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Heroes Large General Thread - Page 223
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rewtamus
United States327 Posts
http://www.twitch.tv/rewter/c/5530830 | ||
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Diamond
United States10796 Posts
I do Q&A the whole time so come by and ask some questions, high mmr player and coach for both ESV Wildfire and Tempest, so I can drop some knowledge! | ||
[Phantom]
Mexico2170 Posts
My theory also says that late at night, like from 12 am to 2am, there are better players in general than in the morning. Long story short, i was in a party me playing with arthas/raynor/valla, with guys who are farily good, and have played against cloud 9 (although lost horribly to them), but just to give you an idea that they aren't noobs, and we won like 5 games in a row, then lose like two. So, today, i decide i want to play zeratul (which i just bought, and according to hotslogs, i loose more games with him than i win, although i personally don't consider my self to be a bad zeratul). Solo queue, first match: "Hi, im new, if I do something wrong please tell me" Me: "No problem, we'll guide you" We lose, but i don't think it was the new players fault. Going to the next game: Sonya dies: "Sorry I'm new" Me: No problem. Then the garden appears, sonya takes it, i say "don't fight vs the other team, just push their base, we'll keep them busy" She proceeds to fight the enemies, terror dies Then i said "alright, dont worry, but next time, really push their base, garden isn't ment to be an assassin" Then, she takes the next terror, enemy also got one, and then even though i tell her to push their base, he proceeds to fight the other terror mid map. At least the other terror didn't push our base either, but well, we eventually lost the game. Next game: "Hi, im new hope its not a problem" Me: "Dont worry" Other guy: "Im also new" Me: "Ok, start to worry" Long story short, we lose. Theres another game, in wich a valla, was just wanting to take every merc camp, saying that that will win us the game, and im like "well, kinda, yes" But there are times for everything, and taking a merc camp solo, when your team is in a 4 vs 5 battle, is not the time. Then, i watch my daily quest, and i see i haven't won a game all day (the quest is win 3 games in any mode). Then, i go and say, we'll i'll try with arthas. Going into the game: No new players, only 1 hero from the free rotation (nova), the other team also had heroes who they have mostly boughts, everyone knew what to do, we win. Now, of course, this is not statistical, or a fact, but i seriously notice a very big difference in alies and oponents depending on which hero I play. Also, im not saying i'm a great player, i'm average, but at lvl 40 with 250+ games, I at least know what to do, so this kind of things frustrate me because i feel like i can't play with a hero that is not my main, unless i'm playing with a friend. EDIT: ^^Thats super nice, i've seen you in the tournaments  definitely will watch your stream right now. | ||
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sushiko
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On November 30 2014 10:51 [SXG]Phantom wrote: So, from my empirical experience, playing with other hero changes your MMR A LOT. I've noticed this as well, and just figured it was due to low player base and the weird hero level + MMR system. Whenever I play a level 1-4 hero, i notice a lot of other players playing similar hero levels. Unfortunately, they also played less than 50 games most of the time. I'm not too worried when ranked comes out, since it'll be like hearthstone and you'll really only get matched with people within your rank +/- 1. Hopefully Blizzard optimizes the system for people who want nice even games in unranked. Nice stream Diamond! Good luck with your teams! | ||
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[Phantom]
Mexico2170 Posts
Yes, its better to give a sense of progretion, but, it has the problem that, lets say, a rank 10, could be actually worse than a rank 15, but he just plays more. | ||
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Blitzkrieg0
United States13132 Posts
On November 30 2014 11:28 [SXG]Phantom wrote: But im kind of worried about that hearthstone rank. Yes, its better to give a sense of progretion, but, it has the problem that, lets say, a rank 10, could be actually worse than a rank 15, but he just plays more. You don't rank up in hearthstone just from playing a lot. | ||
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deth2munkies
United States4051 Posts
On November 30 2014 10:39 Diamond wrote: Streaming some Heroes over at http://www.twitch.tv/esvision. I do Q&A the whole time so come by and ask some questions, high mmr player and coach for both ESV Wildfire and Tempest, so I can drop some knowledge! ^He actually runs a pretty good stream, should follow. On November 30 2014 13:28 Blitzkrieg0 wrote: You don't rank up in hearthstone just from playing a lot. Yeah you do. You'll find wins eventually. | ||
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Diamond
United States10796 Posts
