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[HotS] Top 5 GOAT 2017

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[HotS] Top 5 GOAT 2017

Text byEsportsJohn
Graphics byShiroiusagi
April 10th, 2017 16:56 GMT




We’re coming to the end of an era with the introduction of Heroes 2.0, and it only seems fitting to take a look back at the history of the game and recognize the names that have made Heroes of the Storm esports the thrilling experience that it has become. The team game aspect of Heroes of the Storm makes it impossible to accurately pinpoint the skill level of individual players, so this list focuses on the greatest teams.

The criteria for this list is:
  1. Overall achievements
  2. Impact on the metagame and playstyle
  3. Consistency over time


Let's celebrate the best of the best, the Greatest of All Time!



#5

Team Liquid


Team Liquid has been invested in the HotS scene since the very beginning, all the way back to the Technical Alpha. Initially, they ran a North American team which had less-than-noteworthy results, and in 2015 they moved eastward to Europe.

It was the summer of 2015 that put Team Liquid on the map. The organization acquired El Nexo, a Spanish team spearheaded by Durán brothers LucifroN and VortiX, in early spring. The new team completely and utterly dominated the region over the next six months, racking up enough gold medals to cover the wall.

Liquid was well-known for their creativity and mastery of macro strategies that included Abathur or The Lost Vikings. Individually, each player had several signature heroes which allowed them to outplay almost anyone in small skirmishes and made target bans ineffectual. Though they started to lose steam in October/November during the rise of the double warrior meta, they will always be remembered for their back-to-back DreamHack victories during the summer.

Their latest incarnation with the former Misfits squad shows promise, and with an undefeated record so far in HGC, it’s quite possible Liquid might find themselves back on top again.

#4

Cloud9


Simply put, Cloud9 did the impossible when they won BlizzCon 2015. They defeated the Europeans, they defeated the Koreans, and they took a world championship title. After struggling for so long against Tempo Storm in North America, they finally overtook their rivals and surpassed them in leaps and bounds. To this day, no North American team has ever been able to achieve the same results as Cloud9 between August 2015 to March 2016.

What makes Cloud9’s gameplay special is the way that they achieved their success. At a time when the metagame revolved heavily around beefy double-tank frontlines and big teamfights, Cloud9 opted for clever strategies to abuse the constant deathballing of other top teams. Without a doubt, their opus magnum was the “undying composition” against Team DK at BlizzCon, in which they ran a Murky/Leoric strategy to distract the Koreans while Abathur slowly finished off keep after keep.

#3

Team Dignitas


Dignitas doesn’t have a Cinderella story. They didn’t go on an unnaturally long winning streak or go out in a blaze of glory winning a huge title. They’ve just simply been strong and consistent, even in the face of numerous setbacks.

Formed in late 2015 as Team Bob?, Bakery and pals got really good really fast. The team excelled at the double warrior, teamfighting metagame that was in vogue at the time, and they quickly became one of the best in Europe. In 2016, they showed magnificent progress and secured their spot among the top three.

Their one downfall has been a revolving door of tank/flex players every three to four months. Wubby, AlexTheProG, and Atheroangel (twice) have all passed through Dignitas and slowed their progress. Nonetheless, what separates a winning team from a losing team is the ability to recollect, reset, and win anyway—and that’s just what Dignitas did.

Despite mediocre performances on the global stage against Koreans, Dignitas has always managed to rise to the top regionally and secure championships even a month or two after adding new players. In 2016, they won more gold medals than any team in any region, and their latest win at the Western Clash once again has them poised for great things in 2017.

#2

L5


Remember Team No Limit? They’re back! Originally a collection of rejects from other teams, L5 came together under the leadership of Noblesse and sCsC and quickly became the premier team in Korea. The MVP Black/Tempest rivalry was still fresh in everyone’s mind, so most people weren’t paying attention to L5, but they snuck up out of nowhere and took Super League Season 3 from MVP Black in fairly convincing fashion.

