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On July 17 2011 10:11 r33k wrote:Show nested quote +On July 17 2011 09:58 Vei wrote:
Anyone here, particularly those who never got into DotA, play HoN at all? I was just curious as to how you like it -- I really disliked DotA, and HoN seems to be VERY like DotA but a lot of people say its good.. that said, I really love LoL's art style, customization in terms of runes/masteries/summoners to alter the way a champion can be played, and afaik HoN doesn't have any of that. Either way I don't think there are free trials any more so I'll probably never buy the game, but yeah, I am curious. HoN is made to be a DotA clone and its developers have no talent or skill for game design. The game has been dumbed down a little from the convoluted mechanics and gimmicks that their programmers couldn't replicate but essentially the game was only made to be a DotA wannabe. The community has no respect for itself or for anything that didn't come from DotA. The item system has been dumbed down and stripped of orb walking, one of its fundamental mechanics and the game itself has never been balanced. While this is the kind of mentality that is somewhat shared by the LoL balancing team, there are never more than 22 viable champions in the game, which given the 5 bans per team of competitive play only leaves 12 viable champions to pick in games. That said, HoN feels much easier compared to LoL if you played BW especially before the macro era. It's a single player game and not a team game, VOIP is only there to insult eachother as a homage to the Call of Duty series.
You do know that orb walking is just glorified animation cancelling which HoN has plenty of on heroes like Arachna and Vindicator right? Though most of your other points are rather correct.
Anyway, HoN's engine allows it to be more "thorough" than the WC3 engine, so that you can stack orbs and toggle them instead of having one orb always overwrite another orb. The responsiveness of HoN is a lot quicker in comparison to DotA, and in general, it's faster than LoL [in terms of pure speed, not talking about gameplay flow, though I suppose some could argue it's also faster paced than LoL as well on some occasions].
The direction S2 has taken with HoN with new/changed heroes, new/changed items, and the map changes really puts it in a different "game" from DotA, similar to how Riot has done to distinguish itself from DotA. The problem though is that HoN carries a lot of remnants of DotA which in turns makes HoN seem like a "DotA-lite" or unbalanced version of DotA. The metagame is always behind in comparison to DotA which has turned it to a very stale game at the moment, but S2 can't implement certain items or heroes from DotA to change it.
Overall: for pub games and such, if you can get a free trial or have a friend that'd be willing to let you use his or her account, then I don't see why not to play it if you haven't played DotA or liked DotA.
The game is enjoyable in its own right, I wouldn't say it's any more or less enjoyable compared to LoL, just different.
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Ooooh, Tyler streaming himself playing Vayne.
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On July 17 2011 11:57 LoLAdriankat wrote:
Ooooh, Tyler streaming himself playing Vayne.
woa woa hes allowed to have a featured LoL stream?
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On July 17 2011 12:02 Phrost wrote:Show nested quote +On July 17 2011 11:57 LoLAdriankat wrote:
Ooooh, Tyler streaming himself playing Vayne. woa woa hes allowed to have a featured LoL stream?
yeah i was kinda wondering that myself, i also saw a few LoL streams as non-featured as well, which i thot we were kinda no-no'd a ways back. i dont mind, but just kinda curious if theres a new status for TL lol streams
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Did anyone catch the early game of Dyrus jungling Leona? He didn't seem too terribly far behind.
His runes are armor pens, armor, half magic resist, half magic resist/lvl and hp
1/21/8
Wriggles, hog, zerk greeve, triforce
I just need his jungle route.
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On July 17 2011 12:02 Phrost wrote:Show nested quote +On July 17 2011 11:57 LoLAdriankat wrote:
Ooooh, Tyler streaming himself playing Vayne. woa woa hes allowed to have a featured LoL stream?
You can change the game whenever; he was featured for being Tyler, happens to be playing LoL, that's all.
