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On December 12 2015 07:35 s3rp wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2015 03:11 Wuster wrote:On December 11 2015 12:17 BlacKcuD wrote:
Curse of Rafaam can be used by Zoo decks to counter one of their weakest matchups: Freeze Mage. The damage triggers on their turn, so Iceblock is neglected and boom mage ded. I think this is really a new toy for mill decks to help fill up their hand with junk, but I don't play those so I'm probably wrong. On December 11 2015 16:54 Karis Vas Ryaar wrote:On December 11 2015 16:24 Noidberg wrote:
How can Elise be rated so poorly and yet Rafaam is an 8?? Rafaam is a dead card against aggro, its win moreish as you need board for the +10/10 buff and thats after you spent 9 mana playing him. I would rather skip using Rafaam and play Icehowl and i do if i want to deal 10 damage to something. The random 10 damage is still just a worse Avenging Wrath. The only good spell is the mirror and again you're skipping 2 initiative turns by playing him into mummies which is weak to AoE espiecally at those stages of the game.
I can argue that Elise is a superior win condition to Rafaam especially in control vs control matchups. Elise is relevant mid game as a 3/5 which is still fine late game. Getting the monkey is a decent body for cost as essentially a 6/6 for 6 with taunt and the effect of transforming your useless cards in hand to legendary cards is insane. The trick to using the monkey is at fatigue with your hand consisting of cards you wouldnt want to play like acolytes of pain, zombie chows and other combo cards that are no longer useful.
PS. Rafaam is a worse Ysera as well. Weak to Big Game/ Bad body at 8 health to fight against aggro and the 10 mana spells wont save you while awakening can. I pretty much agree with this Elise should be at least like a 4 or 5 possibly higher. It's certainly playable although I feel that its a bit too early to say how good it actually is. I know these are pre rankings But a 2 seems insanely low. I remember Reynad talking about it on stream about how excited he was to use it in priest. I like the idea of Rafaam but I think its just not that great. even in a control matchup I don't think it gives you enough value for 2 full turns worth of doing nothing else. I think you can play elise before super late game if your playing another slow control deck because it just seems to give you so many threats that they can't deal with. just have an established board when you play the golden monkey. At first I didn't possibly see how Elise could be anything other than a joke/fun card. But then Reno happened. Seems like they'd combo well together and with Justicar some classes are basically immortal so being 'slow' doesn't really matter. Eh Control Warrior has matchups where you routinely get into fatigue situations where you sit on a couple of useless cards near the end . Those you can transform into something that is actually playable you can even cut some of your really highend cards because Elise will probably give you some and just focus on staying alive. Not to mention a 3/5 for 4 is good enough so its not a burden . I mean sure in fast matchups the Monkey won't trigger but whatever you can compensate for that with less highend so your hands are less likely be clunky early.
We're actually in agreement here.
I think Elise can potentially work now since we have Reno and Justicar who both allow the game to go much longer than ever before. So you have plenty of time to sift through your deck twice (for Map of the Golden Monkey and then the Golden Monkey itself) *and* time to sort out the situational cards you want to transform.
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So Animated Armor doesn't work with Ice Block. There goes the hype around that card...
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On December 12 2015 21:19 Drazerk wrote:
So Animated Armor doesn't work with Ice Block. There goes the hype around that card...
Isn't it the same interaction as Bolf? If Ice Block was up first it procs on lethal damage even though Bolf is up. I assume you'd need to have Animated Armor in play before Ice Block (which makes it pretty garbage yes).
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On December 13 2015 01:44 Saechiis wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2015 21:19 Drazerk wrote:
So Animated Armor doesn't work with Ice Block. There goes the hype around that card... Isn't it the same interaction as Bolf? If Ice Block was up first it procs on lethal damage even though Bolf is up. I assume you'd need to have Animated Armor in play before Ice Block (which makes it pretty garbage yes).