That wasn’t the end. They went on to win the Fall Global Championship at BlizzCon and then the Gold Club World Championship less than a month later. In the span of three months, they went from being a noname to a team with the cleanest mechanical and decision making skills in the world. They are the only team to have won three premier international tournaments in row.

While MVP Black barely eclipsed them during the Eastern Clash, there’s still plenty of fight left in the Lost 5 as they continue to search for a sponsor and fight for another title in the HGC.

#1 GOAT

MVP Black


Without a doubt, MVP Black deserves the top spot. They’ve been through multiple incarnations, but their play has remained overall steady and consistent. Their dominance both regionally and internationally spans two and half years and encompasses multiple trips to China, Europe, and the United States and over $750 thousand in prize money.

MVP Black’s history can be broken up into three segments: the Lockdown era, the Rich era, and the post-Rich era. The Lockdown era between early 2015 through the end of the year was characterized by several regional wins with only one notable loss to Team DK during Super League 2015. At the time, they were considered the best team in the world, but their absence from BlizzCon set them back in terms of tournament results.

In 2016, Rich joined MVP Black after Lockdown left to start Tempest with his brother, and MVP Black become by far the most dominant team of all time during the spring season. Rich’s spectacular mechanical play combined with a more aggressive, more coordinated playstyle resulted in an insane 41-map win streak over the course of three high profile tournaments. Compared to the rest of the world, Black was miles ahead in every respect, and it’s unlikely that any team will ever be so dominant for such a long period of time.

As the year wound down, MVP Black began to show some cracks after losing to Tempest in an embarrassing 4-0 sweep in the Super League finals and then to L5 the next season. While Black was still at the top, they just couldn’t close a tournament anymore, and it didn’t help that Rich was continually stuck on relatively low impact heroes like Chen, Leoric, and Medivh. Black ended the year with a row of silvers and bronzes—for them, a shameful display.

Exit Rich, enter roster shuffles. Just before the HGC started in 2017, Black lost its two star players, Rich and Sign, and Ttsst and Reset were promoted from Miracle. Without Rich, many viewers wondered if Black could have the same impact, but the team has adapted accordingly. Instead of the brute force, hard engage playstyle they popularized during the Rich era, they rely on smart, patient macro play reminiscent of the Lockdown era. They place a huge emphasis on global pressure and split pushing while patiently absorbing overaggression from Korean teams still used to the Rich-esque style of gameplay.

Their recent victory at the Eastern Clash finally settled all doubts about their form. MVP Black is back and ready to rock. Will this year be better than last? Unlikely. But Black will probably still continue to top the charts with outstanding plays, brilliant macro, and genius strategies like they always have.




Writer(s): EsportsJohn
Editor(s): PROlane
Design: shiroiusagi
Art Credit: Blizzard

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StrategyAllyssa Grey <3<3
EsportsJohn
Profile Blog Joined June 2012
United States4883 Posts
April 10 2017 17:04 GMT
#2
I swear to god that Greymane concept in the banner looks just like Warwick from League of Legends....
StrategyAllyssa Grey <3<3
karazax
Profile Joined May 2010
United States3737 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-04-10 18:16:12
April 10 2017 18:15 GMT
#3
Tempest won Dreamhack All Stars 2016 over Dig, mYinsanity, & MVP_Black. Seems like they deserve a spot on the list.
EsportsJohn
Profile Blog Joined June 2012
United States4883 Posts
April 10 2017 20:19 GMT
#4
On April 11 2017 03:15 karazax wrote:
Tempest won Dreamhack All Stars 2016 over Dig, mYinsanity, & MVP_Black. Seems like they deserve a spot on the list.


In terms of overall achievements, that's definitely a notable one. Still, their impact on the metagame was minimal (they did everything MVP Black did but better, and at best, they popularized certain talent picks like Heavy Impact and SSS), and they haven't been very consistent outside of the Summer season.

