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dnastyx
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BlackPaladin
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As for Deathcap....old Zhonyas....those items will just always be core items on casters. It's just in the basic design of the items - high AP with a passive that gives you greater AP. Even if you don't rush it you'll still get it eventually, because the passive is so useful and makes all your AP items stronger. But removing such an item is just nerfing all casters, as while casters are limited by cooldowns, autoattacking carries are not and so will simply be stronger. You need to be able to have a lot more AP than the opponent can have AD to make up for that. | ||
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Phrost
United States4008 Posts
There is no "increases attack damage by x%" sword or whatever so i dont know why there is something for casters. | ||
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HeavOnEarth
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On January 07 2011 10:29 BlackPaladin wrote: As for Deathcap....old Zhonyas....those items will just always be core items on casters. It's just in the basic design of the items - high AP with a passive that gives you greater AP. Even if you don't rush it you'll still get it eventually, because the passive is so useful and makes all your AP items stronger. But removing such an item is just nerfing all casters, as while casters are limited by cooldowns, autoattacking carries are not and so will simply be stronger. You need to be able to have a lot more AP than the opponent can have AD to make up for that. See, that's the thing--there were plenty of casters for which the old Zhonya's wasn't a core item. Annie valued penetration stats over pure AP, Anivia needed the mana from AA staff to maintain sustainability without Golem buff, etc. Particularly on a few champs where the active wasn't a deal-breaker, Zhonya's was more of a late game luxury than an actual core item. Of course, with the active gimmick replaced with raw cost-effectiveness, Deathcap is much harder to ignore. | ||
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UniversalSnip
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On January 07 2011 10:31 Phrost wrote: Honestly I don't know why they have a passive that increases ap by %. It would lead to better and more interesting itemization if it had a different offensive stat that didn't have such a significant impact on the quality of other items. There is no "increases attack damage by x%" sword or whatever so i dont know why there is something for casters. You mean like infinity edge? | ||
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BlackPaladin
United States9316 Posts
^ criticals = 100% increase | ||
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Phrost
United States4008 Posts
That's not the same as increasing everything by x%. it increases criticals, which are only a portion of your actual damage. The deathcap increases all AP by 30%, which is essentially everything you get that isnt base on spells. | ||
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On January 07 2011 11:55 Phrost wrote: That's not the same as increasing everything by x%. it increases criticals, which are only a portion of your actual damage. The deathcap increases all AP by 30%, which is essentially everything you get that isnt base on spells. It's still a multiplicative benefit towards the effect of getting additional AD. How much it is depends on the actual numbers of the effect, but mechanically they're still multiplicative AD/AP benefits just the same. | ||
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ZERG_RUSSIAN
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On January 07 2011 11:03 HeavOnEarth wrote: season 2 soon =o. I asked phreak about this on vent one day and he just straight up didnt respond. I was like "well, it's been almost 26 weeks, which is half a year, is season 2 coming next week?" and everyone I was with was just like "he's not gonna answer that" lol. | ||
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ZERG_RUSSIAN
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On January 07 2011 09:49 SCling wrote: They will nerf Deathcap. As of right now it's too good of an item, and it will becomes that "all around AP caster item" that riot tried to avoid by splitting up Zhonyas. On January 05 2011 17:20 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote: "Guys we have to remove zhonyas" "everyone's gonna QQ" "ok how about we just split it and make the items overpowered as fuck" "wut" "then next patch we can be like 'whoops we fucked up, that was way too powerful' 'that is funny because we totally tested it'" | ||
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UniversalSnip
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On January 07 2011 12:10 TheYango wrote: It's still a multiplicative benefit towards the effect of getting additional AD. How much it is depends on the actual numbers of the effect, but mechanically they're still multiplicative AD/AP benefits just the same. Infinity edge even multiplies the multiplier it gives. Sweet! | ||
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ZERG_RUSSIAN
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On January 07 2011 08:41 Seuss wrote: 5Hit on TreeEskimo's stream. #1 Warwick. Edit: +1 Namedrop. That game was so stacked, we had Elementz as captain and Sologamer/TreeEskimo/SushiZPimp and me as last pick. We crushed them soooooo hard lol. | ||
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mrgerry
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Also in a completely unrelated to LoL topic I watched Blue Velvet for the first time tonight and couldn't stop laughing at this scene. RIP Dennis Hopper | ||
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dnastyx
United States2707 Posts
Hey TL I have a question, why won't people let me solo as tryn in ranked yet when I solo mid teemo i hear zero qq? Because Teemo is a strong laner? | ||
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Two_DoWn
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BlackPaladin
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On January 07 2011 13:13 Two_DoWn wrote: Pantheon is officially the most buggy hero ever. Apparently riot found a way to break his w, as it just flat out didnt stun my target 5 times the last game i played. That's been a known bug for a loooong time. They never fixed it. I think he's even more buggy now though b/c of the whole new way his ult works. I've seen people cancel it sooo many times, and I've even done so sometimes, because I'm not sure WHEN I'm actually jumping in and can then w so he'll auto jump in and stun them. Used to be when circle appeared but now it appears for you beforehand so it's more down to knowing the timing. =/ | ||
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Two_DoWn
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HazMat
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BlackPaladin
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 Was just adding another problem with him too. Pantheon has always been like the buggiest champ. Ever. I think only poppy is really the only other contender for the title, with her smashing through walls with her charge lol. | ||
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