplays.com/replays/match/1700295/http://www.leaguereplays.com/replays/match/1700295/
- Should take either heal or cleanse on Vayne - Max Q not W - Too much inefficient harass at lv1, made you miss cs. - Tell Taric to ward tribrush and not river brush - Fight at 8:50, bad flash led to no kill, awful dive after. - Stop talking - 15:20 fight, didn't kite, couldve killed both. - Then you keep talking like Darius being fed is the reason you died.
Gonna stop watching, game was carriable at all points, you instead started talking midway through and missed every opportunity to turn the game around. You also tunnel way too much in fights, learn to switch targets when you're getting hit for free. Overall, this is the kind of game you should be carrying 100% if you think you don't belong at your elo.
vayne pretty much dropped off the face of the planet in a lot of tournaments, but is still played quite a bit on chinese/taiwan servers from what i've streams. they seem to favor a w max, fast attack speed build. wriggles (optional), pd, black cleaver seems like a popular choice.
also lane switching means if you can get vayne in a 2v1 you can get around her shitty laning.
Player: Yiruru Champion: Brand Game Type: 5v5 Ranked (1600 team ELO, I'm 2900 elo) Region: NA
Description:
I was pissed from the game before when smash DC'd so my jungler couldn't get me any blue buffs. In this game I bait the other jungler to come multiple times but bly never counterganked for me or helped me. So after 3 deaths I decide to troll him by building 4 gp10s and staying mid all game long without buying any items. I watch my team lose multiple team fights and almost the game before they somehow catch the enemy jungler and get baron. With 11k in the bank I finally spend my gold and proceed to get a quadra kill in the last fight.
On September 25 2012 09:41 zulu_nation8 wrote: Player: Yiruru Champion: Brand Game Type: 5v5 Ranked (1600 team ELO, I'm 2900 elo) Region: NA
Description:
I was pissed from the game before when smash DC'd so my jungler couldn't get me any blue buffs. In this game I bait the other jungler to come multiple times but bly never counterganked for me or helped me. So after 3 deaths I decide to troll him by building 4 gp10s and staying mid all game long without buying any items. I watch my team lose multiple team fights and almost the game before they somehow catch the enemy jungler and get baron. With 11k in the bank I finally spend my gold and proceed to get a quadra kill in the last fight.
I made a ranked 5s team 2 weeks ago with random people on my friend list and an irl friend, and we were able to get 1842 on the ranked 5s ladder. This is a replay pack of every game from 1500 on. I played jungle, the champion pool varies until 1700+ where most of the games were amumu. Hope this is helpful, thanks to milo and ghandi for the suggestion.
On November 13 2012 16:40 zulu_nation8 wrote: I made a ranked 5s team 2 weeks ago with random people on my friend list and an irl friend, and we were able to get 1842 on the ranked 5s ladder. This is a replay pack of every game from 1500 on. I played jungle, the champion pool varies until 1700+ where most of the games were amumu. Hope this is helpful, thanks to milo and ghandi for the suggestion.
On November 13 2012 16:40 zulu_nation8 wrote: I made a ranked 5s team 2 weeks ago with random people on my friend list and an irl friend, and we were able to get 1842 on the ranked 5s ladder. This is a replay pack of every game from 1500 on. I played jungle, the champion pool varies until 1700+ where most of the games were amumu. Hope this is helpful, thanks to milo and ghandi for the suggestion.
On November 13 2012 16:40 zulu_nation8 wrote: I made a ranked 5s team 2 weeks ago with random people on my friend list and an irl friend, and we were able to get 1842 on the ranked 5s ladder. This is a replay pack of every game from 1500 on. I played jungle, the champion pool varies until 1700+ where most of the games were amumu. Hope this is helpful, thanks to milo and ghandi for the suggestion.
Did you also save the ones where you were win trading? Those are more interesting to watch.
We were one game away with 3 hours left and a team we beat 3-2 offered, majority ruled so I agreed. ChoBz I genuinely apologize if I offended your morals. This is a thread for posting League of Legends replays, I would appreciate it if you did not try to derail.
Edit: by majority rules I meant I could've technically disbanded the team to prevent them from doing it, but honestly I don't give a shit LOL.
On November 13 2012 16:40 zulu_nation8 wrote: I made a ranked 5s team 2 weeks ago with random people on my friend list and an irl friend, and we were able to get 1842 on the ranked 5s ladder. This is a replay pack of every game from 1500 on. I played jungle, the champion pool varies until 1700+ where most of the games were amumu. Hope this is helpful, thanks to milo and ghandi for the suggestion.
Did you also save the ones where you were win trading? Those are more interesting to watch.
We were one game away with 3 hours left and a team we beat 3-2 offered, majority rules so I agreed. Sorry if TL B wasn't able to get it. We lost to you guys too you guys are really good. But more importantly I wanna focus on the non wintraded games to 1842.
Edit: by majority rules I meant I could've technically disbanded the team to prevent them from doing it, but honestly I don't give a shit LOL.
Aww you edited out the Lol for the TL B not making diamond. It's okay we got our solo diamonds yeahhh. Sorry for derailing thread. I'm sure the pack has some good jungler stuff in there.
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Pro ult by the way, don't waste it anyways you wouldn't have killed him through his ult (was still channeling and stun doesn't break channel). The Q as Kog came was bad, you should have prepared a snare proc off E->passive to snare, might have snared him down, eps. if you kept your ult.
