EPTWeird. Farmed poppy would be so scary. Just get some regen and armour/mr with your damage and with your stupid passive and ultimate and movement speed and you can't die.
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Slayer91
Ireland23335 Posts
Weird. Farmed poppy would be so scary. Just get some regen and armour/mr with your damage and with your stupid passive and ultimate and movement speed and you can't die. | ||
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spinesheath
Germany8679 Posts
On April 22 2011 01:57 Caller wrote: poppy is really op, her passive is just so stupid strong and her damage is too high and she runs too fast. Her survivability is just too high for the damage she deals. She's a lot of fun to play too. All together it explains why she is the undisputed #1 pick/ban from 0 to 9000 elo. Imo max W on Eve, E next. Grab Q just before you get your Sheen. The trick to Eve is that your allies are supposed to trade hits in lane aggressively. If both champs in a lane are low and one side has an Eve, the other side either has to back off or risk death. Longer stun duration lets you set up the finishing blow while allowing your ally to position a little safer for the time where both sides are low. (meh I don't like how I tried to explain that... but I can't really think of a better way to express it right now) Q is just a HUGE mana sink right now. It's good for Sheen procs and not much else. Your earlygame ganks shouldn't last long enough to deal significant damage with Q, so imo W and E both outperform Q early/midgame. On April 22 2011 02:19 Slayer91 wrote: Poppy seems to be balanced around the fact that she's a carry but can't farm and has high enough base damage that she doesn't need farm? Weird. Farmed poppy would be so scary. Just get some regen and armour/mr with your damage and with your stupid passive and ultimate and movement speed and you can't die. Farmed Poppy is not THAT much different from farmed Olaf or farmed Tryndamere. Olaf straight up ignores CC, Trynd cannot die at all and doesn't care about Silences, and Poppy chooses the enemy with the least CC and tries to ult that one. So you have someone with a bunch of CC, especially long duration silences/slows, keep track of Poppy and make sure she can't get into the fight with a good ult. I recently had a Poppy who thought it was clever to ult me, Janna, every fight. Well, poor Poppy. She never got to catch up on a squishy. 4 second 48% slow on 4.8 sec cooldown. | ||
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WaveofShadow
Canada31495 Posts
Imo max W on Eve, E next. Grab Q just before you get your Sheen. The trick to Eve is that your allies are supposed to trade hits in lane aggressively. If both champs in a lane are low and one side has an Eve, the other side either has to back off or risk death. Longer stun duration lets you set up the finishing blow while allowing your ally to position a little safer for the time where both sides are low. (meh I don't like how I tried to explain that... but I can't really think of a better way to express it right now) Q is just a HUGE mana sink right now. It's good for Sheen procs and not much else. Your earlygame ganks shouldn't last long enough to deal significant damage with Q, so imo W and E both outperform Q early/midgame. Alright most of that makes sense to me, except for the bolded section. Roaming just doesn't seem like a good option to me when you have to depend on your teammates (and opponents) to play a certain way, especially at low ELO. At least people seem to understand that when a jungler runs in, you help him kill somebody, and because there is a jungler, top lane is solo. People have so friggin' much trouble handling 2v1 though. Guess I'll play Eve a bunch tonight and lose until I get the hang of it. | ||
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BluzMan
Russian Federation4235 Posts
On April 22 2011 02:46 WaveofShadow wrote: Alright most of that makes sense to me, except for the bolded section. Roaming just doesn't seem like a good option to me when you have to depend on your teammates (and opponents) to play a certain way, especially at low ELO. At least people seem to understand that when a jungler runs in, you help him kill somebody, and because there is a jungler, top lane is solo. People have so friggin' much trouble handling 2v1 though. Guess I'll play Eve a bunch tonight and lose until I get the hang of it. Roaming/junging is questionable in normals because you will never know if you have to 1v2. Try to 1v2 as, say, Ryze (a strong 1v1 laner) vs Maokai/Blitzcrank and see how jungling goes well for your team. 1v2 requires sniper picks to play (i.e. ranked AND people understanding that picking Vlad for an 1v2 lane is a terribad idea), not every great solo lane is good 1v2. In many cases you simply can't roam because if you leave your lane, your lanemate will get dominated. "Play def" is not legit because not getting farm/xp is no difference from being dead. | ||
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Tooplark
United States3977 Posts
On April 22 2011 02:22 spinesheath wrote: Farmed Poppy is not THAT much different from farmed Olaf or farmed Tryndamere. Olaf straight up ignores CC, Trynd cannot die at all and doesn't care about Silences, and Poppy chooses the enemy with the least CC and tries to ult that one. So you have someone with a bunch of CC, especially long duration silences/slows, keep track of Poppy and make sure she can't get into the fight with a good ult. I recently had a Poppy who thought it was clever to ult me, Janna, every fight. Well, poor Poppy. She never got to catch up on a squishy. 4 second 48% slow on 4.8 sec cooldown. The difference is Olaf ignores CC and reduces damage by 25? 50?ish for 4/6.5/8 seconds. Trynd ignores fatal damage for 5 seconds. Poppy takes half damage from pretty much everything permanently AND 0 damage/cc from all but one enemy for 6 seconds. | ||
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Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
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starfries
Canada3508 Posts
