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LoCicero
Profile Joined August 2010
1100 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-12 19:03:07
February 12 2011 19:02 GMT
#6801
To those of you who think Council is useless. Here is a post I made about Ryze in October in the council forums:

+ Show Spoiler +
So I think we all would pretty much agree that Ryze is a pretty weak champion pick, and that he needs some tweaks to be viable. I think Ryze would be really cool if he was a short range (taken care of already), short cooldown (somewhat taken care of), sustained dps caster.

As of right now he has 3 options:
1) Go tanky w/ banshee's and frozen heart/randuins and max his cooldown reduction.
2) Go hybrid AP/CDR/Tank with a DFG/RoA/frozen heart/etc.
3) Go full AP with Zhona's/void/etc.

Here are the main problems with Ryze (in no particular order):
1) Squishy
2) Short Range (very short range if you're 1v1, if spell flux doesn't bounce you lose)
3) Relatively small AP ratios, probably resulting from the possibilty of getting ridiculous spell flux bounces... owned by RnG.
4) No mobility, ghost and flash are a necessity.

What Ryze brings to the table:
1) Pretty Decent Burst
2) Magic Resistance Reduction

Reasons why I would pick Ryze over Annie in a game:
1) None.

Annie has higher burst, a TRUE stun (that also can be AoE), some survivability from shield, and a pet that does pretty big damage at lower levels simply by auto attacking/standing by someone.

Things that I think should be done to Ryze to make him a cool sustained dps caster:
1) Lower the cooldowns on his moves such that they allow him to chain cast his spells with very little downtime (with maxed cooldown reduction)
2) Lower the AP ratios or base damage of his moves depending on how strong he is early on or later on in the game. I would tend towards lowering base damage on his moves and keeping his ratios the same, allowing a burst Ryze build to still be viable. while keeping the sustained dps cdr version of Ryze in check.
3) Lower the mana costs of his moves.
4) Lower the immobilize duration of his stun, it might get to be too strong with the cooldown changes Actually, scratch that, this move would pretty much be too strong. It would need to be changed into something along the lines of a pretty big slow such that people don't just get nearly perma immobilized. Or maybe giving this move diminishing returns if it's cast on the same target might make it not super OP.
5) Modify his ult to give him some form of survivability/mobility (i.e. giving him a movespeed boost related to how much CDR he has. For instance, have his ult give him 1/2 of his cdr to him in movespeed added onto his base movespeed, possibly removing the AP increase all together if too strong). So assuming cdr reduction of 40% he would have a move speed of approx 450 with lvl 2 boots.

These changes would make Ryze a pretty unique caster and would open up some item builds for him imo.

Anyway, I understand I've kind of already stated this before, but I really believe that Ryze has the potential to be a really awesome caster, but he simply is overshadowed by other casters in this game because he doesn't really serve a purpose. The only champion that his powerset allows him to be compared to is Annie, and she's just simply better. Morg and kass both have pretty similar burst ability as Ryze but can do it with relative safety due to blinks/longer range and higher AP ratios. Not to mention they both have more utility than Ryze (Morg: huge 3 second immobilize, slow ult, spell shield. Kass: long silence, big slow, and a long range short cooldown blink)


Notice any similarities between my post and their changes? =)

The only difference is that they opted to give Ryze more spell range instead of giving him move speed. It's a similar idea, in that it offers survivability just in a different sense.
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
February 12 2011 19:11 GMT
#6802
On February 13 2011 04:02 LoCicero wrote:
The only difference is that they opted to give Ryze more spell range instead of giving him move speed. It's a similar idea, in that it offers survivability just in a different sense.

Wasn't making his ultimate a movespeed buff one of the potential changes they announced a couple months back, too?
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mrgerry
Profile Joined September 2008
United States1508 Posts
February 12 2011 19:20 GMT
#6803
Maybe you should post in council that tryn should be able to ult through suppression. It's like a warwick ulti killing someone with zil ulti. Not chill yo
myopia
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States2928 Posts
February 12 2011 19:24 GMT
#6804
Loci could you post in council about Shen's Vorpal proc-Ki Strike anti-synergy? I've been waiting to see that fixed for many, many months.
it's my first day
locodoco
Profile Joined July 2010
Korea (South)1615 Posts
February 12 2011 19:41 GMT
#6805
On February 13 2011 02:52 Iplaythings wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 13 2011 02:38 locodoco wrote:
On February 13 2011 02:31 NeoIllusions wrote:
On February 13 2011 02:28 locodoco wrote:
at the highest level of play
annie is the best caster in game
better than aniv,vlad,and whoever u can think of
the only hero that comes even close is zil


Why isn't she played more than? Just in general.
And for the record, I think Anivia is best. Annie is second though, easily better than Vlad. Haven't seen anyone play Zil as good as jiji. Should ask Chrispy and yang what they think about jiji Zil. huk

cuz annie's more team dependent than zil or anivia or vlad
its sorta like how ashe is the best carry but no1 plays her in solo q cuz she's more team dependent than trist or corki
if u have annie on ur team,u never ever have to fight a bad fight
always let annie initiate and just follow through
playing vs anivia?
ward their blue and force a fight when anivia tries to take it
playing vs zil?
always start the fight with a tibbers on zil and follow up with stuns after stuns

more general tip, please ?

