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Two_DoWn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States13684 Posts
February 16 2011 07:41 GMT
#7101
My initial Maokai reaction: Low damage, Low cc/peeling abilities, meh utility, and it was unclear how much reduction/damage the ulti did, but it looked low.

Based on the preview at least, the numbers he has seemed pretty bad. But then again, his skills are good, and with the right numbers I think he could be a good tank.

Kinda wish his knock back was further though to help his peeling a bit.
"What is the air speed velocity of an unladen courier?" "Dire or Radiant?"
Caller
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Poland8075 Posts
February 16 2011 07:48 GMT
#7102
another tank that i can triforce on.

fuck yes.
Watch me fail at Paradox: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=397564
Two_DoWn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States13684 Posts
February 16 2011 07:50 GMT
#7103
On February 16 2011 16:48 Caller wrote:
another tank that i can triforce on.

fuck yes.

and then there's that.


Im afraid. Very afraid.
"What is the air speed velocity of an unladen courier?" "Dire or Radiant?"
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-16 07:56:00
February 16 2011 07:50 GMT
#7104
On February 16 2011 16:41 Two_DoWn wrote:
My initial Maokai reaction: Low damage, Low cc/peeling abilities, meh utility, and it was unclear how much reduction/damage the ulti did, but it looked low.

Based on the preview at least, the numbers he has seemed pretty bad. But then again, his skills are good, and with the right numbers I think he could be a good tank.

Kinda wish his knock back was further though to help his peeling a bit.

I really don't think trying to judge a champion's damage potential is a fruitful endeavor with regard to champ spotlights. Likewise, it's hard to judge his peeling ability as low until we see the CD on W.

Remember how people thought Karma's damage was going to be a big deal from her spotlight? Look how that turned out.

TBH I think the biggest utility of the knockback is that it interrupts channels. I don't see it doing enough for any other purpose. At which point, it still looks poor, because you're getting the effect of Amumu's single bandage toss in two skills (Q+W)
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Seuss
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States10536 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-16 07:52:25
February 16 2011 07:51 GMT
#7105
I literally watched and rewatched the moments when the ult was detonated, and it was difficult to see either the graphical effect or the actual damage it did. It may have been that it was always Udyr, Trundle and Amumu running around in there, but it didn't seem substantial.

That said, I do recall that one of the stated reasons why the patch was delayed was because Maokai was underpowered.
"I am not able to carry all this people alone, for they are too heavy for me." -Moses (Numbers 11:14)
Brees
Profile Joined January 2010
Marshall Islands3404 Posts
February 16 2011 07:51 GMT
#7106
that isnt even a knockback wtf...I was thinking like blitz pull range/janna ult knockback not a fucking centimeter. thats so bad.
Brees on in
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-16 07:56:57
February 16 2011 07:54 GMT
#7107
On February 16 2011 16:51 Brees wrote:
that isnt even a knockback wtf...I was thinking like blitz pull range/janna ult knockback not a fucking centimeter. thats so bad.

You expected to get the knockback effect of Janna ult on someone's Q skill? When that champion ALSO has a positioning skill to set up a blowout if it were that big?

Keep dreaming, I guess.

TBH I kind of wish it were a knockup instead of a knockback. Something like a weaker Pulverize.
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Brees
Profile Joined January 2010
Marshall Islands3404 Posts
February 16 2011 07:58 GMT
#7108
it doesnt heal so I dont see whats so ridiculous about what I said. I was thinking a long CD ability (25-30 seconds) with the ability to knockback in a small cone.
Brees on in
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-16 08:13:10
February 16 2011 08:10 GMT
#7109
On February 16 2011 16:58 Brees wrote:
it doesnt heal so I dont see whats so ridiculous about what I said. I was thinking a long CD ability (25-30 seconds) with the ability to knockback in a small cone.

I thought the current design was a circular knockback like Janna's, just way smaller?

And while Janna's heals, she also doesn't have a positioning skill to immediately jump into the middle of 5 people, nor does she have the tankiness to take CC/sustained fire when she gets there. Being able to W->Q into 5 people and perfectly destroy your opponents' positioning every time seems broken.
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Two_DoWn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States13684 Posts
February 16 2011 08:13 GMT
#7110
On February 16 2011 17:10 TheYango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 16 2011 16:58 Brees wrote:
it doesnt heal so I dont see whats so ridiculous about what I said. I was thinking a long CD ability (25-30 seconds) with the ability to knockback in a small cone.

