EPTOn April 25 2016 22:14 Schelim wrote:
i don't get the carrion my wayward reference.
anyone care to explain?
i don't get the carrion my wayward reference.
anyone care to explain?
Carrion carry on.
It's a famous song.
www.youtube.com
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Ovid
United Kingdom948 Posts
Carrion carry on. It's a famous song. www.youtube.com | ||
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Schelim
Austria11528 Posts
aaaaaah i got the "carrion/carry on" homophone, but didn't think of the song. thanks :D that's pretty awesome indeed | ||
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Hellonslaught
Brazil0 Posts
On April 25 2016 22:12 Seuss wrote: Quoting this so that I can either say "told you so" or "I was wrong" sometime between now and 2017, and to be clear I'm primarily concerned with Standard. I bet my pride here, and in case i am proven wrong, i'll apologize and refrain myself from bad mouth new cards in the future. But don't get your hopes up, it won't happen :D Just to make sure, my post only applies to the cards till this date. New synergies might arise later on, but right now this card isn't viable. | ||
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Seuss
United States10536 Posts
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Ovid
United Kingdom948 Posts
On April 25 2016 22:41 Hellonslaught wrote: I bet my pride here, and in case i am proven wrong, i'll apologize and refrain myself from bad mouth new cards in the future. But don't get your hopes up, it won't happen :D Just to make sure, my post only applies to the cards till this date. New synergies might arise later on, but right now this card isn't viable. I think you're forgetting that it can be included alongside the auchenai, it's not going to replace auchenai but it technically adds more consistency to the heal/damage combos that exist. I can see people experimenting with including one of these in their decks, but it all depends on how prevalent aggro decks are and even then I can see including wild pyromancer over this card. | ||
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Hellonslaught
Brazil0 Posts
On April 25 2016 23:17 Ovid wrote: I can agree with you about that, but in this case, it pretty much needs to muligan the entire hand for the circle to avoid being stuck with Embrace the Darkness and Auchenai Soulpriest. I think you're forgetting that it can be included alongside the auchenai, it's not going to replace auchenai but it technically adds more consistency to the heal/damage combos that exist. I can see people experimenting with including one of these in their decks, but it all depends on how prevalent aggro decks are and even then I can see including wild pyromancer over this card. If both circles are in the end of the deck you are screwed, if this card shows up after you spend both circles you are also screwed, so no, it doesn't helps consistency. I can see it working with the new minion that Heals for 5. But still is a poor excuse for a combo. So the only available strategy related to Embrace the Shadow is: 1- Muligan hard for a circle; 2- Not play anything then card draw till turn 4; 3- Wipe the board and repopulate with strong minions that cost 5+; 4- Stabilize. Without Healbot, Belger or a buffed C'thun, that might be something really hard to accomplish. 5- Take control over the board 6- Keep up with Card draw without using a circle. I doubt it is possible to solve all those puzzles. Some ppl will try just 1 copy(and it probably won't hurt their winrate that much) but i am sure it isn't optimal. | ||
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Seuss
United States10536 Posts
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Enjun
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Edit: Just realized there is also Auchenai+2Flash Heal + Justicar Hero Power + Holy Smite. | ||
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Seuss
United States10536 Posts
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Hellonslaught
Brazil0 Posts
I failed to realize some ppl need to test it before they can see the big picture. It makes sense now why Sunshine and a few others are pissed with me. Its not about a card being good, its about the "feeling" behind those who are trying to make it work. Even when there is no hope, they still try, since they aren't experienced enough to know it. Dick move Blizzard... | ||
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Wuster
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On April 26 2016 02:06 Hellonslaught wrote: Hmmm... guess i was the problem all along. I failed to realize some ppl need to test it before they can see the big picture. It makes sense now why Sunshine and a few others are pissed with me. Its not about a card being good, its about the "feeling" behind those who are trying to make it work. Even when there is no hope, they still try, since they aren't experienced enough to know it. Dick move Blizzard... You really are setting yourself up here... Something I don't see people considering much is that Embrace the Shadows lets you activate Circle of Healing without a second Auchenai Soulpriest. Surely, that's something that'll push people into trying Reno Priest again? In fact Reno Priest is something that's *already* been experimented with, so to say Embrace the Shadows will never see play is really, really short sighted when it has such a natural home there. Of course, I don't know if it'll push Reno Priest into T1 or whatever level of power you'd accept as 'seeing play'. But I know it'll be played next season and who knows, maybe it'll even show up in a different deck altogether (it procs Yogg'Saron while Auchenai does not for example). | ||
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RevenantSC2
United States0 Posts
On April 24 2016 15:53 Nakara wrote: A lot of Flamestrike's power comes from the fact it is one card though allowing it to easily generate card advantage(will give you a whole card extra compared to Embrace the Shadow combo), auchenai manages to do this as well by leaving what is essentially a 5 power minion on the board after the clear that can contest most follow up plays your opponent has if they don't have a way to remove it immediately. So even if you can get the card draw to make it consistent I'm not even sure that combo is that great and embrace is pretty much a dead card outside of it which makes for a very lackluster card overall. I'd say rather than 2 mana flamestrike its better to look at it as 2 mana flamestrike discard a card, while this is in your deck you have a 2/30 chance to skip your draw(which is needless to say a huge drawback). Obviously a lot worse than just 2 mana Flamestrike. There's also flexibility to consider. Compare Shadowflame and Twisting Nether for example. Both effects are frequently full board clears, but Shadowflame takes two cards to clear the board, so it must be weaker than Twisting Nether right? In practice, that's not really the case. Being cheaper makes Shadowflame more flexible in many situations. Auchenai + Circle of Healing and Embrace the Shadows + Circle of Healing act very similarly. Embrace the Shadows is more flexible, but Auchenai can provide more value since it also has a body with an effect on substitute turns. I'd argue however that the 3/1 body you are left with after circle is not that valuable. It often just gets finished off by your opponent's hero power. | ||
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mordek
United States12705 Posts
 Have they hinted at anything? | ||
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WindWolf
Sweden11767 Posts
On April 26 2016 03:52 mordek wrote: I wonder if the Tavern Brawn will be 4 old god decks randomly assigned Have they hinted at anything?Some dataminers has shown a brawl images of Shifter Zerus brawl. | ||
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Seuss
United States10536 Posts
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Noidberg
United States17 Posts
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WindWolf
Sweden11767 Posts
On April 26 2016 03:57 Noidberg wrote: They have a zerus brawl already in the works? Would be awesome. http://www.hearthpwn.com/news/1440-hearthstone-patch-12574-card-nerfs-old-gods-flavor They seem to based on the chalkboard images | ||
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NewSunshine
United States5938 Posts
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Nakara
United States0 Posts
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Cricketer12
United States13994 Posts
On April 26 2016 03:54 WindWolf wrote: Some dataminers has shown a brawl images of Shifter Zerus brawl. :D HYPE HYPE HYPE | ||
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