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So, the QQ:
People draft the dumbest ways sometimes, but then sometimes it works. Just played a HL game on dragonshire with a murky/azmo/falstad/johanna/brightwing for our side. Both murky and brightwing went bribe. THEN murky went march of the murlocs.
...and the reversal:
Despite their more standard comp, I've never seen an enemy team play so poorly ever. ETC tried to mosh once when I was around, so I poly'd him out of it. I don't think he mosh pitted again the entire game. The enemy team never took their seige camp the entire game, or even checked it while it was coming up-- which allowed murky and brightwing to dominate both seige the entire game. When they got dragon knights the knight would just dance around waiting for his team, taking free damage from us. Their ranged assassins frequently overextended just to get polymorphed/dunked/falstad auto attacked to death. Whenever march of the murlocs went off vaguely in their direction they would move in all directions, hitting as many pufferfish as possible and thus die to it as a team.
In the end they had a dragon knight at the 26-ish minute mark. They danced and danced, took free damage. Then the knight finally began to attack our core. But by then they had lost all but the knight(ETC) and valla. Murky killed valla, johanna finished off the dragon knight, and ETC got polymorphed. 60% of our core was left and all of us were up, so falstad just flew straight to their core, brightwing teleported in, and boom-- game over.
So, it's true. Any comp can work in heroleague, so long as your opponents have no clue what they are doing.
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Overconfidence is a real thing. I've seen more games go from a dominating lead to a throw than an even matched game edged. A team that gets too cocky because of perceived draft success is one that is more susceptible to mistakes.
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On another note, a big hearty thank you to the Russian Kael'Thas that AFKd when we had to stop their boss attempt, letting them get it, then charging out of our gate when we were defending it, dying, so we lost the game with their core on 76%. Massive thanks to that guy.
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On April 07 2016 16:18 Larkin wrote:
Overconfidence is a real thing. I've seen more games go from a dominating lead to a throw than an even matched game edged. A team that gets too cocky because of perceived draft success is one that is more susceptible to mistakes.
That's why I always write "We can only lose if we throw, so let's play it by the book" when my team starts to get too cocky. Sometimes it works.
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Played with a Valla yesterday, who didn't understand why we asked her to play safe and stick with us all game. After we had lost, I checked, she had 0 kills, 1 assist and 6 death. She jumped frontline in every single engagement and got wiped instantly.
Our team had 7 or so takedowns, and everyone was around 2 deaths. That's how bad she was.
#WhenSustainedDamageHeroesDon'tSustain
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Don't forget Frontline Keal'Thas.
First to walk into the enemy team!
First to facecheck that bush!
First to die!
Same thing with a Jaina or a Nazeebo.
Players just don't think about their positioning or where the enemy team might be and only find out they have no escape available when they get pounced.
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At rank 1, people going 3v5 or 4v5 is mindblowing really.
Lost so many games because of this.
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How about the single level 14 hero trying to contest the objective solo against level 16 enemy team.
So often I write in chat that we should not contest an objective because we have a talent disadvantage (unless said objective would win the game then and there). And they still go anyway. And I have to go with them to avoid it being a 4v5.
Who cares if the enemy team gets one more damn tribute on Cursed Hollow? Especially if it doesn't curse our team.
Still beats dying and them still getting the tribute anyway. But no...charge forward they will.
Runaway trains man.
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Oh I got so 2 nice games today. :-)
Game 1, we play with noobs, we loose. Raynor and Xul proceed to feed 6 death before the 4 minute mark. I have this Lunara on the team, had no DPS, and above all, who dives. You have Lunara Raynor Lili ETC, you're all about sustained fights, right ? Well, fuck you logic. They started to play 12 minutes in. And we wrecked them, but on tower of doom, you cannot start playing when core is at 5 HP (in 12 minutes, yes).
Game 2, the guy 1st pick Artanis. I ask if he wants another tank, he doesn't reply (he's muted BUT IT FUCKING DOESNT SHOW ON LOBBY) so I go with ETC. Then our last 2 pickers. We needed a healer. Our captain gets KT, because fuck you (and he was muted too). And Our last guy hovers on Lili but then, no, Raynor fuck you and your family.
We could manage with no healer. If Artanis didn't yolo all game, 1v4, 1v5, facecheck pirate with no map control (Artanis is so famous for his great escapes, you know). If Artanis did take the good ultimate too. The blind one is ok, but with FUCKING ETC AND TARGET PURIFIED you wreck teams.
