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Valiver
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Caldeum1977 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-11-28 23:06:00
November 28 2015 23:02 GMT
#421
Towers of Doom hype guys!

edit: Cho'gall now too lol.
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Ramiz1989
Profile Joined July 2012
12124 Posts
November 28 2015 23:38 GMT
#422
On November 29 2015 08:02 Valiver wrote:
Towers of Doom hype guys!

edit: Cho'gall now too lol.

"I've been to hell and back, and back to hell…and back. This time, I've brought Hell back with me."
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States44997 Posts
November 29 2015 00:13 GMT
#423
On November 29 2015 06:53 Ramiz1989 wrote:
http://www.twitch.tv/khaldor

Khaldor is casting Enter the Storm NA, and Bob Ross Fan Club(Zuna and Arthelon are on that team) just had really stupid victory over Murloc Geniuses.


Yeah seriously, Murlocs had an autowin and then just... lol.
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
Slydie
Profile Joined August 2013
1927 Posts
November 29 2015 18:30 GMT
#424
Where did compositions like Leoric/Arthas/Kael'thas/Raynor/Morales go? In my head, they still seem like the strongest, 2 bruisers/tanks with 2 strong damage dealers and a healer. Don't they work anymore, or is it just fashionable to go Tyrande/Tassadar/Falstad these days?
Buff the siegetank
Ej_
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
47656 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-11-29 20:12:23
November 29 2015 20:07 GMT
#425
Enter the Storm NA quali #6 is live
http://www.teamliquid.net/video/streams/Khaldor/popout

e: whoah yeah lol, that MAlfurion pick from Marlon Geniuses seems random
"Technically the dictionary has zero authority on the meaning or words" - Rodya
Ramiz1989
Profile Joined July 2012
12124 Posts
November 29 2015 20:17 GMT
#426
On November 30 2015 05:07 Ej_ wrote:
Enter the Storm NA quali #6 is live
http://www.teamliquid.net/video/streams/Khaldor/popout

e: whoah yeah lol, that MAlfurion pick from Marlon Geniuses seems random

Whenever I see MG I feel like they are trying to force some pick into their draft...
Even at Blizzcon qualifiers they were trying out Thrall and Rexxar and it didn't work at all. Not saying that it won't work now since Thrall is in much better place, but still their drafts really do seem random.
"I've been to hell and back, and back to hell…and back. This time, I've brought Hell back with me."
Ej_
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
47656 Posts
November 29 2015 20:20 GMT
#427
On November 30 2015 05:17 Ramiz1989 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 30 2015 05:07 Ej_ wrote:
Enter the Storm NA quali #6 is live
http://www.teamliquid.net/video/streams/Khaldor/popout

e: whoah yeah lol, that MAlfurion pick from Marlon Geniuses seems random

Whenever I see MG I feel like they are trying to force some pick into their draft...
Even at Blizzcon qualifiers they were trying out Thrall and Rexxar and it didn't work at all. Not saying that it won't work now since Thrall is in much better place, but still their drafts really do seem random.

I just don't get this at all. With Uther they would have a divine shield for ETC, Sonya and Thrall (and additional stun for even more lockdown). They take Malfurion instead and still conjurer's pursuit on Jaina. Maybe I'm just way too scrub to understand it.
"Technically the dictionary has zero authority on the meaning or words" - Rodya
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States44997 Posts
November 29 2015 23:51 GMT
#428
I don't know what it is about the Bob Ross team, but their opponents consistently do the stupidest shit like inappropriately baserace and throw away the game. Yesterday it was the Murloc Geniuses, and today it was Team Blaze. Such utterly dumb plays.
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
FeyFey
Profile Joined September 2010
Germany10114 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-11-29 23:56:10
November 29 2015 23:53 GMT
#429
well Malf would be okay ... but not if there is a Zagara who will just gobble his ult up. I think they wanted to deny the other team Malf, because Malf would have been insane for the enemy. But Uther would have been as insane on their side.

As for the conjurer on Jaina, seems like pros currently blindly go for one build, so they can train with a larger hero pool. One reason why Valla is almost extinct.
Ramiz1989
Profile Joined July 2012
12124 Posts
November 30 2015 00:15 GMT
#430
On November 30 2015 08:53 FeyFey wrote:
As for the conjurer on Jaina, seems like pros currently blindly go for one build, so they can train with a larger hero pool. One reason why Valla is almost extinct.

Uh where did you get this from? I've seen a lot of different Jaina's builds lately in the pro scene. From that Frostbolt spam, to the standard build and hybrid between frostbolt and standard. It is just that people are still people, they make errors and often make oversights.

Also, Valla is not extinct at all, it is just that Falstad is currently doing the same thing while also having massive disengage heroic that can save your whole team if used correctly at the right time.

I was really bored with the Dreamhack and hero pool that we saw being used there, but at least these NA qualifiers gave me some hope that patch still isn't figured out yet. We are waiting too long for some Korean tournament.
"I've been to hell and back, and back to hell…and back. This time, I've brought Hell back with me."
Foxxan
Profile Joined October 2004
Sweden3427 Posts
November 30 2015 02:39 GMT
#431
Ye the picks from dreamhack was really boring. We need more heroes to be standard.
xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
November 30 2015 03:07 GMT
#432
There definitely wasn't a lot of experimentation by the time that the semi-finals and finals rolled around. Most of the picks were fairly vanilla in that the same 10-15 heroes were constantly picked and banned.
FeyFey
Profile Joined September 2010
Germany10114 Posts
November 30 2015 18:08 GMT
#433
getting that impression especially from ult choices. Jaina is an exception since she is used almost constantly and while she has many builds some work rather similarly. But even on Jaina you don't see to much variety if you only watch one player.
Its not everyone, but its annoying to see it being so widespread lately.
Of course that is personal opinion I like playing the right talents, not the ones I feel good with. And those guys train together, so switching it up just because the enemy composition went other then planned, might ruin their coordination.
Wuster
Profile Joined May 2011
1974 Posts
November 30 2015 18:21 GMT
#434
On November 30 2015 12:07 xDaunt wrote:
There definitely wasn't a lot of experimentation by the time that the semi-finals and finals rolled around. Most of the picks were fairly vanilla in that the same 10-15 heroes were constantly picked and banned.


