Heroes Large General Thread - Page 142

On October 20 2014 04:44 TheTenthDoc wrote:
Locked-hero models have been successful outside of League. Smite managed it despite a super rocky start and far less marketing than Blizzard will doubtless do for HotS (no Blizzcon exposure, for one thing). Do you really think Blizzard will run it worse than Hi-Rez?

Even HoN was fairly successful with it for a time before S2 mismanagement, LoL esports, and DotA 2 release drove it six feet under and it had to change its ways.

There's also the fact that Valve's model only performs as well as it does because they give the community a lot of tools that directly interact with the content, which Blizzard is about as likely to do as pigs are to sprout wings.

Sure, the Valve model is nicer to me as a player and I've dropped games because they've adopted the locked-hero model+runes (cough Dawngate). But the model can certainly work and can provide money to sustain a beta.

On October 20 2014 06:05 crms wrote:
well this argument is a straw man anyway. no reasonable person is saying HOTS will be doomed to fail and go bankrupt if they lock heroes etc., we've only said as a consumer, it sucks compared to dota 2's completely f2p model. if you want to start a separate argument on 'what will make blizzard more money', go ahead but it's not really something I personally care about.

On October 20 2014 10:09 Plansix wrote:
Dota 2, like TF 2, is a loss leader for them to get you to install their store front on your computer. Its a great game, but the reason everything is free is because its powered by the sales of other peoples games. Blizzard does not have that special power, so they are going the route of LoL, which might work.

But all that is secondary to me having fun with the game.

On October 20 2014 13:35 ETisME wrote:
I don't know why but grinding in heroes feels slower, despite the daily challenge, level gold and shorter and less stressful grinding (different maps and less stressful environment)

Anyone feel the same?

On October 20 2014 13:05 [SXG]Phantom wrote:
Hey did you noticed that there arent any 15k gold heroes anymore? The max is 10k now.

On October 20 2014 09:01 Pr0wler wrote:

Because free things exist. Blessed are the believers.
I can agree ,that Valve's way of milking its customers, is better thought out... But most certainly it is not "completely free to play".
And by the way, I can't see anything wrong when company expects people to pay for its products. Since when, this is anti-consumer behavior ?

On October 20 2014 14:02 xDaunt wrote:

I think that it is significantly slower than LoL.

On October 20 2014 18:34 Klowney wrote:


So what part of dota 2 isn't free to play? and there is someting wrong when the prices are so ridiculously expensive.

Just because a payment model makes money does not make it consumer friendly or what people want or even the most desirable model for the company. Business is more complicated than that.

The breaking up of games into little chunks of DLC is horrendously anti-consumer and lots of people want that changed, but it makes a decent amount of money. Despite LoL's "success" there are plenty of people questioning and protesting its horrendously exploitative business model. Mobile games are another good example.

Happily it is NOT just all about money, image does matter. Dungeon Keeper mobile probably made a boatload for the pitiful amount it must have cost to develop, but its still a failure as a game because the consumers reacted badly to it, gave it bad press and hence negatively impacted how the market viewed its stock. Look at the recent statements out of EA with respect to that game...they're all effectively press releases directed at their shareholders to calm them down.

Do not ever forget that you're a customer. They are NOT doing us a favour by utilising this business model, they're trying to make money off us.

On October 20 2014 19:02 Laserist wrote:
Dota 2 is completely free to play. Even in the beginning, you receive some free cosmetics lol.

Apart from that I played more game with HOTS. The more I play the game, the more I convinced this game will not be a major e-sports title.

First of all I noticed that the objectives are pretty straightforward and defined from the beginning which closes doors for strategic diversity. I feel like all you need to do is, grab xp in lane, go for objectives as team when the timer is up or grab some neutrals. It seems all down to team composition and beware of ganks.

Skills/talents gives some margin to do stuff but mostly some of them will be better so diversity stops there too. You can't re-adjust(item choices, map control etc..) something to overcome the difficulties.

Games are fast and progressed in a way that I felt like it doesn't even matter if I contribute or not.
One giant creep comes and take down buildings, or a ship ram down everything whatever. It happens and you feel helpless. Ofc you can do something to prevent before that but it is like accumulating some advantage over a time period and watching the other team suffer from it. It feels like AI do the job and we, players merely help it to do it better.

I am aware with a very limited of games and no competitive experience, the comments may look retarded but this is what I see the game from my point of view.