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Irave
Profile Joined October 2010
United States9965 Posts
July 20 2011 04:37 GMT
#21961
Have no fear!

"This post is mainly to clear up rumors. CLG is definitely going to be attending IEM. Although we will be without our main player, Chauster... due to his professor unwilling to reschedule his finals on August 18th (1month in advance request still no work 8-<). We do have decent backup choices in mind, and we will surely be doing some hardcore training with many top teams.

CLG will be @ IEM to get some revenge and represent North America!"
Niton
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States2395 Posts
July 20 2011 04:37 GMT
#21962
Passive: +Armor/MR per champion near
Q: Attack (reset?) + armor reduction
W: Shaco clone + invis + AoE on death
E: Gap closer + Mace of Spades
R: DEMACIAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
tree.hugger: Coming off of [(T)fantasy v. (T)Really] into [(T)Barracks v. (T)MVP] is like coming out of Manhattan into New Jersey. You just have to speed up and ignore it.
r33k
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Italy3402 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-20 04:44:31
July 20 2011 04:43 GMT
#21963
On July 20 2011 13:27 UniversalSnip wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 20 2011 13:18 r33k wrote:
On July 20 2011 13:10 Brees wrote:
stun lanes are fun for lookin cool in pubs but that shit really doesnt transfer over at all. The Bushes will get warded by supports and they will simply keep their distance and cs. Then you are left with 2 bumbling average cs characters that cant do anything past lane domination. Even if you kill support/ad carry lane once or twice with blitz/poppy, you are still only breaking even or maybe even still down.

3man tower kill at lv5 after a successful gank still kills a carry for the rest of the game. Especially if you have blitz+alistar to press your advantage.

On July 20 2011 13:09 UniversalSnip wrote:
On July 20 2011 13:01 r33k wrote:
On July 20 2011 12:58 UniversalSnip wrote:
On July 20 2011 12:50 r33k wrote:
On July 20 2011 12:42 UniversalSnip wrote:
On July 20 2011 12:28 r33k wrote:
On July 20 2011 12:14 TheYango wrote:
On July 20 2011 12:01 r33k wrote:
Again, it depends on how much gold the creeps will give. They could just make freefarming in the jungle completely unviable by tweaking that. Or even tweak the exp/gold values on jungle creeps and kills.

You can't balance jungling being dependent on gank gold at all levels. Ganks turn into kills way more often in low-level play than they do in high-level play--where you get summoners/bluepills way more often.

You can balance exp tho, making rich junglers who are squishy by nature overly squishy or vice versa.

On July 20 2011 12:16 UniversalSnip wrote:
On July 20 2011 12:01 r33k wrote:
Please define what you mean by "don't need red". Right now only the gankers that can chase, survive trading blows and tower dive don't need red. I don't believe that simply giving an inbuilt slow to squishy junglers would make them safe gankers.


I have no idea what you're saying, can you please rephrase this? I think you might have misread my post because I seriously don't understand where you're coming from.

What champions were you referring to.


I listed three that could be much more effective early if weren't for the threat of being imba with red buff... shaco nunu and ww. There are a number of characters that red buff causes problems on though.

Remember when eve could jungle? She's bad for the game no matter what, but when she could freely pick up lizard it broke the character.

Nunu doesn't need redbuff, neither does ww when ganking a lane where your teammate has another stun and big damage (annie, sion, malz), shaco is useless and needs a full rework. Even then, make E a more efficient slow and his ganking would be fine.

EDIT: this is referring to the current redbuff. As I said before I highly doubt Guinsoo would make redbuff into just a passive +ms buff.


We're talking early game, like levels 1-5. WW is king of sustain but in straight up 1 vs 1 instead of an attrition scenario he's quite weak early without red. Good luck ganking with nunu against somebody who isn't overextended without red. etc. Basically there are a lot of characters that have to be set up so they're balanced early with red, as a result they're weak without it for the first few levels.

You completely lost me. Are you suggesting that jungle WW should gank before lv6 and that nunu needs a melee slow to get 2v1 kills?


I'm only gonna go over this one more time ok? If it still doesn't make sense I'm sorry I'm explaining it so poorly.

