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arnath
Profile Joined May 2010
United States1317 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-24 19:01:30
June 24 2011 19:00 GMT
#18541
What exactly are you personally gaining by messing around in ranked solo instead of normals? Do you just gain some sick pleasure out of actively making the game worse for the people that DO want to actually play serious games in ranked?
Southlight
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States11768 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-24 19:06:02
June 24 2011 19:03 GMT
#18542
Man, some people are butthurt.

I fuck around in ranked because I have no distinction between ranked and normal, with the exception that I dick around more in normal so it's less likely that I'll have opponents that outclass random TL pickups and such.

As for dicking around later in "won games" it's because of complacency. This isn't some LoL-constrained phenomenon, and it's not a dbag phenomenon either, it's human nature. You're ahead, you feel comfortable enough to do something off the wall. Sometimes you pay for it. But whatever. The opportunity to have a 6000 gold lead and be able to buy a Gunblade is too tempting sometimes. And it's just one game anyways.

Edit:
Back when we tryharded 5rank I think most of our team also "fucked around" in solo ranked because it was the best way to testrun a concept or hero or whatever. Amazingly, normal games tend to be utterly garbage for actually giving something a good test. This usually means that we're trying some bizarro build or practicing a hero and not playing up to what our elo would suggest. It's also why I mentioned way back a year or so ago that solo queue is a crapshoot because you never know when that "high rated player" is checking something out, even if they're absolutely dead serious.
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spinesheath
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Germany8679 Posts
June 24 2011 19:04 GMT
#18543
On June 25 2011 03:48 JackDino wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 25 2011 03:45 spinesheath wrote:
On June 25 2011 03:37 Mogwai wrote:
it's a game you fucking tryhards, they're just trying to make a boring roflstomp fun by playing like retards. I don't understand why some people have this bitchy mentality when it comes to players playing a game and having fun with it rather than trying their hardest to make optimal plays all the time.

I'm a good player, I play hard, I play to win, I play tournaments, but LoL is still a game and I still wanna have fun with it. If I'm queueing up with friends and roflstomping, I'm going to do some crazy shit just to have fun and I don't understand why people gonna get all butthurt about pissing away a single game that was probably a ton of fun for everyone involved except the one guy who's still hung up about losing 12 elo.

You know, you could just tryhard in ranked and mess around in normals. Suddenly nobody has a reason to complain about dropping 12 elo.
Some people care about their elo, or at least they want to be informed that you are going to troll BEFORE you throw the game. It's not up to you to decide what other people should care about.

You could just mess around in ranked and tryhard in normals, it's not up to you to decide what other people should care about.

It wasn't me who decided that people care more about ranked elo and (a bit) less about normal games.
If someone is bothered by many other people being bothered by him trolling ranked games then that someone is well advised to change his attitude because changing the attitude of many other people is much harder to do than changing your own.

In other words: The majority is against trolling ranked games and you also are supposed to follow that Summoner's Code thingy which includes a no trolling guideline afaik. Either you follow the majority and the Summoner's Code or you deal with the consequences (QQ + possible ban).
If you have a good reason to disagree with the above, please tell me. Thank you.
Mogwai
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States13274 Posts
June 24 2011 19:04 GMT
#18544
we're talking premades here and probably normals at that. but what I'm saying is that it's fucking stupid to complain about your friends having a good time, going too far with their goofing off and ending up losing the game. Shikyo needs to stop dickriding Kerp because it's Kerp and start playing with people who won't piss away a lead if that's how he feels. different people play the game for different reasons and you can get mad about stuff in solo queue but getting mad and raging about premades is just stupid. Find a different premade if they don't have the necessary values for you to have a good time.
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TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
June 24 2011 19:05 GMT
#18545
How did we get to bashing trolling in ranked when Shikyo's situation is almost certainly a normal? Or if it is ranked, he SAID it was a premade, so everyone knows each other.

Yes it's dumb to troll people you don't know in solo queue. But if you're premading its really not that hard to get everyone on the same page.
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Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-24 19:09:13
June 24 2011 19:08 GMT
#18546
On June 25 2011 04:05 TheYango wrote:
How did we get to bashing trolling in ranked when Shikyo's situation is almost certainly a normal? Or if it is ranked, he SAID it was a premade, so everyone knows each other.

Yes it's dumb to troll people you don't know in solo queue. But if you're premading its really not that hard to get everyone on the same page.

it's normals, we were playing vs SK nRated and I wanted to brag about beating him, I even went 11-3-26 that game but noo people have to ruin it all

EDIT: And those people do normally try, they just got so cocky because they thought we win no matter what and that's what pisses me off
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
Mogwai
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States13274 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-24 19:11:03
June 24 2011 19:09 GMT
#18547
I shouldn't have even mentioned Elo (this is probably what got us into trolling solo ranked, which is a completely separate matter), but I'm thinking of things in terms of my IRL friends + Utah/Bear/Turkey where we hate playing against unfun shit so we just spam ranked without caring about the Elo just so we can use bans. Besides, I just don't think 5 man normal vs. ranked changes the siituation at all here. In premade, if they're not on your page about what's important, ditch them and play with people who do.

