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Two_DoWn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States13684 Posts
April 23 2011 07:42 GMT
#12981
I have no problem forcing the flash, waiting and then re ganking for the kill. However, if you cut your jungle in order to do it, then I dont even think you can break even if you get the kill, let alone if they manage to escape again. After 4, and then especially after 6 it doesnt matter that much, but that first jungle clear is REALLY important imo.
"What is the air speed velocity of an unladen courier?" "Dire or Radiant?"
gtrsrs
Profile Joined June 2010
United States9109 Posts
April 23 2011 07:50 GMT
#12982
you guys trolling me right now? i usually gank 2-3 times before i complete my first run and i'm always ahead of the enemy jungle in level :s
i play ... hearthstone =\^.^/= Winterfox
gtrsrs
Profile Joined June 2010
United States9109 Posts
April 23 2011 07:51 GMT
#12983
On April 23 2011 16:37 JackDino wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 23 2011 16:34 StuffedTurkey wrote:
On April 23 2011 16:15 JackDino wrote:
On April 23 2011 16:02 gtrsrs wrote:
On April 23 2011 14:43 Two_DoWn wrote:
I might have to. I lost 175 elo in 1 fucking week. 175. And its worse cuz I know I'm not fucking good enough to carry 4 retards against 5. But I keep fucking trying. And I keep failing. HARD.


want to prevent your solos from feeding as a jungle? gank earlier
giving your solo first blood is a great way to make sure they win their lane
try a different jungle route that allows you to gank at level 2 or 3 instead of clearing the whole jungle first. i do this CONSTANTLY at 1550+ and people still have no idea what to do when i come charging out of the jungle at level 2 instead of waiting til level 4 like 95% of people do. fail your gank? they expect you to head back into the jungle. instead, wait 8 seconds then gank again. you'll get the "WOW get a life" or "WOW takes 9 tries to kill me" in all-chat but hey a kill is a kill

*wait 8 seconds then fail the gank again and lose out lots of xp while the enemy jungler cleared your jungle and his, enjoy your lane.

depending on which jungler you are, the first gank likely "failed" due to them flashing, in which case the second one is easy
that just gets into the difference of ganking for a kill or ganking to make them blow summoners though

The first gank failed because he's bad, no flash needed. It's only natural the second gank will fail aswell.


y r u so mad tho

User was warned for this post
i play ... hearthstone =\^.^/= Winterfox
JackDino
Profile Joined July 2010
Gabon6219 Posts
April 23 2011 07:56 GMT
#12984
On April 23 2011 16:51 gtrsrs wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 23 2011 16:37 JackDino wrote:
On April 23 2011 16:34 StuffedTurkey wrote:
On April 23 2011 16:15 JackDino wrote:
On April 23 2011 16:02 gtrsrs wrote:
On April 23 2011 14:43 Two_DoWn wrote:
I might have to. I lost 175 elo in 1 fucking week. 175. And its worse cuz I know I'm not fucking good enough to carry 4 retards against 5. But I keep fucking trying. And I keep failing. HARD.


want to prevent your solos from feeding as a jungle? gank earlier
giving your solo first blood is a great way to make sure they win their lane
try a different jungle route that allows you to gank at level 2 or 3 instead of clearing the whole jungle first. i do this CONSTANTLY at 1550+ and people still have no idea what to do when i come charging out of the jungle at level 2 instead of waiting til level 4 like 95% of people do. fail your gank? they expect you to head back into the jungle. instead, wait 8 seconds then gank again. you'll get the "WOW get a life" or "WOW takes 9 tries to kill me" in all-chat but hey a kill is a kill

*wait 8 seconds then fail the gank again and lose out lots of xp while the enemy jungler cleared your jungle and his, enjoy your lane.

depending on which jungler you are, the first gank likely "failed" due to them flashing, in which case the second one is easy
that just gets into the difference of ganking for a kill or ganking to make them blow summoners though

The first gank failed because he's bad, no flash needed. It's only natural the second gank will fail aswell.


y r u so mad tho

y r u so bad tho

User was warned for this post
This isnt Broodwar so I dont owe anyone respect for beating me. -arb
UniversalSnip
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
9871 Posts
April 23 2011 08:11 GMT
#12985
On April 19 2011 07:54 SnK-Arcbound wrote:
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On April 19 2011 07:16 UniversalSnip wrote:
one by one all the ridiculously overefficient durability items have fallen

sunfire
frozen heart
randuins
locket
banshee's
guardian
spirit visage
doran's ring
doran's blade
heart of gold

many of these weren't considered particularly good until those one step higher in the broken hierarchy were felled

what is the next evolution? I ask you gentlemen

my bet: philo stone + double doran's ring or shield

I think philo stone is secretly way overefficient

Philo's don't stop burst or high damage of any kind. They're good for laning, and then once teamfights start they are pretty worthless (unless you have an inventory full of them and can run in and out to take and deal damage). They aren't nearly as retarded and hog stacking in lane was on bulky champions.

