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mrgerry
United States1508 Posts
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barbsq
United States5348 Posts
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Juicyfruit
Canada5484 Posts
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spinesheath
Germany8679 Posts
On December 24 2010 03:41 barbsq wrote: so, i had a question, a friend told me that because of zhonya's passive (increase AP by 25%), you should never get it before other ap items. Makes no sense. If his reasoning is that Zhonyas is not cost efficient unless you have X AP from other sources then that is fine. In that case you would weigh the lack of cost efficient AP against the active. If he means it as you stated, then the only conlusion should be that AFTER you got Zhonyas, other AP items become even better. | ||
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r33k
Italy3402 Posts
On December 24 2010 03:41 barbsq wrote: so, i had a question, a friend told me that because of zhonya's passive (increase AP by 25%), you should never get it before other ap items. i disagreed and told him that there was nothing wrong rushing zhonyas. He refuses to change his stance and neither do I, not to mention neither of our arguments for/against rushing the item are very strong, so i decided to ask tl's opinion He's wrong and you're right. If zhonya gave 0 AP that would definitely make sense since you'd be paying 3480g only for the active, but you're getting the 2nd highest AP item which boosts itself and gives you a nice immunity shield since you didn't get any resistance items. | ||
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Uhlan
United States51 Posts
Anyway, I've been trying to follow the guides on TL about Olaf .(Brown Wolf->Blue->Small Wolves->Wraiths->Golems->Re->Red->Gank jungle order, as well as Cloth+5pot->Boots1->HoG->Finish Randuin's->FoN item build) But I'm still having some pretty severe problems and I'd love answers to a few questions I have about Olaf and jungling in general. 1. When should I stop buying health pots? 2. How can I maximize my chances of getting a kill through the level 4 gank? 3. When are good times to get dragon? 4. After the level 4 gank, what do I do? If it's successful I've been getting dragon with bot laners, then going back to jungle, but I don't really know what to do after that. When it's unsuccessful I just go back to jungle. 5. Specifically to Olaf, what should I be doing in team fights? I feel like I go down very fast even with Ragnarok and nothing but tank items. On top of these questions, I've been falling behind my allies in terms of experience, at best I'm 2 levels behind the duo laners when they hit 18, I've heard that I should be slightly ahead of them, what am I doing wrong? Any tips outside of these questions for jungling (especially ones that seem obvious to you but are important for someone who just started jungling) are hugely appreciated. HUGE thanks to anyone who replies. | ||
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ghen
United States1356 Posts
On December 24 2010 03:41 barbsq wrote: so, i had a question, a friend told me that because of zhonya's passive (increase AP by 25%), you should never get it before other ap items. i disagreed and told him that there was nothing wrong rushing zhonyas. He refuses to change his stance and neither do I, not to mention neither of our arguments for/against rushing the item are very strong, so i decided to ask tl's opinion I don't rush zhonyas mainly because I don't need the active during laning. I will buy a NLR as my first item if I've done well enough though. Building full items is kinda inefficient early unless you can use the extra passives. So unless its RoA or Rylais or something else that has a great early game advantage, I usually just fill up my inventory with as many NLR/blasting rods/negatrons I need and then build the final items later. Especially late game items like void staff or mid/late items like zhonyas. | ||
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HazMat
United States17077 Posts
You guys don't even know. Damn Chrispy, Smash and 5hit all beat me in solo queue elo, guess I have to start solo QQ'ing. Rofl who am I kidding, not gonna bother carrying 1300 meki pendant sivir. | ||
TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On December 24 2010 03:41 barbsq wrote: so, i had a question, a friend told me that because of zhonya's passive (increase AP by 25%), you should never get it before other ap items. i disagreed and told him that there was nothing wrong rushing zhonyas. He refuses to change his stance and neither do I, not to mention neither of our arguments for/against rushing the item are very strong, so i decided to ask tl's opinion As others have stated, your friend is not considering that the active can make the item cost-effective, despite not strictly being so based on AP until you have ~100 outside AP. Particularly on champions that can make especially good use of the Zhonya active (Morgana, Kennen, Heimerdinger, etc.), rushing Zhonya's can work out well, particularly if you expect to move quickly out of the laning phase into team-fights. That said, I wouldn't generally apply this to all casters, particularly those that enjoy the laning benefits of having a Catalyst. | ||
