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On May 28 2011 03:54 mrgerry wrote:
K so i just read up on all the ESPORTS drama and I don't see the big deal here. Why does it matter that they swapped some low seeds around to make sure people play their matches? If you gonna win a tourney you are going to have to beat these teams at one point or another, imo just be happy that a tourney like this is being ran and play your fucking matches.
What's the whole point of the 'season' if you can just arbitrarely swap them around? They played in tournaments for one whole fucking year to qualify for the finals and get a good seed. If you have a system that puts so much emphasis on seeding you can't just arbitrarely change shit.
You see Riot is like 'hey were gonna make LoL e-sports and stuff' and then they fail at the most basic thing which is the integrity of the competition.
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CallMeVigoss = Eddie[P] from DotA's Pandemic a jillion years ago
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Dont understand support, so im soraka and trist vs janna vayne, tristana tries to poke vs a vayne, i go up to heal her, they turn on me, I die.
rinse repeat 5 times, continue to blame soraka for trying to "support" a confused tristana
Real..
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"OMG MY TEAMS ARE SO NOOB THIS SORAKA WENT 0-5" (Senx if he played trist)
"OMG MY TEAMS ARE SO NOOB THEY RAGE AT ME FOR GOING 0-5 WTF DO I DIE" (Senx when he plays soraka)
Real LoL players.
Honestly, you only have to be in healing range of tristana, unless you derp into the wall stun theres no way you should die.
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On May 28 2011 04:11 Yiruru wrote:
CallMeVigoss = Eddie[P] from DotA's Pandemic a jillion years ago
thanks, good to know.
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On May 28 2011 04:12 Senx wrote:
Dont understand support, so im soraka and trist vs janna vayne, tristana tries to poke vs a vayne, i go up to heal her, they turn on me, I die.
rinse repeat 5 times, continue to blame soraka for trying to "support" a confused tristana
Real..
If you died the first time, why would you do it again?
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On May 28 2011 04:20 Woony wrote:Show nested quote +On May 28 2011 04:11 Yiruru wrote:
CallMeVigoss = Eddie[P] from DotA's Pandemic a jillion years ago thanks, good to know.
O I meant the hon player. I never played DOTA :/
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On May 28 2011 04:21 randomKo_Orean wrote:Show nested quote +On May 27 2011 22:15 Shikyo wrote:
Yeaahhh I've never been able to carry with ranged dps on botlane with a support, then I queue with my 1700 elo friend and our teammates are 1620-1700 and opponents 1680-1750, and I go 8-0-4 with Tristana, rest of my team 2-4 4-2 0-1 3-3 and super easy win.
Real elo hell, wish I could play at 1700 soon. Poll: Should Shikyo be allowed to post on this thread anymore?No, he has his own thread FFS (30) 55% YES! He's incredibly huge addition to the community! (13) 24% No, he's just really really really ANNOYING (7) 13% No, he QQs when he goes 0-5 in a lane and then blames it on the jungler (3) 5% No, he thinks he's good when he's not (2) 4% 55 total votes Your vote: Should Shikyo be allowed to post on this thread anymore? (Vote): YES! He's incredibly huge addition to the community!
(Vote): No, he thinks he's good when he's not
(Vote): No, he QQs when he goes 0-5 in a lane and then blames it on the jungler
(Vote): No, he's just really really really ANNOYING
(Vote): No, he has his own thread FFS
How I vote for three things at once?
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Marshall Islands3404 Posts
huge addition to community, this thread wouldnt be the same if we didnt have people giving him the attention he craves every couple pages
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On May 28 2011 04:24 dnastyx wrote:Show nested quote +On May 28 2011 04:12 Senx wrote:
Dont understand support, so im soraka and trist vs janna vayne, tristana tries to poke vs a vayne, i go up to heal her, they turn on me, I die.
rinse repeat 5 times, continue to blame soraka for trying to "support" a confused tristana
Real.. If you died the first time, why would you do it again?
What am I supposed to do? Just hug the tower and afk for dinner while tristana gets destroyed?
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On May 28 2011 04:36 Senx wrote:Show nested quote +On May 28 2011 04:24 dnastyx wrote:On May 28 2011 04:12 Senx wrote:
Dont understand support, so im soraka and trist vs janna vayne, tristana tries to poke vs a vayne, i go up to heal her, they turn on me, I die.
rinse repeat 5 times, continue to blame soraka for trying to "support" a confused tristana
Real.. If you died the first time, why would you do it again? What am I supposed to do? Just hug the tower and afk for dinner while tristana gets destroyed?
Your heal has range last time I checked, and trist has a jump to get away anyway.
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On May 28 2011 04:07 Woony wrote:Show nested quote +On May 28 2011 03:54 mrgerry wrote:
K so i just read up on all the ESPORTS drama and I don't see the big deal here. Why does it matter that they swapped some low seeds around to make sure people play their matches? If you gonna win a tourney you are going to have to beat these teams at one point or another, imo just be happy that a tourney like this is being ran and play your fucking matches. What's the whole point of the 'season' if you can just arbitrarely swap them around? They played in tournaments for one whole fucking year to qualify for the finals and get a good seed. If you have a system that puts so much emphasis on seeding you can't just arbitrarely change shit. You see Riot is like 'hey were gonna make LoL e-sports and stuff' and then they fail at the most basic thing which is the integrity of the competition.
