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On May 24 2011 12:08 TheYango wrote:Hardly a nerf, seeing as once your itemized AD comprises more than 20% of your total AD, you break even, and after that it's giving you more than before (seeing as it multiplies off total AD/AP rather than base). Champs that don't build significant amounts of AD (e.g. casters and tanks) weren't getting it before anyway, so it's not a huge loss to them. Probably the most notable thing about this change is that it's a slight nerf for people that were using the fact that Havoc scaled total AD with regard to AD-scaling abilities. And even then it might not be a nerf depending on how the math works out.
Yea, I'm thinking the Havoc change was a nice buff. Too lazy to crunch out any numbers right now, I'm sure someone will pretty soon.
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wow riot giving me everything i wanted for carrys
the bf item buff,making 21 offense scale,now all they need to do is give ad carrys a decent attackspeed item and we're set ! :3
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On May 24 2011 12:50 locodoco wrote:
wow riot giving me everything i wanted for carrys
the bf item buff,making 21 offense scale,now all they need to do is give ad carrys a decent attackspeed item and we're set ! :3
Riot's baiting you loco.
As soon as you take the bait they going to take everything you hold dear.
Then you have to go into hiding again.
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Not sure how I feel about Irelia's ult dealing physical damage now. Is this good or bad?
Giving Vlad a healing nerf after making Hextech Spellvamp Unique seems redundant and an overkill.
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On May 24 2011 15:10 his_shadow wrote:
Not sure how I feel about Irelia's ult dealing physical damage now. Is this good or bad?
Giving Vlad a healing nerf after making Hextech Spellvamp Unique seems redundant and an overkill.
Good if you don't play irelia. It's a nerf to her. Champs have more armor than MR, so it dealing physical damage naturally will reduce the damage her ult deals just by lvling up, regardless of items.
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On May 24 2011 12:31 ArC_man wrote:Show nested quote +On May 24 2011 12:08 TheYango wrote:On May 24 2011 12:01 MoonBear wrote:
Also, 21 Offenseive Tree nerf. Hardly a nerf, seeing as once your itemized AD comprises more than 20% of your total AD, you break even, and after that it's giving you more than before (seeing as it multiplies off total AD/AP rather than base). Champs that don't build significant amounts of AD (e.g. casters and tanks) weren't getting it before anyway, so it's not a huge loss to them. Probably the most notable thing about this change is that it's a slight nerf for people that were using the fact that Havoc scaled total AD with regard to AD-scaling abilities. And even then it might not be a nerf depending on how the math works out. Yea, I'm thinking the Havoc change was a nice buff. Too lazy to crunch out any numbers right now, I'm sure someone will pretty soon.
Math is easy.
If a spell does 300 damage with a .5 AP ratio, you need 150 AP for the two to be equivalent. At a .8 ratio that shrinks to 94, and at a 1 AP ratio it's only 75.
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I see rageblade as a baller item on irelia now lol.
Kog buffs <3 yay love that champ.
revolver nerfs needed, no comment there
not sure if I like the alistar nerfs or not because it seems people will just start bulding him AD again now lol
Annie is gonna be so fotm 
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On May 24 2011 10:45 Goshawk. wrote:
Super short summary:
Annie buff.
Early game alistar nerf.
Kog buff.
Spell vamp unique.
Irilea change/nerf.
Vayne nerf.
hurts him a lot more lategame than early game when hes got 600+AP
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On May 24 2011 12:50 locodoco wrote:
wow riot giving me everything i wanted for carrys
the bf item buff,making 21 offense scale,now all they need to do is give ad carrys a decent attackspeed item and we're set ! :3
How is Phantom Dancer not a decent attack speed item right now? Crit is highly efficient once you have IE, movespeed is great on ranged AD, and well, it gives ASpd.
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Am I the only one liking the name change ability? It will finally bring unity to clans or a close group of friends.
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The Havoc mastery now increases total physical and magic damage dealt by 4%, instead of increasing base physical and magic damage dealt by 5%
will my jax with around 15AD from runes and dorans blade and 21 offense do more damage in early levels or less?
i'm too dumb to get the numbers right
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Nothing I play ever gets buffed or nerfed. Guess I need to start finding champions to abuse.
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On May 24 2011 16:12 Seuss wrote:
Math is easy.
If a spell does 300 damage with a .5 AP ratio, you need 150 AP for the two to be equivalent. At a .8 ratio that shrinks to 94, and at a 1 AP ratio it's only 75.
The 21-offense change is pretty much only relevant to AD/AD scaling abilities because pretty much no AP caster wants any of the 4th and 5th tier offense masteries, and only wants 15% MPen from 3rd tier.
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On May 24 2011 21:24 TheYango wrote:Show nested quote +On May 24 2011 16:12 Seuss wrote:
Math is easy.
If a spell does 300 damage with a .5 AP ratio, you need 150 AP for the two to be equivalent. At a .8 ratio that shrinks to 94, and at a 1 AP ratio it's only 75. The 21-offense change is pretty much only relevant to AD/AD scaling abilities because pretty much no AP caster wants any of the 4th and 5th tier offense masteries, and only wants 15% MPen from 3rd tier.
Yep. For physical attacks, the math is also easy. Have 100 base AD? Grab a Pickaxe and you're breaking even with the old Havoc. Any more AD than that, and you're coming out ahead.
On May 24 2011 18:10 -Jacob- wrote:
Am I the only one liking the name change ability? It will finally bring unity to clans or a close group of friends.
New Items in the Store
Frostfire Annie
Wasteland Miss Fortune
Summoner Name Change
Prolly gonna cost RP.
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For those interested in what the new Patch will look like, Riot is currently streaming including some sneakpeeks at the new skins.
Phreak is also going BRAVE Kog'Maw.
http://www.own3d.tv/live/8624
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On May 24 2011 18:28 byFd wrote:Show nested quote +The Havoc mastery now increases total physical and magic damage dealt by 4%, instead of increasing base physical and magic damage dealt by 5% will my jax with around 15AD from runes and dorans blade and 21 offense do more damage in early levels or less? i'm too dumb to get the numbers right
It depends how the mastery functions with regard to AD scaling abilities now. Previously, AD scaling abilities with Havoc were being calculated as such:
(base damage + (1.05 * base AD + bonus AD) * (AD ratio)) * 1.05
That is, they were getting the 5% bonus on the base AD and then ALSO a 5% bonus on the total damage. Post-change, there are two ways they might change the calculation:
(base damage + 1.04 * AD * (AD ratio)) * 1.04
OR
(base damage + AD * (AD ratio)) * 1.04
With regard to straight autoattack damage, it's a simple case of whether your bonus AD comprises 20% or more of your total AD. With 18 bonus AD at level 1 (26 if you start Doran's Blade), it should be a buff for you even at early levels.
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Oh my god finally. How much is the summoner name change going to cost? 500000 RP? Fffff
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Name change won't help me unless I can force that guy who stole my nick on the US server to change his first.
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On May 24 2011 22:12 Haemonculus wrote:
Oh my god finally. How much is the summoner name change going to cost? 500000 RP? Fffff
It is currently 1RP on the Riot Internal Servers... But can not confirm how much it will be on live.
Some pretty pictures of the new Masteries Settings for your enjoyment:
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/am6tD.jpg)
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/Btfak.png)
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fuck yeah, my Annie got a buff, gonna be much more fun playing her now. Already stomp noobs with her now though
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