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Fates
United States91 Posts
On December 24 2010 04:05 Uhlan wrote: So I got Olaf yesterday and have played 10 games since, I'm new to jungling but when laning I'm usually pretty solid. Jungling is like playing a completely different game. Anyway, I've been trying to follow the guides on TL about Olaf .(Brown Wolf->Blue->Small Wolves->Wraiths->Golems->Re->Red->Gank jungle order, as well as Cloth+5pot->Boots1->HoG->Finish Randuin's->FoN item build) But I'm still having some pretty severe problems and I'd love answers to a few questions I have about Olaf and jungling in general. 1. When should I stop buying health pots? 2. How can I maximize my chances of getting a kill through the level 4 gank? 3. When are good times to get dragon? 4. After the level 4 gank, what do I do? If it's successful I've been getting dragon with bot laners, then going back to jungle, but I don't really know what to do after that. When it's unsuccessful I just go back to jungle. 5. Specifically to Olaf, what should I be doing in team fights? I feel like I go down very fast even with Ragnarok and nothing but tank items. On top of these questions, I've been falling behind my allies in terms of experience, at best I'm 2 levels behind the duo laners when they hit 18, I've heard that I should be slightly ahead of them, what am I doing wrong? Any tips outside of these questions for jungling (especially ones that seem obvious to you but are important for someone who just started jungling) are hugely appreciated. HUGE thanks to anyone who replies. 1. It may just be me, but I rarely buy health pots after the initial 5. Especially once I get my razor, I can keep his health pretty high. You just gonna have to feel it out for yourself. 2. Be patient, and coordinated with your team. Lots of Olaf's insist on not throwing the axe until you're chasing them, that way you can pick it up when you're chasing them. But sometimes you have to throw the axe before that. 3. You need to judge when it's safe. Always assume it's warded, and when taking dragon, be wary of the lanes. If bot and mid go mia, you're probably in trouble. But as for when to take dragon, judge the lanes. Is mid heavily pushed? Did bottom just get a kill or two? Have you run into their jungle in a while? It's best to take it after a successful gank and with the assistance of your bot and possibly mid lane. 4. Going back to jungle, and looking for another gank opportunity. You have to do your best to keep up on level and cs, and gank whenever you can. 5. Just charge and focus the carries. Most of the time, they will run like crazy, leaving the enemy team without 1 character of sustainable damage. It's hard to beat olaf 1v1, if you build him correectly, so their tanks and support will also focus you. Hopefully this drags on long enough that your team does the damage needed. Don't get too down if you die alot, just see if it's worth it. If you die, but your team killed 3 in the process, that's good. 6. It sounds like you aren't in the jungle enough. Don't spend 10 mins waiting in the bush for a gank, if it's not present, go jungle and come back. As for tips, just stick with it. You'll get more of a jungle sense as you jungle more, and although it can be frustrating at times, keep at it, and you'll do well. | ||
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ZERG_RUSSIAN
10417 Posts
Most epic streaming of LoL on the internet! Gimme some upvotes, promote the channel  . | ||
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r33k
Italy3402 Posts
As for the jungling route, don't start on the big wolf, that's a nunu thing. Either start at their wraiths, smiting the big one and proceed to your wraiths>golem>standard route or start at golem/golems depending on what your opponents are doing. 1.Never stop buying health pots. Whenever you b you should follow a little checklist: If you can afford a ward instead, then don't buy one. If your inventory is full, don't buy one. In all other cases always get a couple as money allows. 1 health pot=200 hp, that's more than a 475g red gem. 2.Ghost. 3.Whenever mid or bot got a kill, if you can spare a ward (ie you had it on you but didn't ward dragon yet) then use it at their blue if bot died or at the side of the river close to mid if mid died (it's clunky to explain with wards, basically if they're blue you ward the triangle to the right of their wraiths so that you can see 3 ways they can go to. If they're purple ward the brush on their side of the river so that you can fully see the river and part of the brush itself.) Always have your teammates help you, you get low while jungling and that leaves you vulnerable. 