Because red is in the game, characters that can get red early have to SUCK BALLS at ganking and/or fighting until level 5 or 6 without it. Otherwise they would be BROKEN GOD GANKERS with it. This is what happened to eve, they basically had to remove red buff from her because she was good at ganking without it and just stupid with it.

If you remove RED BUFF, you can take these champions - most junglers - that are kinda garbage gankers without red and good ones with it and make them decent gankers without red.

Simply put, no. You can't give a slow or a stun to every champion who can't tank a tower. Every character would play exactly the same and is the worst thing that can happen to a game.


When did I say that lol

These characters are just weaker early in a number of ways than they would need to be if red weren't there, not necessarily cc. If you just pick a random character... and go fight a typical jungle character at level one straight up hardly a single jungler will be able to win.

A character without CC is not a ganker. Even if you buff, say, Yi's early game damage he won't be able to gank someone at 100% hp. Your second statement makes little to no sense and I can't see how it's related to anything we were talking about. Are you referring to base stats? To the jungler being forced to start with a skill that isn't for killing people?

Anyways I'm dropping this. gl hf

Also monkey king wtf.
Seiuchi
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States931 Posts
July 20 2011 04:46 GMT
#21964
On July 20 2011 13:37 Irave wrote:
Have no fear!

"This post is mainly to clear up rumors. CLG is definitely going to be attending IEM. Although we will be without our main player, Chauster... due to his professor unwilling to reschedule his finals on August 18th (1month in advance request still no work 8-<). We do have decent backup choices in mind, and we will surely be doing some hardcore training with many top teams.

CLG will be @ IEM to get some revenge and represent North America!"


I hope they stuff Pobelter in a bag and drag him to Germany with them. That or #1 Locodoco.
Juicyfruit
Profile Joined May 2008
Canada5484 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-20 04:48:50
July 20 2011 04:46 GMT
#21965
Tank with stealth.

My god.

Initiate with R, do whatever to their carry, then bail with stealth

Now you need oracle for tank k.
UniversalSnip
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
9871 Posts
July 20 2011 04:53 GMT
#21966
On July 20 2011 13:43 r33k wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 20 2011 13:27 UniversalSnip wrote:
On July 20 2011 13:18 r33k wrote:
On July 20 2011 13:10 Brees wrote:
stun lanes are fun for lookin cool in pubs but that shit really doesnt transfer over at all. The Bushes will get warded by supports and they will simply keep their distance and cs. Then you are left with 2 bumbling average cs characters that cant do anything past lane domination. Even if you kill support/ad carry lane once or twice with blitz/poppy, you are still only breaking even or maybe even still down.

3man tower kill at lv5 after a successful gank still kills a carry for the rest of the game. Especially if you have blitz+alistar to press your advantage.

On July 20 2011 13:09 UniversalSnip wrote:
On July 20 2011 13:01 r33k wrote:
On July 20 2011 12:58 UniversalSnip wrote:
On July 20 2011 12:50 r33k wrote:
On July 20 2011 12:42 UniversalSnip wrote:
On July 20 2011 12:28 r33k wrote:
On July 20 2011 12:14 TheYango wrote:
[quote]
You can't balance jungling being dependent on gank gold at all levels. Ganks turn into kills way more often in low-level play than they do in high-level play--where you get summoners/bluepills way more often.

You can balance exp tho, making rich junglers who are squishy by nature overly squishy or vice versa.

On July 20 2011 12:16 UniversalSnip wrote:
[quote]

I have no idea what you're saying, can you please rephrase this? I think you might have misread my post because I seriously don't understand where you're coming from.

What champions were you referring to.


I listed three that could be much more effective early if weren't for the threat of being imba with red buff... shaco nunu and ww. There are a number of characters that red buff causes problems on though.

Remember when eve could jungle? She's bad for the game no matter what, but when she could freely pick up lizard it broke the character.

Nunu doesn't need redbuff, neither does ww when ganking a lane where your teammate has another stun and big damage (annie, sion, malz), shaco is useless and needs a full rework. Even then, make E a more efficient slow and his ganking would be fine.

EDIT: this is referring to the current redbuff. As I said before I highly doubt Guinsoo would make redbuff into just a passive +ms buff.


We're talking early game, like levels 1-5. WW is king of sustain but in straight up 1 vs 1 instead of an attrition scenario he's quite weak early without red. Good luck ganking with nunu against somebody who isn't overextended without red. etc. Basically there are a lot of characters that have to be set up so they're balanced early with red, as a result they're weak without it for the first few levels.

