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HazMat
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States17077 Posts
August 01 2011 21:31 GMT
#61
On August 01 2011 17:54 locodoco wrote:
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On July 28 2011 20:08 TacToSs wrote:
So I'm trying to decide whether or not to buy ap per level yellows but unsure of what other characters would benefit from using them. I have Karthus and Anivia so that's only two characters, any other champs come to mind for using ap level yellows?

90% of the ap champs use ap / lvl yellows

Yiruru told me to get flat ap yellows and ap/lvl blues.
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spinesheath
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Germany8679 Posts
August 01 2011 22:05 GMT
#62
On August 02 2011 06:31 HazMat wrote:
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On August 01 2011 17:54 locodoco wrote:
On July 28 2011 20:08 TacToSs wrote:
So I'm trying to decide whether or not to buy ap per level yellows but unsure of what other characters would benefit from using them. I have Karthus and Anivia so that's only two characters, any other champs come to mind for using ap level yellows?

90% of the ap champs use ap / lvl yellows

Yiruru told me to get flat ap yellows and ap/lvl blues.

The flat : scaling AP ratio is 6 : 1 for both seals and glyphs, makes no sense to take different types unless you have some very specific reason to get X AP at level 1-5.

Well, the ratio is actually something like 5.82 : 1 for glyphs and 5.9 : 1 for seals. So if you want flat AP on either of those, get it on seals. But that (to be precise: less than) 0.08 ratio difference doesn't suddenly make scaling seals worse than flat seals.
If you have a good reason to disagree with the above, please tell me. Thank you.
Blitzkrieg0
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States13132 Posts
August 01 2011 22:52 GMT
#63
At what level do lvl AP overtake flats? Unless you're playing a champion that's extremely front weighted like Leblanc it seems pretty pointless to use flats unless you're going to play extremely aggressive from level 1-5.
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spinesheath
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Germany8679 Posts
August 02 2011 07:10 GMT
#64
On August 02 2011 07:52 Blitzkrieg0 wrote:
At what level do lvl AP overtake flats? Unless you're playing a champion that's extremely front weighted like Leblanc it seems pretty pointless to use flats unless you're going to play extremely aggressive from level 1-5.

Shouldn't it be obvious from my previous post? 6 : 1 ratio for flat : scaling means that scaling = flat at level 6. And since the ratio is a tiny bit lower than that, scaling is actually better than flat at lvl 6.
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kepael
Profile Joined July 2011
United States177 Posts
August 04 2011 17:39 GMT
#65
Thanks for the guide. I'm about to hit 20 with 12k IP saved up and I've been wondering what exactly I'm going to prioritize
BlackMagister
Profile Joined October 2008
United States5834 Posts
September 05 2011 04:20 GMT
#66
I just hit level 20 and I'm wondering what I should buy for runes too. I want to make a generic page that will help for every type of character so I'm guessing defense and magic resist first? Armor since I want to try and jungle and it's difficult with Amumu without armor so I guess flat armor is the way to go?
Blitzkrieg0
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States13132 Posts
September 05 2011 04:51 GMT
#67
Mpen marks armor seals mr(lvl) glyphs and movespeed or AP quints. AP quints would get a lot more overall use, because they're pretty standard on any caster. A more standard jungle page would have attack speed or armor pen marks, but mumu is a caster jungler.

The choice between scaling and flat mr runes is probably the hardest choice you'll ever make in league of legends.
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Navi
Profile Joined November 2009
5286 Posts
September 05 2011 04:57 GMT
#68
scaling if u jungle more
flat if u lane more
they're cheap so either way after you get most runepages out if you're interested getting the other set is relatively affordable
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Uproot
Profile Joined August 2011
United States22 Posts
September 05 2011 06:49 GMT
#69
Thanks for the great guide, answered a lot of questions and I learned a lot.
Noob question, but if I'm playing an caster, what would be better?
Magic Pen, or Ability Power?
Beyonder
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
Netherlands15103 Posts
November 04 2011 12:38 GMT
#70
What are the best runes to get for jungle now? Has anything changed?

I was thinking

Yellow: armor flat
blue: magic resist flat
red: increased attack speed flat
Quint: armor penetr

is this still fine?
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jtype
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
England2167 Posts
November 04 2011 12:52 GMT
#71
That's definitely a decent set. I think a lot of people are favouring Arpen Reds and AD quints instead for a standard-ish page these days though.
Beyonder
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
Netherlands15103 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-04 13:04:06
November 04 2011 13:03 GMT
#72
I see, thanks. So for sure:

Yellow: Armor flat
Blue: MR flat

Right? I can start buying these then Ive played almost only AP heroes till now, haha, need to convert.
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NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
November 04 2011 13:36 GMT
#73
If you main AP, you should probably get Mana/5/Level Yellows and AP/Level Blues.
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Beyonder
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
Netherlands15103 Posts
November 04 2011 13:54 GMT
#74
Yeah I get those, these are for my junglers :D
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NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
November 04 2011 13:57 GMT
#75
Bruisers Flat Armor, Flat MR
Junglers Flat Armor, MR/Level
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mordek
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States12704 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-04 14:06:04
November 04 2011 14:03 GMT
#76
I wish I had seen this guide sooner... was just going off some random discussions in general, this sums things up nicely.

Edit: So I have ArPen reds but no quint yet (or Aspeed reds) and I normally play WW or some other jungle. Does it make sense to get ASpeed quint or ArPen?
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necrosed
Profile Joined March 2011
Brazil885 Posts
November 04 2011 14:59 GMT
#77
Useful stuff for starting junglers:

Marks: ArPen and Attack Speed, 3 flat AD marks.
Seals: Flat Armor
Glyphs: Scaling MR
Quints: Flat AD, Flat ArPen, Flat AS.

With those runes you can make jungling pages for most junglers in the game.
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mr_tolkien
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
France8631 Posts
November 04 2011 15:43 GMT
#78
On November 04 2011 23:59 necrosed wrote:
Useful stuff for starting junglers:

Marks: ArPen and Attack Speed, 3 flat AD marks.
Seals: Flat Armor
Glyphs: Scaling MR
Quints: Flat AD, Flat ArPen, Flat AS.

With those runes you can make jungling pages for most junglers in the game.

MS quints are also wonderful on a lot of junglers, and it ALSO makes clearing faster in fact ^^
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Blitzkrieg0
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States13132 Posts
November 04 2011 15:59 GMT
#79
You want to hit 12 armor penetration on most junglers. Some top players like Saint use even more armor penetration to make their ganks stronger while slowing down their jungle.

If you aren't running offense tree you'd need 2 arpen marks to go along with those quints to hit the magic number.
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Navi
Profile Joined November 2009
5286 Posts
November 04 2011 17:18 GMT
#80
mr / level catches up to flat mr at like level 12 or 13 or something
and by that point most junglers who want MR will itemize for MR in some sort or form
junglers like oddone who put themselves at danger at early levels via counterjungling and ganking switched over to flat mr on all pages a while ago i think
flats are all around a lot more versatile though
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