Nah, the thing is, if you had lifesteal runes, you could jungle really well with just razor (not needing wriggles), and that would change the dynamics alot.

awesomoboi

United States42 Posts

January 25 2011 02:08 GMT

#5024

On January 25 2011 10:42 Two_DoWn wrote:
Its too bad riot would never release lifesteal runes cuz it would let so many more people jungle.

I want this so bad, but it would be soooo good on ranged carries, lol.
And doesn't full armor + 21 defensive masteries let anyone jungle with smite? I mean it's not an optimal set, but allows anyone to jungle, I think.

Abenson

Canada4122 Posts

January 25 2011 02:24 GMT

#5025

IMO:
Technically speaking, anyone can jungle, but some are just so bad that it's not viable

Jokey665

United States138 Posts

January 25 2011 02:47 GMT

#5026

I'd love if there were lifesteal/spellvamp runes :O

I'd run full spellvamp on like every caster. I have an unhealthy love for spellvamp.

Brambled

United States750 Posts

January 25 2011 03:03 GMT

#5027

I have been watching Choax stream lately and I keep hearing him say Warmog's is not efficient. I always thought after warmog buff it was actually more efficient than the giants belt.

I did some quick numbers and with belt you got 1hp/.4 gold and for Warmog 1hp/.46g and this isn't including the added bonus of HP5 from the Warmog.

Any input because I love grabbing Warmog's when I need a big HP item because I can usually farm it to max in 5-10min easy.

ZERG_RUSSIAN

10417 Posts

January 25 2011 03:20 GMT

#5028

I used to think the same way but basically what it comes down to is that you're building a pure HP item for 3k, which is pretty dumb if you think about it.

Tooplark

United States3977 Posts

January 25 2011 03:21 GMT

#5029

The only problem with Warmog IMO is how big of an investment it is in only health.

Brees

Marshall Islands3404 Posts

January 25 2011 03:25 GMT

#5030

warmog's is good vs teams with true damage, small burst spells, and carries that dont buy IE

situtional but not useless

gtrsrs

United States9109 Posts

January 25 2011 03:28 GMT

#5031

warmog only good on a champ that has natural mitigation ala rammus/amumu or a champion that gets some sort of bonus from HP ala vladimir/malphite

also what brees said

BlackPaladin

United States9316 Posts

January 25 2011 03:30 GMT

#5032

Warmogs only really becomes efficient after it gets fully stacked. You have a really weak point between where you are getting it and where it's stacked where you only have some extra health, no armor, and no MR. Sure, after you're fully geared it can be a good item to increase your survivability, because MR + armor has diminishing returns, giving health a good addition to give you better survivability than more armor + MR.

However, Warmogs is more of a lategame item, but you need it early in order to get it stacked. That's a big problem with it. It's not a bad item but it's a large investment hoping that you will be able to stack it + get the gold for the armor + MR to back up your large amounts of HP. And in higher level games you'll rarely see such a scenario plausible.

Tooplark

United States3977 Posts

January 25 2011 03:30 GMT

#5033

It also is good on mundo because the hp regen makes it easier to farm with Burning Agony and you get a decent amount of armor and mres from other sources (passive levelup, runes, masteries)

Juicyfruit

Canada5484 Posts

January 25 2011 03:52 GMT

#5034

New thing:

40% cdr on everyone, always.

Dgiese

United States2687 Posts

January 25 2011 05:45 GMT

#5035

On January 25 2011 12:03 Brambled wrote:
I have been watching Choax stream lately and I keep hearing him say Warmog's is not efficient. I always thought after warmog buff it was actually more efficient than the giants belt.

I did some quick numbers and with belt you got 1hp/.4 gold and for Warmog 1hp/.46g and this isn't including the added bonus of HP5 from the Warmog.

Any input because I love grabbing Warmog's when I need a big HP item because I can usually farm it to max in 5-10min easy.

On January 25 2011 04:00 Dgiese wrote:
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Our other 2 teammates even decided to join in the glory.

Nuf said.

Oh and that DFG that Yi had... fucking exploded my shit. Fortunately Warmogs veigar Veigar exploded his.

I'm pretty sure Warmogs Veigar is the perfect counter to AP Yi, heard it here first.

.AK

United States561 Posts

January 25 2011 06:00 GMT

#5036

Simple question
Do you need runes / full masteries to jungle? I recently tried but couldn't take down blue as WW

awesomoboi

United States42 Posts

January 25 2011 06:04 GMT

#5037

On January 25 2011 15:00 AKcommie wrote:
Simple question
Do you need runes / full masteries to jungle? I recently tried but couldn't take down blue as WW

Don't think so. If I remember correctly, someone said they could do a full clear as WW at summoner level.. 24? 25? Somewhere in low 20's I think, and they said lowest HP they hit was 25% starting at blue.

What level are you? Try speccing into defensive masteries or asking teammates for help if you can't take blue. Running tier 1 runes temporarily also helps a lot if you're absolutely runeless and don't have much IP.

Abenson

Canada4122 Posts

January 25 2011 06:06 GMT

#5038

On January 25 2011 15:04 awesomoboi wrote:

Show nested quote +

I cleared it, and i'm lv25. So yea, roughly around 25.
By the way, I think zil is becoming the new fotm lol

Two_DoWn

United States13684 Posts

January 25 2011 06:24 GMT

#5039

It is possible to do a full jungle clear at level 1 as ww, or at least it was. Cloth+5hp pots, w starting at small golems after smiting wraith, then little wolves. Only problem was you couldnt quite ding 3 off of that, so you had to steal like 2 minions worth of exp off of top or mid. Although with the new jungle changes im sure it cant be done anymore.