You completely lost me. Are you suggesting that jungle WW should gank before lv6 and that nunu needs a melee slow to get 2v1 kills?


I'm only gonna go over this one more time ok? If it still doesn't make sense I'm sorry I'm explaining it so poorly.

Because red is in the game, characters that can get red early have to SUCK BALLS at ganking and/or fighting until level 5 or 6 without it. Otherwise they would be BROKEN GOD GANKERS with it. This is what happened to eve, they basically had to remove red buff from her because she was good at ganking without it and just stupid with it.

If you remove RED BUFF, you can take these champions - most junglers - that are kinda garbage gankers without red and good ones with it and make them decent gankers without red.

Simply put, no. You can't give a slow or a stun to every champion who can't tank a tower. Every character would play exactly the same and is the worst thing that can happen to a game.


When did I say that lol

These characters are just weaker early in a number of ways than they would need to be if red weren't there, not necessarily cc. If you just pick a random character... and go fight a typical jungle character at level one straight up hardly a single jungler will be able to win.

A character without CC is not a ganker. Even if you buff, say, Yi's early game damage he won't be able to gank someone at 100% hp. Your second statement makes little to no sense and I can't see how it's related to anything we were talking about. Are you referring to base stats? To the jungler being forced to start with a skill that isn't for killing people?

Anyways I'm dropping this. gl hf

Also monkey king wtf.


If most junglers weren't so horrible at fighting early I think a movespeed buff would be enough for them to gank someone from 100%, yes. Red gives ALL junglers cc, if they didn't all have it they could be stronger in other ways that you are just used to them being weak in... it's pretty simple.
"How fucking dare you defile the sanctity of DotA with your fucking casual plebian terminology? May the curse of Gaben and Volvo be upon you. le filthy casual."
Phrost
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States4008 Posts
July 20 2011 04:58 GMT
#21967
Wukong looks pretty beast, I dislike that his ultimate is basically DEMACIAAA but with a big movespeed bonus
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locodoco
Profile Joined July 2010
Korea (South)1615 Posts
July 20 2011 04:59 GMT
#21968
On July 20 2011 13:46 Seiuchi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 20 2011 13:37 Irave wrote:
Have no fear!

"This post is mainly to clear up rumors. CLG is definitely going to be attending IEM. Although we will be without our main player, Chauster... due to his professor unwilling to reschedule his finals on August 18th (1month in advance request still no work 8-<). We do have decent backup choices in mind, and we will surely be doing some hardcore training with many top teams.

CLG will be @ IEM to get some revenge and represent North America!"


I hope they stuff Pobelter in a bag and drag him to Germany with them. That or #1 Locodoco.

not to get any1's(mostly me lol) hopes up,but im one of the backup choices they have in mind :3
brb practicing ad carrys~
i wish riot would give me better ping
gtrsrs
Profile Joined June 2010
United States9109 Posts
July 20 2011 05:02 GMT
#21969
I think there's a bit much theorycrafting going on in here
Red change could go in several ways
A. They want jungle to be less smite dependent. Now you take flash exhaust on yi. Problem, vlad?
B. The red buff really does hurt ganks. Now instead lanes can afford to be more aggressive and jungle becomes it's own lane where you fight enemy jungler etc
C. Jungle opens up to support chars. Now you can put nasus here so he'll get tons of farm and have item advantage lategame without falling off the map for lack of ganks or being zoned in jungle.

Mb argue less and speculate more
i play ... hearthstone =\^.^/= Winterfox
Chairman Ray
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States11903 Posts
July 20 2011 05:03 GMT
#21970
omg I'm sooo excited for Wu kong!!! I watched every episode on the show several times as a kid and even read the books. Anyone else in the same boat?
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
July 20 2011 05:08 GMT
#21971
On July 20 2011 13:58 Phrost wrote:
Wukong looks pretty beast, I dislike that his ultimate is basically DEMACIAAA but with a big movespeed bonus

If you watch closely his R is actually knocking up minions.
Demacia + 5 sec+ spin/knockup?
OP.