I thought the current design was a circular knockback like Janna's, just way smaller?

I dont even think you can describe it as a knockback. Saying you poke the enemy player back is being generous.
"What is the air speed velocity of an unladen courier?" "Dire or Radiant?"
BlackPaladin
Profile Joined May 2010
United States9316 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-16 08:20:28
February 16 2011 08:17 GMT
#7111
Guys. GUYS. Hey listen. So I just played a game with the #1 amumu. So, the build is this:

Wriggles -> Zerkers -> Spirit visage because amumu needs those deeps and that regen yo. Then, regardless of other teams comp, even if they're all magic damage, get a HoG and build a randuins. YOU NEED IT. Then get a FoN for the added regen. So good man. So good. Try it, you'll see. Regen up da shizza.
"Your full potential does not matter if you do not use all 100% of it."
gtrsrs
Profile Joined June 2010
United States9109 Posts
February 16 2011 08:34 GMT
#7112
maokai looks sooooooo fucking fun
i can tell i'm gonna love playing him, tanks are so fking fun
i play ... hearthstone =\^.^/= Winterfox
HeavOnEarth
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States7087 Posts
February 16 2011 09:44 GMT
#7113
On February 16 2011 17:17 BlackPaladin wrote:
if you want to feel like you got worse at this game read his advice



User was warned for this post
"come korea next time... FXO house... 10 korean, 10 korean"
BlackPaladin
Profile Joined May 2010
United States9316 Posts
February 16 2011 10:34 GMT
#7114
On February 16 2011 18:44 HeavOnEarth wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 16 2011 17:17 BlackPaladin wrote:
if you want to feel like you got worse at this game read his advice



You did not see the sarcasm in the post did you? lol
"Your full potential does not matter if you do not use all 100% of it."
BluzMan
Profile Blog Joined April 2006
Russian Federation4235 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-16 11:06:16
February 16 2011 11:05 GMT
#7115
A good paladin is a dead paladin.

So how do you build Ezreal after his nerf? Still GB/B with an odd Manamune sometimes, or more AP-centric builds? Or not take Ezreal at all now?
You want 20 good men, but you need a bad pussy.
Kaniol
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Poland5551 Posts
February 16 2011 11:26 GMT
#7116
On February 16 2011 20:05 BluzMan wrote:
A good paladin is a dead paladin.

So how do you build Ezreal after his nerf? Still GB/B with an odd Manamune sometimes, or more AP-centric builds? Or not take Ezreal at all now?

I think http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=188759 that is quite a good way to build Ezreal
rewtamus
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States327 Posts
February 16 2011 12:22 GMT
#7117
http://www.sendspace.com/file/pd73yq
trolololol vid^

making singed highlight vid vs scrubs will upload later
emucxg
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Finland4559 Posts
February 16 2011 12:45 GMT
#7118
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=193586

domain for liquidlol subforums
Woony
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Germany6657 Posts
February 16 2011 15:11 GMT
#7119
On February 16 2011 11:13 zulu_nation8 wrote:
Something I noticed with LOL is the top players all seem worse at lasthitting than the top Dota players where lasthitting is much more difficult.


I don't thing lasthitting in Dota is more difficult. Shure, some heros have insanely bad animations but when I switched to LoL it felt to me that the basedamage of heros in LoL is a lot less than in Dota. However in DotA there are denies so you need a lot more mechanical skill anyway.

But I think the main point is that lasthitting/CS is not as important as in Dota, making correct decision in fights etc. is a lot more important.
Scorcher2k
Profile Joined November 2009
United States802 Posts
February 16 2011 15:16 GMT
#7120
On February 16 2011 20:05 BluzMan wrote:
A good paladin is a dead paladin.

So how do you build Ezreal after his nerf? Still GB/B with an odd Manamune sometimes, or more AP-centric builds? Or not take Ezreal at all now?

Ezreal doesn't change at all. You just pay a little more for boots.
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