4.What you are doing is correct, if dragon isn't safe then just take something from their jungle. You should have 2 ranks in W and 1 in E and Q if you're lv4, so you are going to be quite durable. Try intercepting their jungler and go for the kill. 5.Run in right beside your tank to let him eat binds, as soon as skillshots start flying pop your ult, as soon as you have 3 ppl in range randuin's and then yeah, spam dat true damage. Your axe is just a ranged randuin's, don't worry if you miss it and most importantly don't use it to harass. Extras.Counterjungle. You kill your creeps faster than they respawn, in fact you kill creeps faster than anyone else. With a couple potions on hand you can W hard on the last camps before switching to your opponent's side. The best first b item on olaf in my eyes is always boots1. Get them quick, buy a ward with them and sprint to dragon before continuing to jungle. 90% of the times you will be going randuins>mercs>BV but if your team manages to kill the enemy jungler (and you get 1 or 2 kills + dragon) then you can opt to just counterjungle hard and buy a wriggles. Ward his red, ward his blue whenever you can and gimp that poor warwick so hard that he won't be able to do anything all game. In other news, OH SHIT EVE TIER 1 LOLOLOLOLOL | ||
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HazMat
United States17077 Posts
Glad I'm not the only one that thinks Blitz is really strong. | ||
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myopia
United States2928 Posts
On December 24 2010 05:34 HazMat wrote: http://www.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?t=409225 Glad I'm not the only one that thinks Blitz is really strong. The annoying thing about Blitz (and Rammus) is the combination of insane chase/escape skills with strong CC. There's no running from them. compare to Kassadin: He's got imba blink but he's not taunting/popping you constantly. | ||
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gtrsrs
United States9109 Posts
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L
Canada4732 Posts
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spinesheath
Germany8679 Posts
On December 24 2010 05:34 HazMat wrote: http://www.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?t=409225 Glad I'm not the only one that thinks Blitz is really strong. Sounds like they want to completely throw jungle Eve out of the game? How would they do that? She's melee DPS, so she has to have enough DPS to be able to jungle at an ok-ish speed or else she will just be completely useless no matter where she goes. And any changes to stealth (for example a blur like in SC) will most likely only help the better players, leading to massive QQ from baddies. Removing her stealth entirely would be retarded as well. (actually I can see it coming: Hate Spike doesn't target neutral monsters and Eve's basic attacks only deal half damage to them) Btw Eve #1 ban on EU. At least on 1600-1700 it seems. And in inhouses. Especially in inhouses. On December 24 2010 05:57 L wrote: I'd hate his hook colliding with teammates unless you had some kind of alternate pull. Pretty sure it would gut and blitz/melee dps team fight combination, because god knows pudge loved pullin' dem bros back. Could be implemented like this: When clicking directly on an ally (or using Fkeys obv), it becomes a guaranteed friendly pull. Otherwise it's the good old skillshot. But he's OP, and this would be a buff! | ||
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SagaZ
France3460 Posts
stealth should either be DT style blur or like you can see the guy if you're character is looking directly at it, but if the stealther is behind you you can't. Could lead to some epic kills or stealth bust | ||
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
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spinesheath
Germany8679 Posts
On December 24 2010 06:16 SagaZ wrote: so no nidalee buffs? =( stealth should either be DT style blur or like you can see the guy if you're character is looking directly at it, but if the stealther is behind you you can't. Could lead to some epic kills or stealth bust The problem is: A good player will spot the blur in over 90% of the cases. Stealth will be useless then. A bad player will spot it in less than 10% of the cases. Which makes it just like the current stealth, and even more so a pubstomping mechanism because the lack of full stealth has to be compensated with other buffs. Most players "dance" while laning, moving back and forth and in circles. Mostly because you don't want to autoattack, but also to stay unpredictable etc. Which means that you will see an approaching stealthed champ fairly quickly if you introduce that "looking at him" thing. Again worse for bad players because they won't dance as much, and instead just autoattack, while good players will know that there is an Eve on the map and just move in circles all day long. | ||
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