EPTLong death timers at the start would enable Nova to snowball the match in the first minutes really often, since its really easy for her to get a kill. And they might even be able to push a lane to the towers and make you lose exp.
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FeyFey
Germany10114 Posts
Long death timers at the start would enable Nova to snowball the match in the first minutes really often, since its really easy for her to get a kill. And they might even be able to push a lane to the towers and make you lose exp. | ||
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xDaunt
United States17988 Posts
On March 21 2015 00:57 kingjames01 wrote: Instead of playing it safe and guaranteeing a 100% victory in 4 or 5 minutes by compounding our lead, they stay and we end up taking a fight under the Core. If we win, then hooray! However, we usually get pushed back or even lose a few teammates who cannot disengage in time. Now we're only slightly ahead or just even. So we traded away a guaranteed victory for the chance at ending it early. I facepalm every single time that happens. This is a very common mistake that even Rank 1 players make all of the time. They push their advantage too hard and end up giving it away instead of playing safe and waiting for the map objectives to come to them. If you think about it, most map objectives spawn every two minutes or so. It's not like the delay is ever going to be that long. | ||
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kingjames01
Canada1603 Posts
On March 21 2015 01:45 xDaunt wrote: This is a very common mistake that even Rank 1 players make all of the time. They push their advantage too hard and end up giving it away instead of playing safe and waiting for the map objectives to come to them. If you think about it, most map objectives spawn every two minutes or so. It's not like the delay is ever going to be that long. It's even worse when the objectives have ALREADY spawned!! A very common scenario: + Show Spoiler + Come on guys! Let's go get the (DK, Seeds, miscellaneous objective)!!! Don't die here, it's not worth it! *** Attack Core *** *** Defense Holds *** *** Team tries to disengage cleanly *** *** We lose a player while trying to disengage *** *** Now we try to contest an Objective without a clear advantage *** sigh... | ||
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Holdenintherye
Canada1441 Posts
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kingjames01
Canada1603 Posts
On March 21 2015 02:58 Holdenintherye wrote: This sounds like this should all be in the QQ thread, but yeah it's very frustrating when your team mates have no idea about when it is a good time to push or go for objectives Well it's not a QQ, really. We were addressing the statement that winning a fight pre-Golem gains no advantage, and thus, early death timers should be lengthened. My point is that there is a clear advantage. However, players are not thinking strategically and end up confusing their actual advantage (a small window of time) for something that it isn't (free Golem). Although, you can often convert that time window into a Golem, you aren't guaranteed the Golem if you go straight for it, especially if your team is very low on health and mana. | ||
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xDaunt
United States17988 Posts
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jcarlsoniv
United States27922 Posts
On March 21 2015 03:58 xDaunt wrote: The game is still not very well understood by most players, so it is certainly not QQ to point that out and discuss strategy. To be fair, although this game is still developing, the whole "let's get super greedy and try for the fast win" thing is prevalent everywhere. It's the same in League and Smite (and I'm sure all other MOBAs) - people get overconfident and don't take all the variables into account. | ||
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xDaunt
United States17988 Posts
On March 21 2015 04:01 jcarlsoniv wrote: To be fair, although this game is still developing, the whole "let's get super greedy and try for the fast win" thing is prevalent everywhere. It's the same in League and Smite (and I'm sure all other MOBAs) - people get overconfident and don't take all the variables into account. I'm not suggesting that the issue will ever be fixed. There is a reason some players are simply better than others: they make better choices. | ||
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kingjames01
Canada1603 Posts
On March 21 2015 04:23 xDaunt wrote: I'm not suggesting that the issue will ever be fixed. There is a reason some players are simply better than others: they make better choices. Right, and the more it's discussed, the better the chance that the less experienced players might read or hear about the idea. | ||
[Phantom]
Mexico2170 Posts
