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On May 13 2011 08:25 APurpleCow wrote:Show nested quote +On May 13 2011 08:09 Tooplark wrote:On May 13 2011 07:47 rigwarl wrote:
i've never played since the new hero was released, but sheen bonus damage does not amplify on-hit attacks (e.g., mace of spades)
EDIT: to clarify i don't know if sheen works with her tumble or whatever Sheen DOES amplify all such attacks, including Pounce, Pick a Card, Mace of Spades, Devastating Blow, and Siphoning Strike, which is why it's a common pick on those champs. Also, best matchmaking: + Show Spoiler +Noob friend invites me and 2 friends for ranked 5s, I invite Rhavanna, he dodges, afk third friend shows up and we roll with basically a bunch of 14-1500s. Look who we get matched against B[ waitwaitwait can anybody confirm sheen amplifying all of those? Even siphoning strike?
I'm 100% certain it doesn't amplify, I JUST tried it, it may seem like it does since you hit super hard because both effects add.
For example:
Auto-attack = 100 damage
Auto with sheen = 100 + 100 = 200
Auto with Mace = 100 + 200 = 300
Auto with both = 100 + 300 = 400 so it seems like alot but it doesn't actually effect the mace bonus damage.
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On May 13 2011 05:53 r.Evo wrote:
2) Why do you rush triforce on Corki instead of e.g. IE or BC first?
If the argument to 2) is that "He likes ALL the stats" but we don't rush triforce on champs which only need 2 of those three then Triforce on Vayne seems bad to me.
Corki (+Ezreal): Likes EVERY single Triforce base item & every proc.
Vayne: Does not like the crit as much as the other two, does not like extra mana or AP at all. Also I feel the phage proc on her is way weaker than on Corki or Ez due to her passive.
that isn't why you rush triforce on corki at all. You do it because corki has high base damage and mediocre scaling so it's more efficient to split your money between utility and damage. same problem that plagues tanky dps balance
If ashe still did good damage after buying manamune + triforce every ashe would buy manamune + triforce
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On May 13 2011 08:54 rigwarl wrote:Show nested quote +On May 13 2011 08:25 APurpleCow wrote:On May 13 2011 08:09 Tooplark wrote:On May 13 2011 07:47 rigwarl wrote:
i've never played since the new hero was released, but sheen bonus damage does not amplify on-hit attacks (e.g., mace of spades)
EDIT: to clarify i don't know if sheen works with her tumble or whatever Sheen DOES amplify all such attacks, including Pounce, Pick a Card, Mace of Spades, Devastating Blow, and Siphoning Strike, which is why it's a common pick on those champs. Also, best matchmaking: + Show Spoiler +Noob friend invites me and 2 friends for ranked 5s, I invite Rhavanna, he dodges, afk third friend shows up and we roll with basically a bunch of 14-1500s. Look who we get matched against B[ waitwaitwait can anybody confirm sheen amplifying all of those? Even siphoning strike? I'm 100% certain it doesn't amplify, I JUST tried it, it may seem like it does since you hit super hard because both effects add. For example: Auto-attack = 100 damage Auto with sheen = 100 + 100 = 200 Auto with Mace = 100 + 200 = 300 Auto with both = 100 + 300 = 400 so it seems like alot but it doesn't actually effect the mace bonus damage.
Yes this is true and what I meant. I'm sorry for the confusion.
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thoughts on cloak and dagger on ashe? it looks like it fits her, and would let you go swifties instead of mercs assuming the other team doesn't have massive amounts of cc and the extra 10% reduction wouldn't be missed. dunno how efficient it is though, i haven't done the math.
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On May 13 2011 09:17 NSANE.hydra wrote:
thoughts on cloak and dagger on ashe? it looks like it fits her, and would let you go swifties instead of mercs assuming the other team doesn't have massive amounts of cc and the extra 10% reduction wouldn't be missed. dunno how efficient it is though, i haven't done the math.
Who gets mercs or swifties on Ashe over zerks?
I don't recall ever seeing a high Elo Ashe build anything other than zerks (well, except CDR boots if they're doing a janky CDR Ashe build for lolz).
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On May 13 2011 09:17 NSANE.hydra wrote:
thoughts on cloak and dagger on ashe? it looks like it fits her, and would let you go swifties instead of mercs assuming the other team doesn't have massive amounts of cc and the extra 10% reduction wouldn't be missed. dunno how efficient it is though, i haven't done the math.
The item's extremely cost-efficient if you want both aspd and critrate. I think it might be the item of choice for Tryndamere with zerkers.
btw this is the least creative item name I've ever seen
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Zerks+C&D is gonna lose out when your item slots get filled, compared to going mercs+zeal->PD. Don't know if too many games will go on long enough for that to matter, though.
