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Eliezar
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rewtamus
United States327 Posts
On December 04 2014 23:04 Eliezar wrote: I guess they just sent out a giant wave of alpha invites since I got 2...hoping to give it a try at some point today. What's the best place for starting info. I see a herofire above, but anywhere else that is good reading for a starting point? from a couple pages back On November 29 2014 13:34 Tomed wrote: I just got into the alpha and was wondering if there were any good resources to get up to speed with the latest metagame/strategies? I'm pretty familiar with other mobas was just looking for some tips for getting started in heroes. zuna's tier list with builds: http://heroesofthestorm.github.io/zuna-tierlist.html general tips: http://www.gosugamers.net/heroesofthestorm/features/4041-what-you-should-know-when-playing-heroes-of-the-storm-for-the-first-time 10 Tips for New Players in Heroes of the Storm (All new players should read this) http://www.reddit.com/r/heroesofthestorm/comments/2jdh26/10_tips_for_new_players_in_heroes_of_the_storm/ beginner tips: http://imgur.com/a/CKYRH advanced tips: http://imgur.com/a/IS3aL as for meta, pretty much just watch streams & competitive VoD's what a lot of teams run: tank, healer, 2x dps, specialist some heroes are much better on certain maps just get in there & start playing versus as soon as possible. sure, level your character to 4 in coop so they arent talent-gated, but i advise against playing a lot of coop. | ||
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xDaunt
United States17988 Posts
I also get the sense that Zeratul is rather underappreciated for what he can do (not that I mind, because he's evolving into my main). Aggressively played with good map awareness, he can cause so many problems for the opposing team. | ||
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kongoline
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Hider
Denmark9407 Posts
On December 05 2014 01:55 xDaunt wrote: Why does Zuna have Abathur so low on his tier list? I don't think that ult change is that big of a nerf to warrant such low placement. I also get the sense that Zeratul is rather underappreciated for what he can do (not that I mind, because he's evolving into my main). Aggressively played with good map awareness, he can cause so many problems for the opposing team. In terms of solo que potential, it wouldn't surprise me if Zeratul is the best hero of them all as most teams typically are not grouped up enough and most squishy heroes do not know how to protect them selves properly. Moreover, even if you team is worse than the enemy team, but the enemy's composition isn't suited to "counter" Zeratul, you can clean up lost teamfights all by your self. | ||
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xDaunt
United States17988 Posts
On December 05 2014 02:16 Hider wrote: In terms of solo que potential, it wouldn't surprise me if Zeratul is the best hero of them all as most teams typically are not grouped up enough and most squishy heroes do not know how to protect them selves properly. Moreover, even if you team is worse than the enemy team, but the enemy's composition isn't suited to "counter" Zeratul, you can clean up lost teamfights all by your self. Here's the thing with Zeratul. The only comp that effectively counters him is one that is tanky and heal-heavy such that Zeratul's burst is ineffective. Individual heroes like Arthas and Stitches counter him, but it's not very hard to play around them. Support heroes like Tyrande and Tassadar, if played and built correctly, can go a long ways towards mitigating Zeratul, but the enemy team still has to be on top of focusing Zeratul down, which of course presents its own unique problems given Zeratul's ability to escape and the fact that Zeratul's teammates probably won't be standing around with their thumbs up their asses when the team fight rolls around. Regardless, Zeratul is at his best when you play him asymmetrically, and this is where he really can create havoc. Seize key objectives. Steal enemy merc camps. Gank heroes that are attacking merc camps. Blackwater Bay is probably Zeratul's best map just because there's so much that he can do there to cause problems. | ||
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kongoline
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developers AMA just begun | ||
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Hider
Denmark9407 Posts
On December 05 2014 02:46 xDaunt wrote: Here's the thing with Zeratul. The only comp that effectively counters him is one that is tanky and heal-heavy such that Zeratul's burst is ineffective. Individual heroes like Arthas and Stitches counter him, but it's not very hard to play around them. Support heroes like Tyrande and Tassadar, if played and built correctly, can go a long ways towards mitigating Zeratul, but the enemy team still has to be on top of focusing Zeratul down, which of course presents its own unique problems given Zeratul's ability to escape and the fact that Zeratul's teammates probably won't be standing around with their thumbs up their asses when the team fight rolls around. Regardless, Zeratul is at his best when you play him asymmetrically, and this is where he really can create havoc. Seize key objectives. Steal enemy merc camps. Gank heroes that are attacking merc camps. Blackwater Bay is probably Zeratul's best map just because there's so much that he can do there to cause problems. I think if the enemy has Uther and perhaps one other support and any squishy targets stay close to Uther, Zeratul will have a diffiult time doing anything as he needs a doubleW, 1Q and an auto-attack to kill the least squishy targets (assuming they have full HP). However, if he needs to get close to Uther to attack, Uther will stun him, and Zeratul will/should die. Moreover, if the enemy has two healers/supports, you can't really kill a target over time (like doubleW 2 times over a 10 second period). Anyway, the current free rotation makes playing Zeratul really easy. He can easily kill all of the heroes very quickly and escape safely with the exception of Chen. | ||