Just when i thought i wouldn't spend more money into this game... About the mines, in the first mines i think it is worth it to jsut spread out and get skulls, doesn't matter if you die. Then, depending on if a lot of you die, how many enemies died, and how many skulls are left and how many skulls you got, it may or may not be worth it to go for the golem (when your team mate(s) respawn). Of course, spreading out is not really an option at the later mines. | ||
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kingjames01
Canada1603 Posts
Wow. I loved the Sylvanas Master Skin, the Easter Murky skin (haha, you hit people with a bouquet of flowers), the Spider mount AND the Mecha Tassadar! So much awesomeness in that video. | ||
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Dav1oN
Ukraine3164 Posts
this is amazing | ||
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kingjames01
Canada1603 Posts
Has something like this ever been implemented? Would this even be enjoyable for the general viewer? I know I'd love watching it, but then again, I love everything about this game. haha | ||
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Hryul
Austria2609 Posts
On March 21 2015 07:24 kingjames01 wrote: Would a General Mode ever work, where a sixth player was added to the game who does not control a Hero. The General's role would be to make calls and direct their individual teams around the map. Has something like this ever been implemented? Would this even be enjoyable for the general viewer? I know I'd love watching it, but then again, I love everything about this game. haha i wonder how much this would increase the flame potential for the whole game. especially when people are of different skill level. i just had a game where it was clear that the enemy was going for golem on BHB but 2 went to the bruisers instead of contesting. I'm super mad, but i could imagine people dont like being told to stop their creeping. | ||
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kingjames01
Canada1603 Posts
On March 21 2015 08:25 Hryul wrote: i wonder how much this would increase the flame potential for the whole game. especially when people are of different skill level. i just had a game where it was clear that the enemy was going for golem on BHB but 2 went to the bruisers instead of contesting. I'm super mad, but i could imagine people dont like being told to stop their creeping. Yeah, this probably wouldn't work too well with public games. However, at the highest levels of play, ex. in a Team League or Tournament, it would be fascinating to watch 2 minds duke it out, while their teammates execute the orders. Also, if a player purposely queues for "General Mode", then they should be expected to at least understand that there's a General on the field. If they want to just play a standard game, they could have chosen Quick Match or Hero League. | ||
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KillerSOS
United States4207 Posts
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shid0x
Korea (South)5014 Posts
On March 21 2015 05:14 [Phantom] wrote: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0DAYNIC1VTg&feature=youtu.be Just when i thought i wouldn't spend more money into this game... About the mines, in the first mines i think it is worth it to jsut spread out and get skulls, doesn't matter if you die. Then, depending on if a lot of you die, how many enemies died, and how many skulls are left and how many skulls you got, it may or may not be worth it to go for the golem (when your team mate(s) respawn). Of course, spreading out is not really an option at the later mines. Dat ranger general sylvanas... Also small question, during teamfight do any of you manage to get 60FPS ? I have a good rig but yet i always go to 40 during big teamfights :'( asked a friend of mine and he got the same ( he has a bigger rig than me ). Considering the engine is very similar to SC2 this does not surprise (ie its bad) me but i just wanna be sure. | ||
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dae
Canada1600 Posts
On March 21 2015 08:59 KillerSOS wrote: Got an email from Blizz with 4 free beta keys. Anyone want one? If so, PM me. I too have 4 beta keys, if you want one PM me. | ||
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wongfeihung
United States763 Posts
On March 21 2015 07:24 kingjames01 wrote: Would a General Mode ever work, where a sixth player was added to the game who does not control a Hero. The General's role would be to make calls and direct their individual teams around the map. Has something like this ever been implemented? Would this even be enjoyable for the general viewer? I know I'd love watching it, but then again, I love everything about this game. haha I think I would prefer a 1v1 mode where you control 5 heroes. | ||
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kingjames01
Canada1603 Posts
On March 21 2015 10:23 wongfeihung wrote: I think I would prefer a 1v1 mode where you control 5 heroes. I'd definitely watch that! | ||
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