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On May 13 2011 01:54 locodoco wrote:Show nested quote +On May 13 2011 01:42 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote:
I'm a fan of the attackspeed builds on Vayne, I don't think that sheen business belongs with her skillset. sheen has perfect synergy with just tumble alone
My trouble here is this:
Scenario a) You build that sheen. You might as well get the zeal too. You might just rush triforce then.
Scenario b) You rush that bloodrazor. In 2011 you will destroy everyone.
I really feel that the triforce rush is bad because
a) You synergize better with pure AS which leads to on-hit-procs asap. Triforce only delays big on-hit/pure AS items.
b) You do NOT synergize with Mana, AP or Critchance.
Two random questions I'd like to throw out there (I build both of these myself all the time but I'm not sure on the correct reasoning from a higher level perspective)
1) Why do you get pure AS/On-hit on teemo? "Only" because of toxic shot?
2) Why do you rush triforce on Corki instead of e.g. IE or BC first?
If the argument to 2) is that "He likes ALL the stats" but we don't rush triforce on champs which only need 2 of those three then Triforce on Vayne seems bad to me.
Corki (+Ezreal): Likes EVERY single Triforce base item & every proc.
Vayne: Does not like the crit as much as the other two, does not like extra mana or AP at all. Also I feel the phage proc on her is way weaker than on Corki or Ez due to her passive.
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Tumble crits are hot at level 5. I hear when QE combo hits without a wall and still kills because the crit that its sexy as hell. 100-0 ez with q crits. Might even stack crit too.
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How would she not scale well with crit? She only has one spell, the rest of her damage is all autoattacks. Which can crit.
Does Q amplify procs like BR or Wit's End? Even if it does, I still wouldn't like BR on her.
Has anyone tried Black Cleaver + Sword of the Divine yet? AD to go with your spells, 3 consecutive hits is what you want anyways, plenty of attack speed. If enemies build armor you kill them with true damage, if they don't build armor all of your autoattacks deal true damage.
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On May 13 2011 04:10 Mogwai wrote:
then you factor in your red buff, hextech gunblade, ult, W and E, and es so much damage es always kill, aheuheuehueheueheueheue
i killed an akali with w earlier today in her cloud, i lol'd
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Morde max W or Q first??? I do not know, they are too much damege! to kill always, huehueheuheu.
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On May 13 2011 06:14 spinesheath wrote:
How would she not scale well with crit? She only has one spell, the rest of her damage is all autoattacks. Which can crit.
Does Q amplify procs like BR or Wit's End? Even if it does, I still wouldn't like BR on her.
Has anyone tried Black Cleaver + Sword of the Divine yet? AD to go with your spells, 3 consecutive hits is what you want anyways, plenty of attack speed. If enemies build armor you kill them with true damage, if they don't build armor all of your autoattacks deal true damage.
Wits end is pretty much a must have on her at all time against any kind of casters. It stacks too easy and give you all the aspeed you want. BC + SOTD is pretty good, but you dont really need that many damage items. Going tanky after Triforce, wits (which i guess is a tank item now?), BC is pretty much the way I've been doing it. After Wits/Triforce you can pretty much never die if you realise she has like 6 escapes (counting summoners).
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On May 13 2011 06:42 Cixah wrote:Show nested quote +On May 13 2011 06:14 spinesheath wrote:
How would she not scale well with crit? She only has one spell, the rest of her damage is all autoattacks. Which can crit.
Does Q amplify procs like BR or Wit's End? Even if it does, I still wouldn't like BR on her.
Has anyone tried Black Cleaver + Sword of the Divine yet? AD to go with your spells, 3 consecutive hits is what you want anyways, plenty of attack speed. If enemies build armor you kill them with true damage, if they don't build armor all of your autoattacks deal true damage. Wits end is pretty much a must have on her at all time against any kind of casters. It stacks too easy and give you all the aspeed you want. BC + SOTD is pretty good, but you dont really need that many damage items. Going tanky after Triforce, wits (which i guess is a tank item now?), BC is pretty much the way I've been doing it. After Wits/Triforce you can pretty much never die if you realise she has like 6 escapes (counting summoners).
I was talking about straight BC + SotD. No Triforce. Order of parts/items not specified.
After that IE looks promising, followed by PD. Although you'd want to squeeze some Lifesteal in there...
Defense always as necessary, don't ever follow a fixed build for defense, duh.
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On May 13 2011 06:35 NeoIllusions wrote:
R > E > W > Q
real fknoob. morde es Q > R > E > W, es always mace to the face, never die, huehueheuehueheueueueueu
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I can't see a build where I wouldn't want triforce on her. Once you have it, its almost like youre a range irelia in the amount of damage you can burst out. I mean its obviously a "turn on" item, but so far in my play, if you don't get like 3-4 kills early, you just can't compete late. Which makes sheen a must item, and thus later triforce.
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i've never played since the new hero was released, but sheen bonus damage does not amplify on-hit attacks (e.g., mace of spades)
EDIT: to clarify i don't know if sheen works with her tumble or whatever
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On May 13 2011 07:36 Mogwai wrote:real fknoob. morde es Q > R > E > W, es always mace to the face, never die, huehueheuehueheueueueueu
Thought DSC did Q>W>E
e real fksk
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On May 13 2011 07:47 rigwarl wrote:
i've never played since the new hero was released, but sheen bonus damage does not amplify on-hit attacks (e.g., mace of spades)
EDIT: to clarify i don't know if sheen works with her tumble or whatever
Sheen DOES amplify all such attacks, including Pounce, Pick a Card, Mace of Spades, Devastating Blow, and Siphoning Strike, which is why it's a common pick on those champs.
Also, best matchmaking: + Show Spoiler +
Noob friend invites me and 2 friends for ranked 5s, I invite Rhavanna, he dodges, afk third friend shows up and we roll with basically a bunch of 14-1500s.
Look who we get matched against B[
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Yeah, 1500+ is always NintendudeX tryharding. That's why I dun play it anymore.
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Watching rain man play taric makes me so sad. I played with him earlier as Panth and he told me I was bad at panth as he bought 3 hearts of gold and then a sunfire cape. At least he appears to have realized that he's bad at taric and is buying an oracles and wards this game like I told him to. He bought zero wards and no oracles when he played with me...
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On May 13 2011 08:09 Tooplark wrote:Show nested quote +On May 13 2011 07:47 rigwarl wrote:
i've never played since the new hero was released, but sheen bonus damage does not amplify on-hit attacks (e.g., mace of spades)
EDIT: to clarify i don't know if sheen works with her tumble or whatever Sheen DOES amplify all such attacks, including Pounce, Pick a Card, Mace of Spades, Devastating Blow, and Siphoning Strike, which is why it's a common pick on those champs. Also, best matchmaking: + Show Spoiler +Noob friend invites me and 2 friends for ranked 5s, I invite Rhavanna, he dodges, afk third friend shows up and we roll with basically a bunch of 14-1500s. Look who we get matched against B[
waitwaitwait
can anybody confirm sheen amplifying all of those? Even siphoning strike?
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I think he meant takedown instead of Pounce but ya.
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Whoops I don't mean the bonus damage is boosted by the sheen proc, but it works with the sheen proc. Which is to say, the sheen proc is triggered by the spell cast and applies the sheen bonus damage (which only and always has only scaled off of base AD)
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People keep thinking tumble is an attack, it's not. The main ability is that she rolls, causing sheen to proc. The 2nd part of the tumble increases your AD which add to the extra sheen damage your getting. Basicly, tumble is a sheen on a 2 second cd for 35 mana that mini blinks you.
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