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On May 13 2011 10:40 TheYango wrote:Show nested quote +On May 13 2011 09:17 NSANE.hydra wrote:
thoughts on cloak and dagger on ashe? it looks like it fits her, and would let you go swifties instead of mercs assuming the other team doesn't have massive amounts of cc and the extra 10% reduction wouldn't be missed. dunno how efficient it is though, i haven't done the math. Who gets mercs or swifties on Ashe over zerks? I don't recall ever seeing a high Elo Ashe build anything other than zerks (well, except CDR boots if they're doing a janky CDR Ashe build for lolz).
That's because you really only need them in low Elo where people don't know how to protect Ashe that well lol.
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On May 13 2011 12:43 randomKo_Orean wrote:Rhavanna is a girl Show nested quote +On May 13 2011 08:09 Tooplark wrote:
Noob friend invites me and 2 friends for ranked 5s, I invite Rhavanna, he dodges, afk third friend shows up and we roll with basically a bunch of 14-1500s.
Look who we get matched against B[
I know. I meant "Noob friend" dodged. You can see Rhavanna in the screenshot B[
Saying things is hard, guys. It's hard.
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On May 13 2011 07:36 Mogwai wrote:real fknoob. morde es Q > R > E > W, es always mace to the face, never die, huehueheuehueheueueueueu
i used to go rewq, then i realized how awesome q is
qrwe for jungle
reqw for lane
either way mace best shield
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On May 13 2011 10:40 TheYango wrote:Show nested quote +On May 13 2011 09:17 NSANE.hydra wrote:
thoughts on cloak and dagger on ashe? it looks like it fits her, and would let you go swifties instead of mercs assuming the other team doesn't have massive amounts of cc and the extra 10% reduction wouldn't be missed. dunno how efficient it is though, i haven't done the math. Who gets mercs or swifties on Ashe over zerks? I don't recall ever seeing a high Elo Ashe build anything other than zerks (well, except CDR boots if they're doing a janky CDR Ashe build for lolz).
yango do you ever base an opinion off of anything other than what you seen on a stream :/
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jiji uses swifties. THEY MUST BE GOOD.
Really I don't like swifties at all. If you get caught, you're dead. In some cases you can get away with mercs + flash but that is team comp dependent. zerkers are the better choice imo than swifties in basically every situation I can think of. If you really need the movespeed on ashe a zeal is a better choice anyway since you get it on her a lot in the first place.
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i think swifties are good vs heroes you need to kite your ass off vs like xin, I used to run mspd quints too for kiting
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I ran c&d on trynd a few games, it's pretty stupid. Item is really good but I think it's designed to favor melee dps rather than ranged - melee usually has good base damage already and all it gives is multipliers, whereas ranged has lower amounts to compensate for their high utility so they need to build stuff like iedge first and by then it's awkward to buy a mid-teir item. So it probably won't see much use on ashe
On May 13 2011 14:23 BlackPaladin wrote:
Really I don't like swifties at all. If you get caught, you're dead.
that's an argument for using swifties
this is a pretty overplayed answer but it seems clear to me, it's all situational. I think swifties are very rarely right but I've definitely seen games where they seem like the correct boots for ashe. Gotta look carefully at the enemy team comp and items
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On May 13 2011 14:10 HazMat wrote:Show nested quote +On May 13 2011 10:40 TheYango wrote:On May 13 2011 09:17 NSANE.hydra wrote:
thoughts on cloak and dagger on ashe? it looks like it fits her, and would let you go swifties instead of mercs assuming the other team doesn't have massive amounts of cc and the extra 10% reduction wouldn't be missed. dunno how efficient it is though, i haven't done the math. Who gets mercs or swifties on Ashe over zerks? I don't recall ever seeing a high Elo Ashe build anything other than zerks (well, except CDR boots if they're doing a janky CDR Ashe build for lolz). yango do you ever base an opinion off of anything other than what you seen on a stream :/
My opinion is my opinion. It's formed based on my own thoughts and experiences. But when it comes to making a point, most people don't find the theorycraft and anecdotal experiences of a 1400 Elo player to be very convincing, which is why I feel citing my observations of high-level play to be more authoritative.
If you prefer, I could make the overly rehashed point about how 20 movespeed will almost never save you vs someone that can chase you through a 35% slow. But I don't see how reiterating that when everyone's heard that already is any more convincing.
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On May 13 2011 08:22 LoCicero wrote:
Watching rain man play taric makes me so sad. I played with him earlier as Panth and he told me I was bad at panth as he bought 3 hearts of gold and then a sunfire cape. At least he appears to have realized that he's bad at taric and is buying an oracles and wards this game like I told him to. He bought zero wards and no oracles when he played with me...
Rainman should stick to teemo
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Teemo should burn to death in a horrible fire.
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On May 13 2011 16:00 Two_DoWn wrote:
Teemo should burn to death in a horrible fire.
btw i found out jarvan is pretty good. I'm tryharding again (for awhile) and my elo crisis is over.
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Your elo crisis will never be over. I have never seen someone swing back and forth between 1300 and 1500 so many times in so little time.
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