I didn't watch the entire thing but it certainly felt like the Falstad show towards the end. Also, it turned out Tyrael's reign was short lived, which isn't that surprising. Teams just had to retrain their instincts to back off after hard engaging rather than sticking it out until the bitter end. Which is something they've already shown they can do with mistimed Divine Palms (it's funny watching a palmed hero rushing headlong into the enemy team trying to get a proc).
Ramiz1989
Profile Joined July 2012
12124 Posts
November 30 2015 18:39 GMT
#435
On December 01 2015 03:21 Wuster wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 30 2015 12:07 xDaunt wrote:
There definitely wasn't a lot of experimentation by the time that the semi-finals and finals rolled around. Most of the picks were fairly vanilla in that the same 10-15 heroes were constantly picked and banned.


I didn't watch the entire thing but it certainly felt like the Falstad show towards the end. Also, it turned out Tyrael's reign was short lived, which isn't that surprising. Teams just had to retrain their instincts to back off after hard engaging rather than sticking it out until the bitter end. Which is something they've already shown they can do with mistimed Divine Palms (it's funny watching a palmed hero rushing headlong into the enemy team trying to get a proc).

Not just towards the end, I am pretty sure that Falstad was banned/picked in every match lol.
"I've been to hell and back, and back to hell…and back. This time, I've brought Hell back with me."
Wuster
Profile Joined May 2011
1974 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-11-30 18:46:24
November 30 2015 18:45 GMT
#436
You're probably right. I only watched 2 games or so during the group stages and recall seeing him then too.

Edit:
Actually here's an infographic, doesn't have Falstad anywhere!
http://www.g2esports.com/dreamhack-all-stars-winter-infographic/

I did see another one that had Tyrael as bottom-3 win-rate too.
karazax
Profile Joined May 2010
United States3737 Posts
November 30 2015 19:33 GMT
#437
The infographic has Falstad picked 28 times and banned 3, only surpassed by KT with 34 picks and 2 bans, and ETC with 28 picks and 8 bans.
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Ramiz1989
Profile Joined July 2012
12124 Posts
December 01 2015 00:53 GMT
#438
On December 01 2015 03:45 Wuster wrote:
You're probably right. I only watched 2 games or so during the group stages and recall seeing him then too.

Edit:
Actually here's an infographic, doesn't have Falstad anywhere!
http://www.g2esports.com/dreamhack-all-stars-winter-infographic/

I did see another one that had Tyrael as bottom-3 win-rate too.

Yeah lol, he has been top 3 pick, almost in 100% of the games in one way or another. :D
"I've been to hell and back, and back to hell…and back. This time, I've brought Hell back with me."
Perseverance
Profile Joined February 2010
Japan2800 Posts
December 01 2015 06:03 GMT
#439
On November 30 2015 09:15 Ramiz1989 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 30 2015 08:53 FeyFey wrote:
As for the conjurer on Jaina, seems like pros currently blindly go for one build, so they can train with a larger hero pool. One reason why Valla is almost extinct.

Uh where did you get this from? I've seen a lot of different Jaina's builds lately in the pro scene. From that Frostbolt spam, to the standard build and hybrid between frostbolt and standard. It is just that people are still people, they make errors and often make oversights.

Also, Valla is not extinct at all, it is just that Falstad is currently doing the same thing while also having massive disengage heroic that can save your whole team if used correctly at the right time.

I was really bored with the Dreamhack and hero pool that we saw being used there, but at least these NA qualifiers gave me some hope that patch still isn't figured out yet. We are waiting too long for some Korean tournament.



Why do you feel we need a korean tournament?
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EsportsJohn
Profile Blog Joined June 2012
United States4883 Posts
December 01 2015 08:32 GMT
#440
On December 01 2015 15:03 Perseverance wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 30 2015 09:15 Ramiz1989 wrote:
On November 30 2015 08:53 FeyFey wrote:
As for the conjurer on Jaina, seems like pros currently blindly go for one build, so they can train with a larger hero pool. One reason why Valla is almost extinct.

Uh where did you get this from? I've seen a lot of different Jaina's builds lately in the pro scene. From that Frostbolt spam, to the standard build and hybrid between frostbolt and standard. It is just that people are still people, they make errors and often make oversights.

Also, Valla is not extinct at all, it is just that Falstad is currently doing the same thing while also having massive disengage heroic that can save your whole team if used correctly at the right time.

I was really bored with the Dreamhack and hero pool that we saw being used there, but at least these NA qualifiers gave me some hope that patch still isn't figured out yet. We are waiting too long for some Korean tournament.



Why do you feel we need a korean tournament?


Koreans are well known for experimenting and doing more interesting Hero combinations. For instance, Koreans were doing ETC and Santification Tyreal long before it caught on in NA/EU. NA and EU tend to get stale after the meta settles and stick to fairly limited Hero pools and strategies.

Also, I just think the Koreans play very aggressively, and that makes them very interesting to watch.
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