Philo may be over efficient, but that's because hp and mana regen suck as stats. I would be very surprised if they did a large nerf to philo stone that would make people stop wanting it (more than say a total of 5 regen nerf total).


I would be surprised too. I think you're going to see this item a lot though, the reason regen stats have historically sucked so bad in lol is because the static stat items were extremely op.

It's not anywhere near as good as heart was of course but this item really does give a bit much for it's cost. The things holding it back are that it doesn't multiply with itself in any sense, and the range of heroes it can go on is relatively limited
"How fucking dare you defile the sanctity of DotA with your fucking casual plebian terminology? May the curse of Gaben and Volvo be upon you. le filthy casual."
Nikon
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Bulgaria5710 Posts
April 23 2011 09:50 GMT
#12986
Is it just me or are the servers laggy again?
Phrost
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States4008 Posts
April 23 2011 09:54 GMT
#12987
On April 23 2011 18:50 Nikon wrote:
Is it just me or are the servers laggy again?

just you
iamphrost.tumblr.com // http://howtobebettermagicplayer.tumblr.com // twitter @phrost_
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
April 23 2011 10:19 GMT
#12988
If you're on EU it's not just you whenever you happen to roll the american server.
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
JackDino
Profile Joined July 2010
Gabon6219 Posts
April 23 2011 10:21 GMT
#12989
On April 23 2011 19:19 Shikyo wrote:
If you're on EU it's not just you whenever you happen to roll the american server.

It is, high elo players know how to get rid of lag. It's why they're high elo players and people who "lag" aren't.
This isnt Broodwar so I dont owe anyone respect for beating me. -arb
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
April 23 2011 10:24 GMT
#12990
On April 23 2011 19:21 JackDino wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 23 2011 19:19 Shikyo wrote:
If you're on EU it's not just you whenever you happen to roll the american server.

It is, high elo players know how to get rid of lag. It's why they're high elo players and people who "lag" aren't.

Actually hotshot is #1 and he was lagging when the servers were lagging. But please share the method of removing lag when you roll the US server.
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
LightRailCoyote
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United States982 Posts
April 23 2011 11:16 GMT
#12991
On April 23 2011 19:21 JackDino wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 23 2011 19:19 Shikyo wrote:
If you're on EU it's not just you whenever you happen to roll the american server.

It is, high elo players know how to get rid of lag. It's why they're high elo players and people who "lag" aren't.


the very fact that i had to read multiple posts of yours to find out what you were means that im clearly too tired to function.

also sorry boes and sheep 2 button heroes 2 hard for me
AKA SurfSolar ----- This is the product of a DIY inadequate home
Slayer91
Profile Joined February 2006
Ireland23335 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-23 11:30:35
April 23 2011 11:29 GMT
#12992
Jungle is definitely the easiest way to 'carry' 4 people in that you can go from all lanes losing to all lanes winning. If the lanes continue to win and push it doesn't matter because you get 8 kills or something, just get tanky because fed melee only works if you spend extra money on tank stuff since you will be focused more and can't rely on other teammates to soak as much damage.

Ganking at level 2/3 is definitely fine if you see someone getting greedy early and feeling safe, but its a very vicious line between sacrificing jungle speed for a gank when you wouldn't get the gank after 4 anyway and wasting too much time trying to gank. If you get a gank by burning summoner and coming back straight away, great, but make sure you farm hard after that. If you keep doing that you'll just be 2 levels behind and be useless.

#1 rule of the jungle is not to waste time. You see all the scrub junglers coming to gank because "this is when I gank" and just wait in a bush for 10 seconds then complain about everyone pushing and then is farming wolves when top lane is pushing to tower.
StuffedTurkey
Profile Joined May 2010
United States859 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-23 11:51:13
April 23 2011 11:50 GMT
#12993
On April 23 2011 19:24 Shikyo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 23 2011 19:21 JackDino wrote:
On April 23 2011 19:19 Shikyo wrote:
If you're on EU it's not just you whenever you happen to roll the american server.