After testing yes it works like this so yeah its pretty garbage either way because lol at having a Animated Armor up for longer than your Ice Block
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It doesn't strike me as the kind of card you use with Ice Block anyway. Decks that use Ice Block use it because they have some play that takes a full turn of set up, as a method of insurance. Being a minion with a 4/4 body, you'd be crazy to think you could use it the same way. I'm experimenting with it in a control mage, that looks to get lots of value out of cards like Duplicate and Effigy. It's quite common to get extra Sludge Belchers, which is perfect for hiding the Animated Armor, to shield against burst damage. If anything, that's the kind of deck that will get the most out of it, as it's a deck that can have trouble staying alive sometimes. It gained a boost with the add of Brann Bronzebeard, for a heal of 16 with thr Healbot, and the Armor is an extra way to shore up your life total.
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BTW Guys just a notice -
Using Curse of Rafaam + Nozdormu automatically wins you the game.
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i'm surprised no one has said this is the worst review they've ever seen, because it is. museum curator 5? there are soooo many good deathrattles. many of them legend. raven idol seems underwhelming in a vacuum, but in practice it's actually pretty good. way better than a 2. cursed blade, curse of rafaam and eerie statue all got too high of scores as well, by at least 2. i guess it's pretty obvious that these are being rated for their constructed uses, but a lot of these cards are better in arena. there should be mention of that imo.
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On December 21 2015 00:05 bevrosity wrote:
i'm surprised no one has said this is the worst review they've ever seen, because it is. museum curator 5? there are soooo many good deathrattles. many of them legend. raven idol seems underwhelming in a vacuum, but in practice it's actually pretty good. way better than a 2. cursed blade, curse of rafaam and eerie statue all got too high of scores as well, by at least 2. i guess it's pretty obvious that these are being rated for their constructed uses, but a lot of these cards are better in arena. there should be mention of that imo.
All of these have been quite terrible. Just goes to show how difficult predictions like these are. But there were some flat out bad estimates too. Reno Jackson is a gimmick that won't see play? Yeah ok.
I still like to read through these since it makes you think what's actually good and what kinds of decks they might fit in. That part of the reviews has been ok. I like the Wailing Soul druid idea for example.
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On December 21 2015 00:05 bevrosity wrote:
i'm surprised no one has said this is the worst review they've ever seen, because it is. museum curator 5? there are soooo many good deathrattles. many of them legend. raven idol seems underwhelming in a vacuum, but in practice it's actually pretty good. way better than a 2. cursed blade, curse of rafaam and eerie statue all got too high of scores as well, by at least 2. i guess it's pretty obvious that these are being rated for their constructed uses, but a lot of these cards are better in arena. there should be mention of that imo.
These are focused on constructed
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On December 21 2015 02:14 d00p wrote:Show nested quote +On December 21 2015 00:05 bevrosity wrote:
i'm surprised no one has said this is the worst review they've ever seen, because it is. museum curator 5? there are soooo many good deathrattles. many of them legend. raven idol seems underwhelming in a vacuum, but in practice it's actually pretty good. way better than a 2. cursed blade, curse of rafaam and eerie statue all got too high of scores as well, by at least 2. i guess it's pretty obvious that these are being rated for their constructed uses, but a lot of these cards are better in arena. there should be mention of that imo.
All of these have been quite terrible. Just goes to show how difficult predictions like these are. But there were some flat out bad estimates too. Reno Jackson is a gimmick that won't see play? Yeah ok. I still like to read through these since it makes you think what's actually good and what kinds of decks they might fit in. That part of the reviews has been ok. I like the Wailing Soul druid idea for example.
I mean that's just how it goes. Look back at TGT people slammed the reviews as being too narrow-minded, while simultaneously slamming Mysterious Challenger being the highest rated card. Even the people criticizing the reviews were completely wrong.
I think Wailing Soul Druid is a viable deck, no? It was on the last Tempo Storm meta snapshot as a low-tier legend deck iirc. Hasn't risen much past that, but the old archetype got quite a buff from this expansion, looks like it's someone to keep an eye on like Dragon Priest was pre-TGT (I suppose you can throw in Murloc Shaman, Dragon Pally as archetypes to watch too).
Edit: I'm thinking Egg Druid, but Silence Druid always pops up on Hearthpwn with a legend screenshot post-expansion, so I think my main point stands.
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