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Solmyr
Profile Joined April 2008
Poland261 Posts
November 17 2016 15:36 GMT
#641
Well I would say this brawl idea was great. Go with your strongest deck and see how far you go with it arena style with arena rewards.
I just don't get where the 10 euros or 1000 gold came from. They could toned down the rewards to few packs and do it without cost of playing it. I mean for 12 wins you got absurd amount of value. But to get that you proly need to be on MrYagut level and than you don't need that value for anything.
It was nice thing for streamers for sure.
Dromar
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
United States2145 Posts
November 17 2016 15:54 GMT
#642
Yeah I mostly consider this brawl a streamer event.
Hellonslaught
Profile Joined June 2014
Brazil0 Posts
November 17 2016 16:02 GMT
#643
For me at least, there is no "risk" playing on ladder, unless you are top 100 legend the game does not feels competitive enough.

This brawl looks like a quick test to see if Tourney mode should be developed in the future and some people are already giving negative feedback just because they are "missing" their brawl for 1 week.
Priest
Dark_Chill
Profile Joined May 2011
Canada3353 Posts
November 17 2016 16:18 GMT
#644
I think an extra mode once a week or once a month thing could be really cool. Maybe an event lasting 2-3 days similar to this. Give more to the best players and maybe give more incentive to become a great player.
CUTE MAKES RIGHT
Solmyr
Profile Joined April 2008
Poland261 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-11-17 17:06:43
November 17 2016 17:05 GMT
#645
But it wasn't a quick test of tournament mode... It was just very greedy way to grab 10 euros or give people a reason to goldsink.
Why on earth they would do testing like that? Do you remember how did they gather streamers when they were working on the ideas of Standard/Wild?
I bet they would do the same. Gather 10 good players, gave them a changed application of HS with the new tournament mode and seek their judgement.
Is this brawl very competitive? I mean 12-2 is extremly good win rate, not like 3-2 wins you see most of the time at highest level. If you end with 3-2 in tournament you move on and win the match. Here you need like 8-3 to feel like winner.
Wuster
Profile Joined May 2011
1974 Posts
November 17 2016 17:39 GMT
#646
On November 18 2016 00:36 Solmyr wrote:
Well I would say this brawl idea was great. Go with your strongest deck and see how far you go with it arena style with arena rewards.
I just don't get where the 10 euros or 1000 gold came from. They could toned down the rewards to few packs and do it without cost of playing it. I mean for 12 wins you got absurd amount of value. But to get that you proly need to be on MrYagut level and than you don't need that value for anything.
It was nice thing for streamers for sure.


To me, if they don't have an entry fee they can't have the high rewards offered (otherwise you just spam it until you rng your way to high rewards). If you don't have high rewards then high ranked players are just going to dismiss it as a waste of their time.

It's possible that the 'prestige' factor would have gotten them to play, but look how many streamers gave up after a few runs yesterday? They didn't all mindlessly grind Heroic Brawl and it's quite possible a few would have skipped it completely if it was set up like a normal brawl.
Solmyr
Profile Joined April 2008
Poland261 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-11-17 17:56:13
November 17 2016 17:55 GMT
#647
TBH this is Blizzard game and they have right to do what they want with their lines of code. Am I mad that I lost a pack this week? Considering I disenchanted cards worth 18 months of daily quests proly not. But it's still a lost pack
Dromar
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
United States2145 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-11-17 17:59:35
November 17 2016 17:57 GMT
#648
Well I definitely think they could have made it something a bit less harsh, and it would have been much more popular. Maybe a 10% net loss, where they give back on average 900 worth of rewards for every 1000 invested by players. Can a player overcome a 10% fee? Quite possibly. Can you overcome a 30% fee? Probably not and it's somewhat suicidal for most people to even try.