I think Tempo Storm, Tempest, Misfits (now TL), Fnatic, and eStar all deserve honorable mentions. Actually, now that I think about it, you could really make a case for eStar as #4 or #5.
StrategyAllyssa Grey <3<3
MaVNiS
Profile Joined August 2014
5 Posts
April 10 2017 23:08 GMT
#5
Tempo definitely deserves way more then Honorable mention. There is no way Liquid (I know its your org) should be on this list over any of them.
EsportsJohn
Profile Blog Joined June 2012
United States4883 Posts
April 11 2017 02:16 GMT
#6
On April 11 2017 08:08 MaVNiS wrote:
Tempo definitely deserves way more then Honorable mention. There is no way Liquid (I know its your org) should be on this list over any of them.


1) We're a separate entity from TL Pro, so it's not organizational bias.
2) Why do you think that Tempo deserves more credit in relation to the criteria?
StrategyAllyssa Grey <3<3
MaVNiS
Profile Joined August 2014
5 Posts
April 11 2017 05:42 GMT
#7
Tempo Storm was the most dominant force in HOTS for a very long time. C9 only surpassed them by "leaps and bounds" because Blizzard roster locked them for 6 months while they were having internal issues. Even with this they won all 3 qualifiers that year. Now they are 2x NA champs and current first seed. I dont see how Liquid has racked up more accomplishments as a org or team then Tempo has in HOTS. Not even by a long shot. Tempo was the first org to have a house as well. I just do not see how they only get a honorable mention. They should be 3rd at the least if your counting all they have done past and present. They even signed Tempest as well who you say is a honorable mention. Just does not make sense to me.

And for everyone out there I am not a Tempo fan boy. I Co-own and run a org that competes with them in every game they are in almost. But as a HOTS fan boy I will say that have some of the most accomplishments still to this day.
Valiver
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Caldeum1977 Posts
April 11 2017 05:59 GMT
#8
I didn't have any input in writing this, but I would also have put TL higher than TS when part of the criteria was listed as "Impact on the metagame and playstyle." Back when they were at their peaks, TS played a super boring standard comp pretty much every time. It was effective for them no question, but had no impact on the meta. Meanwhile TL always had crazy drafts including TLV and Aba as backbones. They popularized several heroes that had never seen play and definitely had an impact.
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MaVNiS
Profile Joined August 2014
5 Posts
April 11 2017 06:20 GMT
#9
That is not the only criteria. They definitely meet the other 2 over TL. When was the last time I saw the horse at a LAN? Thats like saying Tim Duncan is not the GOAT as a power forward because he was boring. He was still the goat!
Ej_
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
47656 Posts
April 11 2017 06:38 GMT
#10
it's about greatest teams, not about greatest sponsors

not to mention that current TL would wipe the floor with anybody NA anyway :')
"Technically the dictionary has zero authority on the meaning or words" - Rodya
EsportsJohn
Profile Blog Joined June 2012
United States4883 Posts
April 11 2017 12:24 GMT
#11
On April 11 2017 14:42 MaVNiS wrote:
Tempo Storm was the most dominant force in HOTS for a very long time. C9 only surpassed them by "leaps and bounds" because Blizzard roster locked them for 6 months while they were having internal issues. Even with this they won all 3 qualifiers that year. Now they are 2x NA champs and current first seed. I dont see how Liquid has racked up more accomplishments as a org or team then Tempo has in HOTS. Not even by a long shot. Tempo was the first org to have a house as well. I just do not see how they only get a honorable mention. They should be 3rd at the least if your counting all they have done past and present. They even signed Tempest as well who you say is a honorable mention. Just does not make sense to me.

And for everyone out there I am not a Tempo fan boy. I Co-own and run a org that competes with them in every game they are in almost. But as a HOTS fan boy I will say that have some of the most accomplishments still to this day.


You make a good point, but I'm not considering Symbiote Gaming and Murloc Geniuses the same team even though they've both been under the same banner. MVP Black, L5, Dignitas, and Cloud9 had fairly consistent rosters throughout their entire lifespan; only TL doesn't quite fit that mold, but the "team" in question here refers primarily to the El Nexo squad.