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xDaunt
United States17988 Posts
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[Phantom]
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Edit: forget it, I created one. About zeratul...I don't know, a lot of people doesnt seem to know what void prison does and all my allies always go and get stuck on it instead of idk killing the ones outside ruinning everything, that's why I usually almost never ult with zera anymore | ||
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Hider
Denmark9407 Posts
On December 05 2014 04:42 [SXG]Phantom wrote: I don't have a reddit account but could someone please ask about the map editor. Edit: forget it, I created one. About zeratul...I don't know, a lot of people doesnt seem to know what void prison does and all my allies always go and get stuck on it instead of idk killing the ones outside ruinning everything, that's why I usually almost never ult with zera anymore I am not sure players directly do not understand how it works, but it's definitely one of the most "complicated" abilities in the game. I played over 200 games with Zeratul and my teammates still whine about the usage quite consistently. A big part of that is that I have no idea what my teammaters plan to do and if they attack an enemy at the same time I cast VP, they get super annoyed and start bming me  If you lose a teamfight, the guy who casts a "bad" VP is always the scape-goat. Moreover, my teammates - even at diamond level - do not properly understand how Zeratul - in general - works. Often time its worth to cast VP on the enemy even if hits a teammate at the same time as it means that your CD resets, and Zeratul is so cooldown-focussed. But in these situations they often start blaming you, despite the fact that its the best possible thing you can do. The reason its the most complicated ability is that you need to cast it relative to the hero composition and hero position of your allies and enemies. That is so so many variables, and makes the optimal useage in many teamfights not obvious. Another downside of playing Zeratul is that he is so easy to blame from the teammates perspective if the team is losing. They see you going in and out and do not understand why you dont stay in fights and help them. I have had games where I played really well, and despite my team losing, I would still be like 21-4 w/ solid siege-damage. Then there would be this "Chen" player who - at the same point in time- would have a KDA of 11-7, but with higher hero damage, and he would start blaming me for losing because I wasn't "participating" in teamfights, and they would point to my low hero damage. According to his logic, an assasin should always have higher hero damage than a tank. But Zeratul doesn't have very high hero damage in the first half of the game as he isn't attacking for a big part of the engagements. Untill you get double-bombs at level 16 your burst damage isn't that high either, which means that Zeratul will post very medicore hero damage stats during the first half of the game. So it's very easy to feel mistreated with Zeratul by your teammaters, even if you play a very solid A- game. | ||
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xDaunt
United States17988 Posts
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Hider
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On December 05 2014 07:04 xDaunt wrote: People !@#$%^&* about Zeratul's hero damage in game is just stupid. Yeah, his numbers may be relatively low across the team, but I guarantee that a far higher percentage of his hero damage directly translates to hero kills than anyone else's. But you must have felt it as well right? For other heroes, it's typically only the guy who is really sucky in every way who gets blamed by teammaters. Like if you have a bad KDA ratio and low siege damage. But with Zeratul, even though you can post a great overall stat record, your teammates still find that one stat where your "behind", and starts blaming you. | ||
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xDaunt
United States17988 Posts
On December 05 2014 07:09 Hider wrote: But you must have felt it as well right? For other heroes, it's typically only the guy who is really sucky in every way who gets blamed by teammaters. Like if you have a bad KDA ratio and low siege damage. But with Zeratul, even though you can post a great overall stat record, your teammates still find that one stat where your "behind", and starts blaming you. I don't get blamed anymore. Since my initial suckiness with Zeratul, I've running with close to a 75-80%+ win rate with him, and it is usually fairly obvious that I'm contributing hugely to the team's success if not outright carrying the team. | ||
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Hider
Denmark9407 Posts