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On July 17 2011 12:02 Phrost wrote:Show nested quote +On July 17 2011 11:57 LoLAdriankat wrote:
Ooooh, Tyler streaming himself playing Vayne. woa woa hes allowed to have a featured LoL stream?
probably because he is in Liquid`, after all Hot_Bid is featured for playing portal
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On July 17 2011 08:37 kepael wrote:This is kind've out there, but would you be the same UniversalSnip from the Wizards Magic Forums?
yep
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On July 17 2011 12:11 UniversalSnip wrote:Show nested quote +On July 17 2011 08:37 kepael wrote:On July 17 2011 08:17 UniversalSnip wrote:
floorball lol This is kind've out there, but would you be the same UniversalSnip from the Wizards Magic Forums? yep
Fancy that. I was PipOC way back when. I can't blame you if you don't remember me.
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On July 17 2011 10:11 r33k wrote:
CLG mentions that they could ask TSM to be given a forfeit because the on-the-fly 30 seconds picking rule screwed their picks.
Speaking of which, why would admins go full-retard and try to implement that in the middle of a tournament. It would've been fine at 90 or 120 seconds, but not 30 in a tournament setting. Regardless, you never arbitrarily change rules in the middle of a tournament. It shouldn't even need to be said because it's so obvious. It's hugely bad form to do so, especially without giving notice well ahead of time.
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On July 17 2011 12:06 barbsq wrote:Show nested quote +On July 17 2011 12:02 Phrost wrote:On July 17 2011 11:57 LoLAdriankat wrote:
Ooooh, Tyler streaming himself playing Vayne. woa woa hes allowed to have a featured LoL stream? yeah i was kinda wondering that myself, i also saw a few LoL streams as non-featured as well, which i thot we were kinda no-no'd a ways back. i dont mind, but just kinda curious if theres a new status for TL lol streams
Starting a new age of Team Liquid as a real LoL team imo imo
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On July 17 2011 12:29 Craton wrote:Show nested quote +On July 17 2011 10:11 r33k wrote:
CLG mentions that they could ask TSM to be given a forfeit because the on-the-fly 30 seconds picking rule screwed their picks. Speaking of which, why would admins go full-retard and try to implement that in the middle of a tournament. It would've been fine at 90 or 120 seconds, but not 30 in a tournament setting. Regardless, you never arbitrarily change rules in the middle of a tournament. It shouldn't even need to be said because it's so obvious. It's hugely bad form to do so, especially without giving notice well ahead of time.
Because ESL ;o
The admins don't play or even know what LoL is. 60 to 90 seconds would have been fair, 30 is retarded. They were trying to get as many matches in a day as possible, Colbycheeze was trying to save his EU viewers by saying that he would have had the VODs on his channel but in general they should have calculated beforehand what games were going to be played and when.
EDIT: THERES GIRLS IN RAINMAN'S ROOM WTF
EDIT2: ONE OF THEM MIGHT NOT BE HIS MOM
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On July 17 2011 12:07 GranDim wrote:
Did anyone catch the early game of Dyrus jungling Leona? He didn't seem too terribly far behind.
His runes are armor pens, armor, half magic resist, half magic resist/lvl and hp
1/21/8
Wriggles, hog, zerk greeve, triforce
I just need his jungle route.
100% he went blue -> full clear, he got loads of help at blue though. They nuked it nicely.
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If your stream is featured, then irregardless of what game you're streaming, you'll still be featured.
It's why Hot_Bid's Portal stream is featured under Misc as well.
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On July 17 2011 11:57 LoLAdriankat wrote:
Ooooh, Tyler streaming himself playing Vayne.
Quality is kinda meh though :/
Why is it so much lower than when he streams SC2?
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Change quality to 720p. Looks much better to me.
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So is just me, or is RIOT making more and more completely broken champions in some ways? Think about it for one second and you might get my point.
Jarvan: Has a gap-closer, is extremely strong both in jungle and lane and is very viable with the current meta.
Vayne: While not as strong as she was pre-nerf she is still very viable as a ranged carry, being able to stealth and hunt people down,. stunning them into a wall.
Nocturne: Paranoia, nuff said
Rumble: I'm not so sure about this, cause he got hit by the nerf-bat abit. But still very viable and extremely strong.
Orianna: Not played much, but if you come to think about it, she has amazing poking abilities.
Lee sin: A fucking beast in the jungle, he can have 4k HP and still do a fuckloads of damage being nearly unkillable.