P.S. Last 2 pages should be moved to Memorial QQ Therapy thread, sorry for blowing a stupid tangent up.

EDIT: TL;DR for Shikyo. Get the fuck over it, in the grand scheme of things, no one gives a flying fuck about whether you beat some pro in a normal.
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spinesheath
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Germany8679 Posts
June 24 2011 19:10 GMT
#18548
On June 25 2011 04:04 Mogwai wrote:
we're talking premades here and probably normals at that. but what I'm saying is that it's fucking stupid to complain about your friends having a good time, going too far with their goofing off and ending up losing the game. Shikyo needs to stop dickriding Kerp because it's Kerp and start playing with people who won't piss away a lead if that's how he feels. different people play the game for different reasons and you can get mad about stuff in solo queue but getting mad and raging about premades is just stupid. Find a different premade if they don't have the necessary values for you to have a good time.

Well yeah I'm not disagreeing with that. Might have gotten off track somewhere.
If you have a good reason to disagree with the above, please tell me. Thank you.
MoonBear
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Straight outta Johto18973 Posts
June 24 2011 19:12 GMT
#18549
If it helps in any way, there's plans to introduce Normal Draft Pick so now you can try-hard and mess around in Normals without worrying about Elo.
ModeratorA dream. Do you have one that has cursed you like that? Or maybe... a wish?
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
June 24 2011 19:14 GMT
#18550
On June 25 2011 04:09 Mogwai wrote:
EDIT: TL;DR for Shikyo. Get the fuck over it, in the grand scheme of things, no one gives a flying fuck about whether you beat some pro in a normal.

Huh it was just 1 post to vent wasn't it? You guys are the ones starting a huge debate, I just don't understand why people can't keep playing properly until the end. That attitude also makes people lose games where they're losing, turnarounds happen more than you'd think if you just believe in yourself all the way.
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
June 24 2011 19:17 GMT
#18551
On June 25 2011 04:08 Shikyo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 25 2011 04:05 TheYango wrote:
How did we get to bashing trolling in ranked when Shikyo's situation is almost certainly a normal? Or if it is ranked, he SAID it was a premade, so everyone knows each other.

Yes it's dumb to troll people you don't know in solo queue. But if you're premading its really not that hard to get everyone on the same page.

it's normals, we were playing vs SK nRated and I wanted to brag about beating him, I even went 11-3-26 that game but noo people have to ruin it all

EDIT: And those people do normally try, they just got so cocky because they thought we win no matter what and that's what pisses me off

You realize how silly it is to say that Kerp pissed away your win by screwing around when nrated was probably screwing around to begin with?
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BlueBird.
Profile Joined August 2008
United States3890 Posts
June 24 2011 19:17 GMT
#18552
On June 25 2011 04:12 MoonBear wrote:
If it helps in any way, there's plans to introduce Normal Draft Pick so now you can try-hard and mess around in Normals without worrying about Elo.


I don't ever see Normals being a good place to try something out.

When I want to play a new champion or try a new build.. I learn that champ by grinding out ranked games, not normal games.

Also, I believe(not 100% sure) you can get reported for trolling normal games, and even custom games. Idk if the tribunal makes that distinction, that's a huge problem as far as I'm concerned, since I should be able to go into normal and custom and do whatever I want.

I think I've been reported a couple times for Gangplank Jungle last 2 days in ranked, even though it's super good , I know ive been que dodged twice when locking in first pick GP and saying im gonna jungle.

It's really strange, half the games I play in hes banned, so people know hes improved, but half the games I play in everyone freaks out if someone takes him, and say lol GP pick.

Currently Playing: Android Netrunner, Gwent, Gloomhaven, Board Games
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
June 24 2011 19:24 GMT
#18553
On June 25 2011 04:17 TheYango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 25 2011 04:08 Shikyo wrote:
On June 25 2011 04:05 TheYango wrote:
How did we get to bashing trolling in ranked when Shikyo's situation is almost certainly a normal? Or if it is ranked, he SAID it was a premade, so everyone knows each other.

Yes it's dumb to troll people you don't know in solo queue. But if you're premading its really not that hard to get everyone on the same page.

it's normals, we were playing vs SK nRated and I wanted to brag about beating him, I even went 11-3-26 that game but noo people have to ruin it all

EDIT: And those people do normally try, they just got so cocky because they thought we win no matter what and that's what pisses me off

You realize how silly it is to say that Kerp pissed away your win by screwing around when nrated was probably screwing around to begin with?

Of course it is but have you ever lost a game where opponents have 3 inhibitors down and their nexus is below half hp? zz
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
Two_DoWn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States13684 Posts
June 24 2011 19:25 GMT
#18554
Yes. Many times. And its funny every time. Especially if you do the surrender bug.
"What is the air speed velocity of an unladen courier?" "Dire or Radiant?"
MoonBear
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Straight outta Johto18973 Posts
June 24 2011 19:27 GMT
#18555
On June 25 2011 04:17 BlueBird. wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 25 2011 04:12 MoonBear wrote:
If it helps in any way, there's plans to introduce Normal Draft Pick so now you can try-hard and mess around in Normals without worrying about Elo.