I thought a lot about Tempo Storm vs Cloud9, but in the end, I settled for Cloud9 because their achievement at BlizzCon was something that no other North American team had accomplished at that point, and they did so with brilliant and revolutionary gameplay. Tempo Storm was definitely a close contender, though. In North America (and presumably elsewhere in the world), we owe a lot of our standard knowledge of gameplay and timings to them.
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MaVNiS
Profile Joined August 2014
5 Posts
April 11 2017 14:12 GMT
#12
I guess this is my problem with esports then, or how some view it. In sports the franchise are called dynasties or amazing orgs to be with because of their history in the game. They dont say the Yankees are not the GOAT because they are not good now or they dont have the same roster. Rosters will always change. Thats like saying TSM is not the GOAT of NA LOL because regi and them are no longer on it when it transitioned.

My other problem with what you said is that when you talk about liquid and some of the other teams like MVP you break down their roster iterations and what they have done so seems like you sort of do put that stuff into account.

C9 struggled vs Tempo during all this even though 3 of their players could not work with one another to the point that they all stopped scriming and playing and talking to one another. 2 of the players would play wow while the other 3 scrim and C9 still had trouble getting over the hump. Just saying I was invited in the first wave of tech alpha, was lucky cause I worked for a org that was big into HS. TS Dominated. Everyone called them the best in the world for like 1.5 years.
I guess I just feel this should not even be a debate. But hey I love a good debate!
MaVNiS
Profile Joined August 2014
5 Posts
April 11 2017 14:13 GMT
#13
On April 11 2017 15:38 Ej_ wrote:
it's about greatest teams, not about greatest sponsors

not to mention that current TL would wipe the floor with anybody NA anyway :')



Tempo is not a sponsor. The are an organization. Not the same thing.
EsportsJohn
Profile Blog Joined June 2012
United States4883 Posts
April 11 2017 20:50 GMT
#14
On April 11 2017 23:12 MaVNiS wrote:
I guess this is my problem with esports then, or how some view it. In sports the franchise are called dynasties or amazing orgs to be with because of their history in the game. They dont say the Yankees are not the GOAT because they are not good now or they dont have the same roster. Rosters will always change. Thats like saying TSM is not the GOAT of NA LOL because regi and them are no longer on it when it transitioned.

My other problem with what you said is that when you talk about liquid and some of the other teams like MVP you break down their roster iterations and what they have done so seems like you sort of do put that stuff into account.

C9 struggled vs Tempo during all this even though 3 of their players could not work with one another to the point that they all stopped scriming and playing and talking to one another. 2 of the players would play wow while the other 3 scrim and C9 still had trouble getting over the hump. Just saying I was invited in the first wave of tech alpha, was lucky cause I worked for a org that was big into HS. TS Dominated. Everyone called them the best in the world for like 1.5 years.
I guess I just feel this should not even be a debate. But hey I love a good debate!


It's hard to recognize organizations as franchises (partially because they technically aren't) this early into esports, and especially in Heroes of the Storm. The only organizations with enough structure to be considered as such would probably be Kespa teams (SKT, KT Rolster, Samsung, etc.), and it's questionable if that even holds true in LoL, which is by far the most organized league. To me, the only teams that can really be considered "dynasties" would be the Kespa-era Brood War teams, but of course, that doesn't translate one to one because it was a 1v1 game rather than a team game.

Whether we like it or not, the history of esports is still very, very shallow. At best, we have an official history of approximately 15 years; in contrast, the NY Yankees were established over 100 years ago.
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karazax
Profile Joined May 2010
United States3737 Posts
April 12 2017 03:06 GMT
#15
Lists are always subjective, but Tempest won the summer world championship, and until there are more world champions that puts them on my top 5.
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States44329 Posts
April 12 2017 11:52 GMT
#16
Good list overall, but I agree with the others that there's just no way TL is in the top five here lol. Come on.
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