It is, high elo players know how to get rid of lag. It's why they're high elo players and people who "lag" aren't.

Actually hotshot is #1 and he was lagging when the servers were lagging. But please share the method of removing lag when you roll the US server.


hes trolling, has been all night, we just keep feedin the trolls
You can't milk those!
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
April 23 2011 12:09 GMT
#12994
On April 23 2011 20:50 StuffedTurkey wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 23 2011 19:24 Shikyo wrote:
On April 23 2011 19:21 JackDino wrote:
On April 23 2011 19:19 Shikyo wrote:
If you're on EU it's not just you whenever you happen to roll the american server.

It is, high elo players know how to get rid of lag. It's why they're high elo players and people who "lag" aren't.

Actually hotshot is #1 and he was lagging when the servers were lagging. But please share the method of removing lag when you roll the US server.


hes trolling, has been all night, we just keep feedin the trolls

Yeah I know he is, wonder how many trollmessages more would warrant a report.
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
Two_DoWn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States13684 Posts
April 23 2011 17:58 GMT
#12995
#1 problem of most solo lanes at suck elo is that they are unaware of how jungling actually works. I had an akali who kept whining for ganks against a vlad, yet refused to burn his pool or ghost. So ganking was basically a massive waste of time. Yet bottom was getting dived constantly, so picking up double kills was easily.

I made the judgement call to let top fail and concentrate on mid and bot. Mid went godlike and bot was farmed as well (something lie up 5-2), but then 1 bot dcd and we lost the game.

Jungles cant be everywhere. If you arent getting ganks, its cuz your opponent is ungankable or you suck too much to the point where I can tell that even if I waste my time trying to help, it isnt result in any meaningful positive impact.
"What is the air speed velocity of an unladen courier?" "Dire or Radiant?"
BlackPaladin
Profile Joined May 2010
United States9316 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-23 18:08:41
April 23 2011 18:07 GMT
#12996
How to win at 1400 ranked:

1)Pick poppy
2) Get inhib. (ezpz...you kill them so much that creeps autopush to inhib).
3) Let them get baron b/c your team are 1400 scrubs and don't realize you should not be bottom with half hp when baron is up.
4) Let them chase you for a full minute in a circle in their jungle to make up for the scrubs
5) flash away to safety after you burned 5 summoners
6) laugh as they just lost one of their nexus towers to super creeps
7) Finish the game.

Best. Guide. Ever.
"Your full potential does not matter if you do not use all 100% of it."
L
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Canada4732 Posts
April 23 2011 18:30 GMT
#12997
On April 23 2011 16:50 gtrsrs wrote:
you guys trolling me right now? i usually gank 2-3 times before i complete my first run and i'm always ahead of the enemy jungle in level :s

Lol who the fuck are you jungling against?

If you spend that much time trying to gank, I'm going to have wriggles and pink waaaaay before you and I'm going to have half the map warded + a free drag if you aren't successful.
The number you have dialed is out of porkchops.
L
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Canada4732 Posts
April 23 2011 18:33 GMT
#12998
On April 23 2011 14:43 Two_DoWn wrote:
I might have to. I lost 175 elo in 1 fucking week. 175. And its worse cuz I know I'm not fucking good enough to carry 4 retards against 5. But I keep fucking trying. And I keep failing. HARD.

If it makes you feel better, I was at your elo and I dropped around the same distance too.

A lot of people in our bracket had no idea how the fuck to play ranged deeps with the new changes, and all the tanks forgot that keeping people off your carry's kinda important because your carry used to be renekton or some tanky shit anyways.

Give it a week and people might de-retard.
The number you have dialed is out of porkchops.
Riku
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States1064 Posts
April 23 2011 18:53 GMT
#12999
Erm... hi!

>.>;

I like Nidalee...
Creative Director, CEO at Stumbling Cat, Writer for Broken Joysticks - Twitter: @RikuKat
locodoco
Profile Joined July 2010
Korea (South)1615 Posts
April 23 2011 18:54 GMT
#13000
On April 24 2011 03:53 Riku wrote:
Erm... hi!

>.>;

I like Nidalee...

hi i like Trist :3
i wish riot would give me better ping
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