moar trollage perhaps?
i wish riot would give me better ping
Goshawk.
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United Kingdom5338 Posts
February 12 2011 20:04 GMT
#6806
The quadrakill tourny is live now, doing picks and bans for aAa VS myR:

http://clgaming.net/live/5
Odds
Profile Joined May 2008
Canada1188 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-12 20:11:03
February 12 2011 20:10 GMT
#6807
Kama toki es #1

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Right click -> open/view image: the chat is important
Odds.633, AM. Plat level currently. Would love more practice partners, add me, let's play!
HazMat
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States17077 Posts
February 12 2011 20:11 GMT
#6808
best bird build.
www.youtube.com/user/ShakeDrizzle | League and SSBM content creator | Armada's Youtube Editor
dnastyx
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States2707 Posts
February 12 2011 20:20 GMT
#6809
Isn't Kama Toki that one guy that got all raeg with Elementz? Every time I've run into him my team has just stomped him for free...the guy is awful.
spinesheath
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Germany8679 Posts
February 12 2011 20:38 GMT
#6810
How can #1 Bird not get hit by grenade? I guess by opening with boots... but that's about it?
If you have a good reason to disagree with the above, please tell me. Thank you.
Brees
Profile Joined January 2010
Marshall Islands3404 Posts
February 12 2011 20:44 GMT
#6811
wow ive never played that much in the afternoon before, so many fucking trolls jesus.
Brees on in
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-12 21:19:12
February 12 2011 21:05 GMT
#6812
http://www.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?p=6150336#post6150336

So according to Classick, Randuin's and CDR boots are taking a hit as well.

Personally, I love how, despite the fact that they're trying to hit tanky DPS, Brutalizer/Ghostblade--which is probably more relevant than any of the rest of this stuff, is untouched.
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Iplaythings
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Denmark9110 Posts
February 12 2011 21:13 GMT
#6813
QQ another slap in the face to rhanduins

gonna consider just build wardens mail again lol
In the woods, there lurks..
Two_DoWn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States13684 Posts
February 12 2011 21:18 GMT
#6814
On February 13 2011 06:13 Iplaythings wrote:
QQ another slap in the face to rhanduins

gonna consider just build wardens mail again lol

I dont know why i build randuins in the first place. I always forget to fire it.
"What is the air speed velocity of an unladen courier?" "Dire or Radiant?"
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-12 21:23:20
February 12 2011 21:19 GMT
#6815
At this point I just read "tanky DPS nerfs" and "passive early game" as buzzwords for Riot to make whatever the hell changes they want without any real justification. Because most of the changes they have targeted at one of those tends to have no relevance toward that "issue" (which are not issues I've ever seen any good player complain about), if not having the complete opposite effect.

I mean, who the hell other than forum trolls complain about "tanky DPS" now?
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Kaniol
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Poland5551 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-12 21:22:27
February 12 2011 21:20 GMT
#6816
I feel like Riot really doesn't know what do they want to achieve... CDR was a bad stat before, now that they released Ionians CDR became a cool stat, going for which which was viable (not OP, viable!) so now they decided to hit CDR... What is their problem?
I get a feeling that Riot wants people to get a little CDR but not hit the cap, however this would be just plain stupid since CDR is "either max or don't get it" kind of stat...

Hitting Ionians may actually hit Vladimir but at the cost of making an item that was cool choice for some champs just not worth it on anyone except for Vlad...

BTW - there are two big items that give hp+armor in game - these are SFC and Randu. Obviously people will always pick the one that gives more hp+armor, but Riot instead just switches between nerfing one of them as soon as the other one got too UP for people to buy it.
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-12 21:38:33
February 12 2011 21:31 GMT
#6817
On February 13 2011 06:20 Kaniol wrote:
I get a feeling that Riot wants people to get a little CDR but not hit the cap, however this would be just plain stupid since CDR is "either max or don't get it" kind of stat...

I think part of it is that they want it to be good on casters so they have a multiplicative damage scaling stat, but at the same time have a hard time balancing how much they want available to non-caster champions.

Of course, if they wanted to do that, they should be designing a new caster CDR item other than DFG.

And again, if they want to hit tanky DPS CDR availability, it makes no sense to be nerfing Frozen Heart and Soul Shroud while leaving Brutalizer untouched.

On February 13 2011 06:20 Kaniol wrote:
BTW - there are two big items that give hp+armor in game - these are SFC and Randu. Obviously people will always pick the one that gives more hp+armor, but Riot instead just switches between nerfing one of them as soon as the other one got too UP for people to buy it.

Eventually they'll nerf them hard enough that neither will be worth getting over stacking HoGs or holding onto Chain Vests/Giant's Belts.
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Two_DoWn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States13684 Posts
February 12 2011 21:41 GMT
#6818
Oh my god, riot actually listened to me and made a post announcing the quadrakill series! Own3d fucked it up, but hey, its a start.
"What is the air speed velocity of an unladen courier?" "Dire or Radiant?"
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
February 12 2011 23:19 GMT
#6819
So from watching the quadrakill tournament I must admit something struck me that I've never paid attention to before (and maybe I should have been)...
What hotkeys do all of you use when playing the game?
Aside from obvious QWER DFB 1-6 for items (I usually use 1 and 4 myself for on-use or pots).
Are there any other hotkeys that I should be using that I'm not? I'm honestly afraid to ask this now because it'll make me out to be an even bigger noob than I already am....

I specifically ask because it looked as though the screen was being scrolled without the mouse...
twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
myopia
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States2928 Posts
February 12 2011 23:20 GMT
#6820
space bar: tap to center screen on your champ, hold to lock camera

invaluable for Shen tbh
it's my first day
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