Going to stream tomorrow during the ESL tournament if you want to hear some comms. ♥♥ | ||
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Blitzkrieg0
United States13132 Posts
On November 30 2014 14:19 deth2munkies wrote: Yeah you do. You'll find wins eventually. You'll hit rank 20 because you don't lose ranks prior to that point, but you won't maintain anything past that merely from playing a lot. You might peak a few ranks higher than your true skill, but after a lucky win streak you'll start losing more games than you win and drop back down. Oscillating around your true skill is how the system works. | ||
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rewtamus
United States327 Posts
On November 30 2014 14:36 Diamond wrote: Thank for stopping by everyone from TL (done for the night), was off a bit on my commentary but still getting back in the swing of streaming! Going to stream tomorrow during the ESL tournament if you want to hear some comms. ♥♥ Crap I didn't check the thread in time to watch your stream today, but looking forward to tomorrows commentary | ||
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GizmoPT
Portugal3040 Posts
On November 30 2014 15:32 Blitzkrieg0 wrote: You'll hit rank 20 because you don't lose ranks prior to that point, but you won't maintain anything past that merely from playing a lot. You might peak a few ranks higher than your true skill, but after a lucky win streak you'll start losing more games than you win and drop back down. Oscillating around your true skill is how the system works. gotta see it in other perspective.. two players of same level, the one that plays more games will be higher rank for sure with the hearthstone system, cause you need lot of games to progress through the ranks. so maybe you will be in a lower rank than you normally would if you could play more games | ||
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Blitzkrieg0
United States13132 Posts
On December 01 2014 02:08 GizmoPT wrote: gotta see it in other perspective.. two players of same level, the one that plays more games will be higher rank for sure with the hearthstone system, cause you need lot of games to progress through the ranks. so maybe you will be in a lower rank than you normally would if you could play more games He said a player could be rank 10, but only have the skill of a rank 15 player. A player being rank 10, but only rank 15 because he hasn't played enough games to reach rank 10 isn't a bad thing. Do you think your Elo should magically be placed without playing games? Your other perspective isn't the same situation at all. You can be wary of the season length or how the ranks reset, but his initial complaint had nothing to do with that. | ||
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Dav1oN
Ukraine3164 Posts
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iakona13
United States42 Posts
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klipik12
United States241 Posts
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deth2munkies
United States4051 Posts
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iakona13
United States42 Posts
On December 01 2014 05:44 klipik12 wrote: Hi I just edited some stuff on the Heroes Liquipedia (mostly about c9/TL changes). I really don't know what I'm doing so I hope I didn't mess it up too bad, but I would appreciate it if someone would check it ^^ Arriett is their manager, and their 5th player hasn't been revealed yet. Besides that, not sure if the cloud 9 teams should have two pages or one. Otherwise seems fine. | ||
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Brian333
657 Posts
On December 01 2014 02:13 Blitzkrieg0 wrote: He said a player could be rank 10, but only have the skill of a rank 15 player. A player being rank 10, but only rank 15 because he hasn't played enough games to reach rank 10 isn't a bad thing. Do you think your Elo should magically be placed without playing games? Your other perspective isn't the same situation at all. You can be wary of the season length or how the ranks reset, but his initial complaint had nothing to do with that. I think this argument goes both ways. Yes, you will oscillate around the same level but due to variance there is a chance you will go on a strong run followed by a swing in the other direction given enough games. If the strong run is long enough you might be significantly ahead of your skill level. Hearthstone's example isn't exactly relevant because of the relationship between deck archetype, skill, luck, and the size of a f2p player-base. Maintaining the >50% win-rate needed to rank up through mass gaming is possible because you can pick a deck that is overall favored in the popular ladder match-ups and just rely on the strength of the deck in the meta, luck, reasonable skill and a lot of games. But, I don't think it'll be as guaranteed in Heroes. I think there is some equivalency when comparing strong deck archetypes and strong heroes but I think it's much less possible for that to outweigh individual and team skill through any number of games. | ||
Excalibur_Z
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