General Discussion/Off-topic - Page 1084

On July 19 2011 02:29 Mogwai wrote:
and I'm just saying that I still can't figure out why they were scrambling to switch in bracket when they were so successful in pools.

On July 19 2011 01:35 Southlight wrote:
The US style used to be tank top some type of carry mid and then some random shit at bottom that usually sit there in lane like an immobile rock and destroys the opponent's bottom, or exerts map control via roaming power to control jungle + bottom river + dragon.

The ability to deflect aggression using support + ad trumped that by creating a "threat" at bot - the freefarming AD carry - that needed to be dealt with. During DH US teams 1) couldn't come up with a method of dealing with it (think Savior vs Bisu) and 2) weren't comfortable with the duo lanes that could anyways and so they 3) tried to counter it by mimicking, which resulted in uncomfortable heroes anyways (lack of dedicated support players got exposed).

Edit:
For some more snowball effect, the inability to really deal with the bottom lane playstyle for US then felt like it resulted in some haywire mid/solo top picks, which got further muddled when EU players switched around heroes like they were pulling out random stuff from a bag of candy. US players whom were comfortable with certain heroes/matchups were left more-or-less hanging as the team would scramble to put "someone" as support bot and "someone" as carry... at bot (not solo), resulting in the need for two carries that can deal with strong AP heroes against players whom made their living soloing strong APs, and when US players tried to counterpick an AP hero the EU player would simply switch to another one. Constant mismatches. And you could tell most of the US teams seemed "behind" on picks, as they'd routinely pick bottom lane combos that don't make much sense, or solo picks that weren't very good matchups. Not surprisingly the US teams in general seemed like they had better success simply playing "their hero", but then would get stompled by a free-farm bot lane that they couldn't deal with.

On July 19 2011 02:30 DrKlingmann wrote:

I intend to stay north-east. At least for some time. I don't want to blow my free server-swap before everything stabilizes.
Well.. if there would be sth serious going on on west that could use me then I might reconsider.
But for now I have very sparse timeframes to play LoL. I'd love to play 5s to create some fnatic smashing team of nonames. But I'd have to be much more flexible with my schedule.
Let me smash some russians :D and my nemesis 'Alex Ich' who was raping me every time I played vs him when he was jungling Ez.

Well.. at least that free server-swap will be available. And then I'll make some smurf to troll west server n00bZ.

On July 19 2011 02:30 DrKlingmann wrote:

I intend to stay north-east. At least for some time. I don't want to blow my free server-swap before everything stabilizes.
Well.. if there would be sth serious going on on west that could use me then I might reconsider.
But for now I have very sparse timeframes to play LoL. I'd love to play 5s to create some fnatic smashing team of nonames. But I'd have to be much more flexible with my schedule.
Let me smash some russians :D and my nemesis 'Alex Ich' who was raping me every time I played vs him when he was jungling Ez.

Well.. at least that free server-swap will be available. And then I'll make some smurf to troll west server n00bZ.

On July 19 2011 03:04 Two_DoWn wrote:
So I'm thinking about putting together a series of videos on how to win games LoL, escape from the state of mind called elo hell, and just generally make the playerbase of LoL not suck nearly as much. Would anybody be interested in this?

Stuff covered would be things like debunking all of the myths at champ select (ie, we need ranged ad, we need a tank, we need ap, ect), late game objectives and positioning, how to jungle properly, how to troll properly (just for funsies), how to build a character properly, how to teamfight, ect.

who do you prefer on jungle duty, saintvicious or kobe, and why? what are teh differences in their playstyles?
i prefer kobe when he is not rusty because he actually plays amumu and does ganks well. also he doesnt try to lead the team and assume he is 100% right all the time when 3 other people are telling him otherwise

On July 19 2011 02:50 Seuss wrote:
One of the best US defenses against this at Dreamhack was Epik vs Fnatic. With two gap closing assassins (Akali + Lee Sin) a tank capable of CCing the enemy team (Amumu), a tough to catch AP carry (Vlad) and a support who didn't really have to be exposed to be effective (Soraka) it was hard for Fnatic to protect MF even with all the CC from Alistar, Jarvan, Swain and Taric.

For example, check out the teamfight 48 minutes into this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L_62bFqz-v0&feature=player_detailpage#t=2877s

Both Akali and Lee Sin jump onto MF at the same time Amumu CC's the rest of Fnatic, and she's dead by the time Alistar and Taric reach her. All that free farm doesn't matter if you explode instantly.

Obviously banning Akali against Westrice greatly reduces the effectiveness of the strategy, but you can still glean a glimmer of something useful against the EU meta from that game.

On July 19 2011 03:04 Two_DoWn wrote:
So I'm thinking about putting together a series of videos on how to win games LoL, escape from the state of mind called elo hell, and just generally make the playerbase of LoL not suck nearly as much. Would anybody be interested in this?

Stuff covered would be things like debunking all of the myths at champ select (ie, we need ranged ad, we need a tank, we need ap, ect), late game objectives and positioning, how to jungle properly, how to troll properly (just for funsies), how to build a character properly, how to teamfight, ect.

On July 19 2011 03:26 arnath wrote:
On the topic of CLG, I honestly think they should get rid of saintvicious. I get the feeling that he's messing with the team's chemistry. For example, if you watch saint's stream you'll hear him trash Hotshot in passing every once in a while. Plus there are posts like this (from Chauster's "ask me questions" thread on the CLG forums:

On July 19 2011 04:31 Shikyo wrote:

Ranged AD is actually almost crucial for pushing towers when you don't have good splitpushers... nothing else can poke at them efficiently enough, and you'll almost certainly run into that trouble if you only have tanky melee champions.

But yeah I'd be interested if I didn't suck =D Maybe I still could.

On July 19 2011 02:53 mercurial wrote:


Alex ich isn't worth being called a nemesis by anyone, hes trolling every game now.
Such a shame, he used to be a cool bro.

On July 19 2011 04:38 Two_DoWn wrote:

You kind of get it, but yeah, your on the right track. Most people assume ranged ad is for teamfights, when in reality it is for pushing down towers. However, ranged ad is not actually necessary for that either. A comp centered around anivia or morgana, or even a galio, who can clear a creep wave approaching from a tower very quickly, enough to let you get some shots on tower is enough to do the job. Ive had people complain about not having ranged ad when we had a kog'maw on our team.

The other option is to flat out ignore poking towers, build super tanky and just aim to take towers down by 5 manning them faster than the other team can poke you down. Both are valid strategies. Ranged ad is usually safer, but the other 2 ways work just as well.

On July 19 2011 04:31 Shikyo wrote:

Ranged AD is actually almost crucial for pushing towers when you don't have good splitpushers... nothing else can poke at them efficiently enough, and you'll almost certainly run into that trouble if you only have tanky melee champions.