If KT didn't suck, facecheck, disengage full life and ended up with no damage. Raynor sucked, didn't play lanes, didn't fight well.
Blizzard, I'm pretty sure me and my friend didn't do anything to piss you. Don't give us 2 muted guys.
Last game, we got decent people. 1 good Zera, 1 good Zag, 1 bad Tyrande on the team. We wreck the opponent. Like, no game. And they didn't suck.
About the mute punishment, it just doesn't work. I have an IRL friend who is on his 2nd mute, and he doesn't care at all. And people won't care. They need to ban these guys for a couple of days, then a week, and so...
I mean, mute them all you want, if they go AFK or feed, the toxicity doesn't end.
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the one time you get captain, of course your team must be completely reatrded, including first pick lunara that chases ahead of sonya and feeds 3 times before first altar
then DCs before level 10
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I thought silenced accounts could still talk in draft.
edit- Nevermind--- easily fact checked.
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On April 07 2016 09:31 xDaunt wrote:
I just saw the dumbest fucking banning in my life. Map is Blackheart's Bay. Red Team is first pick. Red Team bans Li-Ming to start. Blue Team banner does not ban Illidan, despite us begging him to. Instead, he bans XUL, an Illidan counter. Sure enough, Red Team picks Illidan. Our first two picks are Jaina and Zagara. Guess who our assclown team leader banned next? MURADIN -- THE BEST ILLIDAN COUNTER. And to make things even better, he picks Chen as our main tank. I checked his profile, and he has like under 500 games total, almost all of which are on support. How the fuck did someone so stupid get to Rank 1?
If that dude was on my team I probably would be perma banned. Like....I don't even get how someone could be so retarded.
Then again, maybe he was trolling you.
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If I see 1 more first pick Azmo in one of my games, I will stab someone.
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On April 08 2016 04:18 Ej_ wrote:
If I see 1 more first pick Azmo in one of my games, I will stab someone.
Just wait until the Azmodunk skin comes out...
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Man, people just don't get drafts. We ban Muradin first. They ban Johanna (??). Our first pick has pre-picked Illidan so we're trying to shape the comp for Illidan (hence the Mura ban).
Guy switches to Li Ming without a word. Obviously they pick Illidan. We're left scrambling trying to get options against Illidan and get rekt.
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On April 08 2016 04:20 Valiver wrote:Show nested quote +On April 08 2016 04:18 Ej_ wrote:
If I see 1 more first pick Azmo in one of my games, I will stab someone. Just wait until the Azmodunk skin comes out...
I wonder when their next Azmodan skin after Azmodunk comes down, Azmodank.
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Got this guy, who prepicked Murky. I was captain (and a huge Murky fan) but some guy already had a specialist, and he wouldn't change, so I talk to him. In the end I tell him "dude I'm sorry but I'll have to ban Murky then". I click on ban, then the guy talks for the first time "Hey guys, I was on the phone with my GF. Chill, I'll change". At this point we had a Muradin. He seemed confused about what to pick (you'd be confused too if you arrived in the middle of a draft like a dick, but you don't do it, because it's a dick thing) and he ends up picking Diablo. Muradin Diablo in the current meta, and with not-so-good people, let me tell you, it doesn't work at all.
No use to ellaborate on the usual "2 warriors but they can't peel / protect the backline". It's not like I was expecting anything from him. At least we lost fast.
edit: was it a good idea to open F2P heroes in HL ? Now any moron can play 4 or 5 quick games with Xul and go full noob mode in HL.
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Its upsetting how many 3 - 5 man Mosh Pits you can get in a row and still lose teamfights
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I believe it was a good thing in the long run to open up Free to play heroes in HL.
More people that actually play HL this way.
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Oh yeah, thanks for reminding all of us to not play HL this week-end, or on smurf accounts. Gentlemen, it's going to be hell out there.
edit: 6 HL games in 2 days, 4 of them were auto losses because people wanting to draft whatever (Murky 5th pick on tower of doom because fuck you). The other 2 we stomp the opponent, no game at all (even with a bot on the team). Seriously, even at rank 1-5 the quality games are very rare these last 2 weeks.
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I've been only smurfing for the last 2 weeks ^^
It's amazing how relaxing that can be and ppl are generally nice and listen quite a lot, specially when they see stats and how you are the only one that never died and still have the most damage. That surprises quite a lot of ppl
I guess i have to play some Dehaka, at least till level 5 
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