He looks like fun theoretically but I'm pretty disappointed with the lack of originality...
ESPECIALLY since his Q is exactly the same as so many other Qs.
twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
r33k
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Italy3402 Posts
July 20 2011 05:27 GMT
#21972
On July 20 2011 14:02 gtrsrs wrote:
I think there's a bit much theorycrafting going on in here
Red change could go in several ways
A. They want jungle to be less smite dependent. Now you take flash exhaust on yi. Problem, vlad?
B. The red buff really does hurt ganks. Now instead lanes can afford to be more aggressive and jungle becomes it's own lane where you fight enemy jungler etc
C. Jungle opens up to support chars. Now you can put nasus here so he'll get tons of farm and have item advantage lategame without falling off the map for lack of ganks or being zoned in jungle.

Mb argue less and speculate more

Nasus is getting remade, so is veigar. Other than that duh.

Wukong's Q isn't a problem in my eyes tbh. In LoL melee carries need an ability that resets their autoattack timer. His DEMACIAAAAAAA is as unoriginal as it gets tho.
Especially since no abilities use his staff, which is one of the fundamental elements of the character's background, he needed something cool. The chinese preview showed him extending it like Goku, sending it underground and making it pop up at another spot and stuff like that.
BloodNinja
Profile Joined June 2010
United States2791 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-20 05:33:40
July 20 2011 05:32 GMT
#21973
Who was huge nerd in the red/white stripped shirt? That may be the most professional person Riot has put forward yet.
Craton
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States17281 Posts
July 20 2011 06:01 GMT
#21974
On July 20 2011 13:59 locodoco wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 20 2011 13:46 Seiuchi wrote:
On July 20 2011 13:37 Irave wrote:
Have no fear!

"This post is mainly to clear up rumors. CLG is definitely going to be attending IEM. Although we will be without our main player, Chauster... due to his professor unwilling to reschedule his finals on August 18th (1month in advance request still no work 8-<). We do have decent backup choices in mind, and we will surely be doing some hardcore training with many top teams.

CLG will be @ IEM to get some revenge and represent North America!"


I hope they stuff Pobelter in a bag and drag him to Germany with them. That or #1 Locodoco.

not to get any1's(mostly me lol) hopes up,but im one of the backup choices they have in mind :3
brb practicing ad carrys~

inc clg running urgot
twitch.tv/cratonz
.AK
Profile Joined September 2010
United States561 Posts
July 20 2011 06:08 GMT
#21975
Anybody else think of Blademaster from WC3 when they saw Wukong?
Q = Crit
W = Windwalk/Illusion
E = Windwalk, meh its a stretch but hey
R = Whirlwind
I am totally looking forward to play him :3
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Craton
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States17281 Posts
July 20 2011 06:10 GMT
#21976
I'm just hoping he isn't stupid overpowered or supremely obnoxious.
twitch.tv/cratonz
Celestial
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States652 Posts
July 20 2011 06:31 GMT
#21977
Monkey King's harass seems extremely powerful, you just jump on them, Q and jump out with little damage thrown back and maybe even having their CC wasted on your decoy. It could kinda turn out like Jax but even better because of the reliable escape tool.
Craton
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States17281 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-20 06:36:21
July 20 2011 06:36 GMT
#21978
On July 20 2011 14:02 gtrsrs wrote:
I think there's a bit much theorycrafting going on in here
Red change could go in several ways
A. They want jungle to be less smite dependent. Now you take flash exhaust on yi. Problem, vlad?
B. The red buff really does hurt ganks. Now instead lanes can afford to be more aggressive and jungle becomes it's own lane where you fight enemy jungler etc
C. Jungle opens up to support chars. Now you can put nasus here so he'll get tons of farm and have item advantage lategame without falling off the map for lack of ganks or being zoned in jungle.

Mb argue less and speculate more

I don't see how you ever make the jungler not take smite beyond making it useless. Even if you don't need it for jungling speed, its main purpose has always been securing objectives, e.g. baron/dragon/buffs.
twitch.tv/cratonz
broz0rs
Profile Joined July 2008
United States2294 Posts
July 20 2011 06:37 GMT
#21979
there goes that great ape transformation ult I was dreaming about

ugh, but Garen spin as his ult? wth are RIOT designers thinking?
Shiragaku
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Hong Kong4308 Posts
July 20 2011 06:38 GMT
#21980
Been watching Catch the Teemo. ^__^ Such a cute game.
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