The suspicion of cheating is FAR worse than seeding adjustments are. I mean, people are arguing at the same time that seeding is strong enough that switching #7 and #8 around is a big issue but also that #7 is actually good enough to be #3.
The seed ultimately has little effect on the tournaments result. All teams have the same chance to ultimately win.
The switch is a harmless way to avoid the suspected cheating attempt without ignoring it or outright banning the suspected teams.
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Straight outta Johto18973 Posts
On May 28 2011 04:39 Unentschieden wrote:Show nested quote +On May 28 2011 04:07 Woony wrote:On May 28 2011 03:54 mrgerry wrote:
K so i just read up on all the ESPORTS drama and I don't see the big deal here. Why does it matter that they swapped some low seeds around to make sure people play their matches? If you gonna win a tourney you are going to have to beat these teams at one point or another, imo just be happy that a tourney like this is being ran and play your fucking matches. What's the whole point of the 'season' if you can just arbitrarely swap them around? They played in tournaments for one whole fucking year to qualify for the finals and get a good seed. If you have a system that puts so much emphasis on seeding you can't just arbitrarely change shit. You see Riot is like 'hey were gonna make LoL e-sports and stuff' and then they fail at the most basic thing which is the integrity of the competition. The suspicion of cheating is FAR worse than seeding adjustments are. I mean, people are arguing at the same time that seeding is strong enough that switching #7 and #8 around is a big issue but also that #7 is actually good enough to be #3. The seed ultimately has little effect on the tournaments result. All teams have the same chance to ultimately win. The switch is a harmless way to avoid the suspected cheating attempt without ignoring it or outright banning the suspected teams.
Whoever plays WHALE basically gets a free pass into the next round because WHALE is barely a functional team as far as I know since a lot of players left (Atlanta, Jatt, etc.) while EG picked up some really strong people lately and is a serious contender. Swapping seeds pretty much undermines the whole point of seeding. It also doesn't change anything if EG and TSM face each other in Dreamhack itself...
On May 28 2011 04:36 Senx wrote:Show nested quote +On May 28 2011 04:24 dnastyx wrote:On May 28 2011 04:12 Senx wrote:
Dont understand support, so im soraka and trist vs janna vayne, tristana tries to poke vs a vayne, i go up to heal her, they turn on me, I die.
rinse repeat 5 times, continue to blame soraka for trying to "support" a confused tristana
Real.. If you died the first time, why would you do it again? What am I supposed to do? Just hug the tower and afk for dinner while tristana gets destroyed?
Let him die. Two people feeding is worse than just one. Trist should have at least Flash+Jump in case of an emergency.
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inb4bannedagain but
i'm glad to be unbanned
User was temp banned for this post.
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IMO the biggest thing about this whole seeding fiasco is that the EG that is going to compete for a spot in Dreamhack isn't the EG that earned the #7 seed. But that's just one of several problems with the whole qualifying system that Riot is using.
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On May 28 2011 05:19 crate wrote:
IMO the biggest thing about this whole seeding fiasco is that the EG that is going to compete for a spot in Dreamhack isn't the EG that earned the #7 seed. But that's just one of several problems with the whole qualifying system that Riot is using.
The "EG that earned the #7 seed" as in the EG that placed 2nd at WCG USA?
Dan, Grafic, and Salce all play regularly for the current EG. Araragi and Xcessiv don't play anymore, so you can't really ask for that. Obviously they had to pick up new players to fill those other 2 spots + reserves.
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On May 28 2011 04:58 gtrsrs wrote:
inb4bannedagain but
i'm glad to be unbanned
D: the musical dinosaur is back
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On May 28 2011 06:06 TheYango wrote:Show nested quote +On May 28 2011 05:19 crate wrote:
IMO the biggest thing about this whole seeding fiasco is that the EG that is going to compete for a spot in Dreamhack isn't the EG that earned the #7 seed. But that's just one of several problems with the whole qualifying system that Riot is using. The "EG that earned the #7 seed" as in the EG that placed 2nd at WCG USA? Dan, Grafic, and Salce all play regularly for the current EG. Araragi and Xcessiv don't play anymore, so you can't really ask for that. Obviously they had to pick up new players to fill those other 2 spots + reserves.
I certainly feel like replacing 2/5 of your roster and adding players who (as far as I know) weren't even on your reserve list for earning any of the points that got you seeded #7 (Doublelift and Westrice) is a bit ridiculous, yes. I may be mistaken because I haven't really followed which players are on which team though.
The fact that EG gets in almost entirely based on a single result from half a year ago seems a bit silly to me as well though, especially since they could have just registered for a few more events and lost immediately and still qualified with only the points from WCG USA.
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