Yorick: He's OP now, and the way he's designed, i doubt there will ever be a balance.
Sure there's a ton of other viable champions out there, but i feel like they're overdoing the champions, because they still have to remain unique and fun to play, while not being totally OP. But bringing in more and more weird stuff, makes it completely broken especially with the current meta.
Am i just wrong here?
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Gotta make money, yo. Main problem is champs having too much utility imo.
Nocturne vs Yi
Jarv/Irelia/Lee vs Renek/Jax/Nasus
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On July 17 2011 14:04 r.Evo wrote:
Nocturne vs Yi
Jarv/Irelia/Lee vs Renek/Jax/Nasus
To be fair, Yi, Jax, and Nasus probably wouldn't be played even if those champs didn't exist. Renek also fell in the category of "new tanky champs with too much utility and damage" until he got slapped around by the nerfbat.
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Looking at renek patch notes
he didn't get nerfed too hard. His sustainability from q got nerfed but overall he actually got a damage buff with better ad scaling. que?
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V1.0.0.120:
Cull the Meek Cull the Meek: heal is no longer reduced if the damage dealt is absorbed by shields.
Fixed a bug where damage absorbed by a shield wouldn't mark Renekton as in combat for the purposes of Fury generation.
V1.0.0.115:
Cull the Meek Cull the Meek:
Heal reduced to 5% from 7.5%.
Furious heal reduced to 10% from 15%.
Slice and Dice Slice and Dice:
Base damage reduced to 30/60/90/120/150 from 45/75/105/135/165.
Attack damage scaling increased to 90% from 60%.
Cooldown adjusted to 18/17/16/15/14 from 20/18/16/14/12.
Dominus Dominus: base damage reduced to 40/70/100 from 50/75/100.
V1.0.0.111:
Fixed a bug where Slice and Dice Slice and Dice would remember your order after casting, causing him to move toward previous locations.
V1.0.0.110:
Stats:
Base health increased to 513 from 508.
Health per level increased to 87 from 82.
Base armor increased to 19 from 17.2.
Armor per level increased to 3.8 from 3.2.
Cull the Meek Cull the Meek:
Base damage increased to 60/90/120/150/180 from 40/70/100/130/160.
Attack damage scaling increased to 80% from 60%.
Basic heal reduced to 7.5% from 10%.
Heal bonus when damaging Champions increased to 300% from 200%.
Cooldown reduced to 8 seconds from 12/11/10/9/8.
Ruthless Predator Ruthless Predator: cooldown reduced to 13/12/11/10/9 from 14/13/12/11/10.
Slice and Dice Slice and Dice: armor reduction when furious changed to 15/17.5/20/22.5/25% from a flat 10/15/20/25/30.
Fixed a bug where Renekton was gaining bonus attack damage while wounded.
V1.0.0.109: Added.
Renekton uses a new resource system called Fury. Renekton gains Fury by attacking or dealing damage with spells. When he has gathered enough Fury, the resource will be expended to empower his skills with bonus effects.
Cull the Meek Cull the Meek: Renekton swing his blade, dealing damage to nearby enemies and healing for a portion of the life dealt.
Fury Bonus: Heal amount raised dramatically.
Ruthless Predator Ruthless Predator: Renekton's next attack swings twice, dealing a portion of his weapon damage, stunning his target briefly and applying on-hits each time.
Fury Bonus: Renekton's next attack swings three times, dealing a huge portion of his weapon damage, stunning his target greatly and applying on-hits each time.
Slice and Dice Slice and Dice: Renekton dashes forward, dealing physical damage to targets along the way. If he hits a target, he can use Dice for a brief period of time for the same effect.
Fury Bonus: Renekton deals 50% increased damage and reduces the armor of units hit.
Dominus Dominus (Ultimate): Renekton empowers himself with dark energy, gaining size and bonus health. He deals periodic damage to enemies around him and rapidly gains Fury.
Reign of Anger Reign of Anger (Passive): Renekton gains 5 Fury per autoattack. Having sufficient fury empowers Renekton’s abilities with bonus effects, but this drains Fury. Out of combat, Renekton loses 5 Fury per second.
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