I don't ever see Normals being a good place to try something out.

When I want to play a new champion or try a new build.. I learn that champ by grinding out ranked games, not normal games.

Also, I believe(not 100% sure) you can get reported for trolling normal games, and even custom games. Idk if the tribunal makes that distinction, that's a huge problem as far as I'm concerned, since I should be able to go into normal and custom and do whatever I want.

I think I've been reported a couple times for Gangplank Jungle last 2 days in ranked, even though it's super good , I know ive been que dodged twice when locking in first pick GP and saying im gonna jungle.

It's really strange, half the games I play in hes banned, so people know hes improved, but half the games I play in everyone freaks out if someone takes him, and say lol GP pick.

Hm. You can get reported in any game mode (even Co-Op v AI) if you're ruining the gaming experience for others. The action taken will depend on what you did. The Tribunal is only a guide. Final punishment is determined by Customer Service so the Tribunal can always be overruled.

The way I see it is that Normals is where you test is some really random thing you thought of to see if it's even actually viable, and then once you have an idea how it should work you go to Ranked or something.

On June 25 2011 04:25 Two_DoWn wrote:
Yes. Many times. And its funny every time. Especially if you do the surrender bug.

I hate it when I feel like try-harding to learn something and then get paired with a pre-made and I have to carry them because they troll me and then they just surrender. Zzzz.
ModeratorA dream. Do you have one that has cursed you like that? Or maybe... a wish?
NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-24 19:31:16
June 24 2011 19:28 GMT
#18556
On June 25 2011 03:37 Mogwai wrote:
it's a game you fucking tryhards, they're just trying to make a boring roflstomp fun by playing like retards. I don't understand why some people have this bitchy mentality when it comes to players playing a game and having fun with it rather than trying their hardest to make optimal plays all the time.

I'm a good player, I play hard, I play to win, I play tournaments, but LoL is still a game and I still wanna have fun with it. If I'm queueing up with friends and roflstomping, I'm going to do some crazy shit just to have fun and I don't understand why people gonna get all butthurt about pissing away a single game that was probably a ton of fun for everyone involved except the one guy who's still hung up about losing 12 elo.


u r fk noob. Play to win, nothing less

!!!

Edit: wow, you fgts actually went on for two pages about a Shikyo rant. When will you TL noobs ever learn...
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JackDino
Profile Joined July 2010
Gabon6219 Posts
June 24 2011 19:50 GMT
#18557
EU broken again, client crashes, server busy, server online, login, 10-30min queue, "server is currently busy blablabla", crash, launcher again, server busy, rinse and repeat. Atleast we got 550rp.
This isnt Broodwar so I dont owe anyone respect for beating me. -arb
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
June 24 2011 19:59 GMT
#18558
On June 25 2011 04:27 MoonBear wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 25 2011 04:17 BlueBird. wrote:
On June 25 2011 04:12 MoonBear wrote:
If it helps in any way, there's plans to introduce Normal Draft Pick so now you can try-hard and mess around in Normals without worrying about Elo.


I don't ever see Normals being a good place to try something out.

When I want to play a new champion or try a new build.. I learn that champ by grinding out ranked games, not normal games.

Also, I believe(not 100% sure) you can get reported for trolling normal games, and even custom games. Idk if the tribunal makes that distinction, that's a huge problem as far as I'm concerned, since I should be able to go into normal and custom and do whatever I want.

I think I've been reported a couple times for Gangplank Jungle last 2 days in ranked, even though it's super good , I know ive been que dodged twice when locking in first pick GP and saying im gonna jungle.

It's really strange, half the games I play in hes banned, so people know hes improved, but half the games I play in everyone freaks out if someone takes him, and say lol GP pick.

Hm. You can get reported in any game mode (even Co-Op v AI) if you're ruining the gaming experience for others. The action taken will depend on what you did. The Tribunal is only a guide. Final punishment is determined by Customer Service so the Tribunal can always be overruled.

The way I see it is that Normals is where you test is some really random thing you thought of to see if it's even actually viable, and then once you have an idea how it should work you go to Ranked or something.

Show nested quote +
On June 25 2011 04:25 Two_DoWn wrote:
Yes. Many times. And its funny every time. Especially if you do the surrender bug.

I hate it when I feel like try-harding to learn something and then get paired with a pre-made and I have to carry them because they troll me and then they just surrender. Zzzz.

Why would you solo normal to practice something specific? Most of the time you won't even get the role you want--especially if its solo laning and the other 4 players all instalock solos.
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Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
June 24 2011 20:04 GMT
#18559
yeah normal soloq is awful for practicing anything, when I practice solo on a new champ I do 3v5 vs AI because that way you always get to be at mid, other than that you should just play ranked as those games have proper roles almost always, unlike normal with 5 ad carries .
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
unichan
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States4223 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-24 20:22:14
June 24 2011 20:17 GMT
#18560
i try really hard every fucking game
I'M IN IT TO WIN IT

but srsly, i'll play like when inept asks me to because i think he's the single person who cares the least about this game.
:)
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