On April 22 2011 02:46 WaveofShadow wrote: Alright most of that makes sense to me, except for the bolded section. Roaming just doesn't seem like a good option to me when you have to depend on your teammates (and opponents) to play a certain way, especially at low ELO. At least people seem to understand that when a jungler runs in, you help him kill somebody, and because there is a jungler, top lane is solo. People have so friggin' much trouble handling 2v1 though. Guess I'll play Eve a bunch tonight and lose until I get the hang of it. Eve is a bit like jungle Rammus in that you can gank a lane again and again so you don't have to commit 100% the first time. I had a lot of trouble being useful when I started playing Eve because her burst isn't that amazing when you have to be leveling stealth and you have no items. But if you keep ganking them without taking too much damage you'll bring them into kill range. It takes so long to run between lanes with level 1 boots anyways so it's usually more efficient to try again. If you're enough of a dick they'll go back to buy a vision ward which is still a win for you. | ||
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spinesheath
Germany8679 Posts
On April 22 2011 02:46 WaveofShadow wrote: Alright most of that makes sense to me, except for the bolded section. Roaming just doesn't seem like a good option to me when you have to depend on your teammates (and opponents) to play a certain way, especially at low ELO. That's just roaming Eve. Eve doesn't actually have that insane burst everyone talks about, at least not at early levels. She has the threat of popping out of stealth everywhere, at any time. E-stun -> ally secures the kill. If you could kill enemies from 100 to 0 as an underfarmed, underleveled roamer, I'd surely call OP. Likewise, she can't actually kill enemy junglers just like that (unless they get are stupid and get ridiculously low). Most junglers can take on a non-fed roaming Eve 1v1 even when they are at 50%. Instead, you max W which allows you to easily scout for good jungle ganks and then surprise them together with your jungler or some other ally. Other roamers work differently: Janna has lots of CC and a Shield for an ally. Taric has a ranged long duration stun. Alistar kills someone every time his Flash is up. You definitely can't expect to roam well without teamplay (usually you at least want to line up your jungle + roamer ganks). Unless you are Alistar. | ||
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Juicyfruit
Canada5484 Posts
A strong roamer goes hand in hand with champions with relatively weak early game but strong pickup after level 7. A good cow + vlad is just a bitch to take on because cow will wreck you if you try to abuse vlad, and then when cow is finally underleveled compared to you, you're up against a well-farmed level 9 vlad. | ||
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WaveofShadow
Canada31495 Posts
On April 22 2011 03:45 spinesheath wrote: That's just roaming Eve. Eve doesn't actually have that insane burst everyone talks about, at least not at early levels. She has the threat of popping out of stealth everywhere, at any time. E-stun -> ally secures the kill. If you could kill enemies from 100 to 0 as an underfarmed, underleveled roamer, I'd surely call OP. Likewise, she can't actually kill enemy junglers just like that (unless they get are stupid and get ridiculously low). Most junglers can take on a non-fed roaming Eve 1v1 even when they are at 50%. Instead, you max W which allows you to easily scout for good jungle ganks and then surprise them together with your jungler or some other ally. Other roamers work differently: Janna has lots of CC and a Shield for an ally. Taric has a ranged long duration stun. Alistar kills someone every time his Flash is up. You definitely can't expect to roam well without teamplay (usually you at least want to line up your jungle + roamer ganks). Unless you are Alistar. Man you summed up my frustrations with Eve perfectly. I'm always seeing people talk about her crazy early burst and her excellent counterjungling potential, and I'm always thinking to myself...'wtf are they smoking?' Then again, I don't queue up with 1900 players on a daily basis who actually know how to take advantage of a moving CV, so....yeah. I guess I'll stick with roaming Alistar for soloqueue for now, which works even at low levels most of the time because you literally say to your teammates: 'Here! Have a stunned, overextended Sion/Xin/Ez/etc. Do what you want with him.' | ||
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Mogwai
United States13274 Posts
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Brees
Marshall Islands3404 Posts
On April 22 2011 04:17 Mogwai wrote: how do people feel about this mastery setup? I've started running it on everyone to great success. keylogger | ||
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Mogwai
United States13274 Posts
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HazMat
United States17077 Posts
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gtrsrs
United States9109 Posts
On April 22 2011 04:17 Mogwai wrote: if I'm gonna be reported for spam, it might as well be a jarizard: it's not bad i would put some of your remaining -357 points into defensive tree though, you're gonna get blown up in lane with that set-up | ||
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gtrsrs
United States9109 Posts
that's interesting that's not the post i quoted! | ||
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Juicyfruit
Canada5484 Posts
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Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
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Caller
Poland8075 Posts
i propose he be removed from the TL team | ||
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Mogwai
United States13274 Posts
On April 22 2011 05:05 Caller wrote: according to bigfatjiji scy duo qs with grackis i propose he be removed from the TL team too late to remove from premier team, we are locked in with our 8 there afaik. also, he's been a really good fit for us, so no. EDIT: not to mention it's nice to have another person who posts on our boards and is active about getting the team better, zzz. | ||
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