But that may have been intentional. By having such a high fee, only the best players are going to join. It's definitely a rush when so much is at risk (relative to ladder, which is meaningless). And it's something that really drove up stream viewership. Streamers essentially purchased viewers (and subscriptions) with ingame gold. Then the masses watched them fight for our amusement. Very decadent in a way.

edit: for example, Amaz had I think 55k viewers yesterday. I don't pay attention to his stream, but I'm pretty sure that's noticeably higher than normal.
Solmyr
Profile Joined April 2008
Poland261 Posts
November 17 2016 18:56 GMT
#649
After one run of N'Zoth warrior to 12 I don't think I want to watch that again. And lots of other guys pick that deck after MrYagut success.
Wuster
Profile Joined May 2011
1974 Posts
November 17 2016 19:00 GMT
#650
On November 18 2016 02:57 Dromar wrote:
But that may have been intentional. By having such a high fee, only the best players are going to join. It's definitely a rush when so much is at risk (relative to ladder, which is meaningless). And it's something that really drove up stream viewership. Streamers essentially purchased viewers (and subscriptions) with ingame gold. Then the masses watched them fight for our amusement. Very decadent in a way.


I do that high risk / high reward is a very strong draw on it's own especially for the top players who get a chance to show off.

When I played Duel of Champions (RIP 10/31) they had 6-player swiss tournaments every other day. You needed a tournament ticket to enter (real money or random daily login rewards). Winner got a pack, which was a lot harder to get compared to Hearthstone (also random pack awarded to one of the other 5 players). So you better believe entering those swiss tournaments was quite a rush, except for the best players who stomped the field if they managed to dodge the other top players.
Hellonslaught
Profile Joined June 2014
Brazil0 Posts
November 17 2016 19:53 GMT
#651
It needs to be costly otherwise no one would take it seriously.
Hate it or not, its far more interesting then "Randomonium" or "Encounter at the Crossroads" brawl.

Interesting fact: if Blizzard just announced something in the lines of: "Brawl mode will be off for a week" and then a few days later release this mode under a new tab name, no one would ever complain. (or even make both available).
Priest
Solmyr
Profile Joined April 2008
Poland261 Posts
November 17 2016 20:08 GMT
#652
But how can you take this game seriously if you don't get any money back from it? And how many players in the world are able to do so?
WindWolf
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
Sweden11767 Posts
November 17 2016 20:13 GMT
#653
Apparently people are reporting on the Hearthstone subreddit that wins doesn't count, and ties doesn't count as they should. I'm glad that I avoid this brawl
EZ4ENCE
d00p
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
711 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-11-18 08:48:57
November 18 2016 06:53 GMT
#654
Nice Heroic Shaman Brawl Blizzard ! Jeez, even more shammies than on ladder.

It was rather entertaining to watch tbh. But shamans ruined the runs I was able to catch just like they ruin ladder. Like Firebat for instance. I think he had a very smart deck and he had teched to counter shaman, But then he simply drew really badly 3 games in a row (at 9 wins) and shamans did shaman things. Pretty frustrating.
d00p
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
711 Posts
November 18 2016 06:58 GMT
#655
I googled a bit and apparently someone caller Tylerootd got back to back 12 wins. With mid shaman obviously. But that's the single greatest feat in HS ever I think.
d00p
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
711 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-11-18 08:46:40
November 18 2016 07:02 GMT
#656
whoops
d00p
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
711 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-11-18 07:03:15
November 18 2016 07:03 GMT
#657
I'm going to continue my monologue here. How viable do you guys think MrYagut's 12 win control warrior ( http://www.hearthstonetopdecks.com/decks/mryaguts-nzoth-control-warrior-heroic-tavern-brawl-november-2016/ ) is for ladder in this meta. Because I'm thinking it should do really well on ladder too?
Solmyr
Profile Joined April 2008
Poland261 Posts
November 18 2016 07:20 GMT
#658
I have seen this deck played a lot by Complexity( quess who is on that team) in Deckgauntlet tournament sometimes 3-0 the opposition. MrYagut faced only shamans and mages in that brawl run and he did very good. But he is very good player since the blizzcon 2014 eu qualis when he show Artosis the real skills in this game.
Hearken
Profile Joined February 2014
United Kingdom0 Posts
November 18 2016 09:53 GMT
#659
They've made some changes, and have increased the cap to 100.

https://www.reddit.com/r/hearthstone/comments/5dk5w1/heroic_tavern_brawl_update/?st=IVN76O3L&sh=fff1eb93
Solmyr
Profile Joined April 2008
Poland261 Posts
November 18 2016 11:35 GMT
#660
Well it's so popular in streamers community and games are balanced about that right now.


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