On December 05 2014 07:26 xDaunt wrote: I don't get blamed anymore. Since my initial suckiness with Zeratul, I've running with close to a 75-80%+ win rate with him, and it is usually fairly obvious that I'm contributing hugely to the team's success if not outright carrying the team. I actually think I averaged roughly 70% w/rate over the last 60 games as well with him. In half of the lost games, I would still post much better stats than my teamaters, and in the remaining 15% I would be along with my allies. Probably averaging close to a KDA ratio of 10 over those games. But it's actually in the games where the team is losing, but your doing well KDA-wise that teammaters starts to blame you. Maybe it's some type of "you should not think your doing better than us"-syndrome. Too an extent, KDA-ratio is also a bit unfair since Nova and Zeratul - by design - will do better than other heroes, but some of the complaints are just insane. Really wish I could post some screenshots, but I think they were from old patch (unfortunately). But I definitely get more "complaints" than "nice plays" comments (most are from VP useage), which is a bit sad. If I am dead and see that my teammaters turn an unfavorable situation into a won teamfight, I always write nice job. But I have had lots of situations where I am sitting at home and thinking to myself "woah, what a play I just made", followed by absolute silence in chat. Come on, allies give me something please  So yeh, that was my little vent about how you feel underappreciated with Zeratul. | ||
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rewtamus
United States327 Posts
Player said ingame that he's Diamond in LoL. I don't give a shit if you're Diamond in LoL rofl, you're wood league in HotS. I used to play League semi-srs and I would get into inhouses with pros, ended S1 @ plat #707 NA etc etc yadda.. I attempted to use pings & guide player with calls in a positive manner, and they responded toxic. If a players ego gets in the way of them processing useful feedback/tips, then they should go play starcraft, minesweeper, or some other single-player game. Like, I train Brazilian Jiu Jitsu, and if a Whitebelt has a useful observation, my coach will call everyone in the class together & point it out. Whitebelt's sometimes give Blackbelt's insight they never realized before. Please leave your ego at the door... this is a team game, especially if I can easily find out you're new to HotS... you just end up looking like a heavy-trashscrub whose gameplay cant back up their ego-peen. bigego-heavynoob only had 1 game on hotdogs, which was a win. Obviously the right thing to do was upload the loss asap, he lost ~250mmr and I lost 20. I care? No, but he did. I messaged him afterwards & told him I made sure to upload the loss... he was quite toxic in his response p.s. I will gladly elo-police people if they are obviously bad but talk like they're a king. I don't care about hotslogs... reasoning: I know I'm a decent player & I get better every day, I also know I'm going to end up in high-mmr when ranked comes out. I'm confident I belong there, so I'm not worried about having to grind back to high-mmr, I'll gladly throw games to keep scrubs from getting up there. | ||
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xDaunt
United States17988 Posts
On December 05 2014 07:41 rewtamus wrote: The other day I ran into a player who thought he was a pro, but played terrible. I checked hotdogs and he had 1 game played. Player said ingame that he's Diamond in LoL. I don't give a shit if you're Diamond in LoL rofl, you're wood league in HotS. I used to play League semi-srs and I would get into inhouses with pros, ended S1 @ plat #707 NA etc etc yadda.. If a players ego gets in the way of them processing useful feedback/tips, then they should go play starcraft, minesweeper, or some other single-player game. Please leave your ego at the door... this is a team game, especially if I can easily find out you're new to HotS... you just end up looking like a heavy-trashscrub whose gameplay cant back up their ego-peen. bigego-heavynoob only had 1 game on hotdogs, which was a win. Obviously the right thing to do was upload the loss asap, he lost ~250mmr and I lost 20. I care? No, but he did. I messaged him afterwards & told him I made sure to upload the loss... he was quite toxic in his response p.s. I will gladly elo-police people if they are obviously bad but talk like they're a king. I don't care about hotslogs... reasoning: I know I'm a decent player & I get better every day, I also know I'm going to end up in high-mmr when ranked comes out. I'm confident I belong there, so I'm not worried about having to grind back to high-mmr, I'll gladly throw games to keep scrubs from getting up there. Yeah, this is definitely a different game than LoL or DOTA. For whatever reason, I'm a lot better at HOTS than either of those games, so I question the extent to which experience from those games translates to HOTS. As for hotslogs, I'm not sure how accurate it is. Hopefully Blizzard releases a ranking system soon. | ||
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Valiver
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Hider
Denmark9407 Posts
On December 05 2014 07:58 Valiver wrote: Overall I think hotslogs is fairly accurate, but only if you have a lot of games uploaded. It's still a 3rd party ranking though so I want an official ranking system too. Best approach is to look at the average of your teammaters and oppoennts team MMR over a series of games. This will detect "cheaters" or flaws in the system. | ||
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rewtamus
United States327 Posts
ffs is it really so important to not be at the bottom of the list? good job jerkface If its not fixed by the time I get home from work today, I'll manually go through it and fix it all. | ||
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