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Dromar
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
United States2145 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-03-21 19:06:51
March 21 2015 19:01 GMT
#21
On March 21 2015 18:04 Torte de Lini wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 20 2015 07:59 Corgi wrote:
Can you link to Trump's basic decks? I was using a lot of Sheng's and Spark's decks which are hit and miss.


https://sites.google.com/site/trumpdecks/basicdecks

What's the appeal of arena is if it yields such weak returns?


12 wins can give you a ton of rewards (2 card packs and 2 more free arena runs), plus 85% chance for a golden card from any pack. Also, Arena is much more fun and efficient than buying packs as long as you can at least get minimum 3 wins. That will give you about 50-100 gold back. Since arena costs 150 gold, and buying a pack costs 100, you need to earn 50 gold to break even. So why arena? Well competent players can win 7 wins which allows a new free arena run since they earn 150 gold. That means you can repeatly run Arena for 7 wins each time and get enough gold to do it infinite times. This is the most efficient, non $ way to earn packs.

The other way to earn packs is do dailies which gives you gold. Or win 30 games a day to earn 100 gold from wins (10x3), which is the limit per day on gold from wins. Still confused? Just google it and I'm sure you'll find a better explanation.

Ranked is easier than casual? Because I'm finding casual relatively easy nowadays.


Like I explained, its easy at the start because your MMR is 0. But this MMR never resets so eventually you'll face harder and tougher opponents with all legendary decks because MMR. Like I said as well, you'll then play ranked because the opponents are easier than whatever is going on in casual.

The buzzard card is useless until later and even then, I found it to be not so good.


They nerfed this card big time. Its basically useless since Cult Master is better.

I will definitely just start saving for Naxxarmas, though I assume I can't beat him with just a basic deck eh?
Is there any point to the expert modes of Naxxarmas?


All modes of Naxxarmas are beatable with basic decks. This however requires you to have level 10 in all classes and thus all basic cards. A quick search on google or hearthstone subreddit will give you a bunch of threads and guides on how to do this. Note: Its not easy and it will take you 15-30 tries because it requires RNG.

Good luck in this game. I know your guides help a lot of newbies in Dota 2. Like I said about Arena stuff, you should watch some videos, use the site I linked above, and that will get you on your way to learning how to do arena while you get experience playing your basic decks.


As soon as I hit level 10 on all my characters, I will try Arena. I have about 700 gold now, so I'm feeling a bit confident about basic decks.

What I find the most difficult right now is having any cards towards the late-game. I always have only 2 cards left or something.


This is likely a product of poor play and poor cards, and will improve over time. You'll learn to play your cards in better situations to get more out of them. If you're doing okay in a game but worried about running out of cards, try using your hero power more to get value without using up your hand.

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On March 20 2015 09:55 BeMannerDuPenner wrote:
buy naxxramas and ofc buy molten core now. spend some cash on a buncha cards imho to start(thats optional tho). then youll be able to alteast play some fun decks in a decent way. other then that just play arena, its hugely rng based but on average still gives you way more then the plain 100g/pack.

this is the only option imho unless you wanna wait 4++ months to have a a halfway decent selection of cards.

i started half a year ago, bought naxx, bought around 50 packs,did like 100 arena runs and did most of my dailies and still miss atleast 70% of the "important" epics and legendarys. so ya prepare to spend money



I don't know if I'll buy any cards, not really my style


The issue of how players can keep up with new releases as f2p players came up when Blackrock Mountain was announced. I'll quote myself from that topic, as I think I covered it reasonably well there:

On March 09 2015 08:20 Dromar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 09 2015 02:52 Malhavoc wrote:
Am I the only one thinking they are releasing too much expansions compared to how much gold you can farm in-game (at least without being an arena god)?

- I always do my dailies plus some games.
- got no relevant missing card in basic set when naxx came out (spent some real money on it)
- bought naxx with left over gold
- still need to collect all relevant cards in G&G (also spent a bit of real money on it)
- going to have NO GOLD when this new adventure comes out...

At this rate of release, this game WILL be a pay to win.. because you just can't farm the cards in reasonable time with just gold.


This is very interesting to hear, because I have been experiencing the opposite.

I always do my dailies, including maxing reroll opportunities by never completing 40 gold quests unless I have to. I also play some constructed, more or less depending on how much time/interest I have. I never play arena anymore. Have played about 25 arenas in my career, and have done pretty well, but it doesn't interest me. When GvG came out, I had been saving gold for it for months (since at that point opening classic packs was just giving me dust most of the time), and was able to buy 84 packs of GvG with gold as soon as it was released. This gave me all the commons and nearly all the rares, several epics, and a few legendaries (of which Dr. Boom was one). I have been saving gold for the next expansion since then (buying a pack on occasion), and now have 4200+ gold and 7200+ dust.

At this point, I was going to just pay the $25 for the next adventure, justifying it as a great value to essentially purchase gold for packs when the next expansion comes out (essentially $25 for 35 packs, a much better value than any pack purchase option). BUT, since I seem to have so much gold and dust already, I'm actually reconsidering.


So, let's do a bit of math here. Their release schedule is approximately every 4 months. It's very easy to get 1800 gold in a month just playing a bit of constructed and completing quests every day as I do. That's 60 gold / day, almost impossible NOT to get if you complete your quest by winning some games. If you play more, you can easily surpass this. Since a new expansion such as GvG will come out approximately every 8 months, you should acquire at least 14400 gold in that time. Assuming you want to buy the adventure with gold, that leaves 10900 gold leftover. That's 109 packs per expansion, realistically enough to get all the commons and rares, many epics, a few legendaries, and a bunch of dust to fill in the gaps. If you play a bit more than just completing quests, and make, say, 80 gold / day on average, you're looking at 157 packs per expansion, and the adventure, for free.

I think this is pretty reasonable for a f2p option. The only really tough thing is if you got into the game a bit late, you'll have a lot of catching up to do if you want to have a relatively compete collection.


The later you get into the game, the more catching up you have to do, which does make things tougher, but the point is this: between each expansion (that is, new card set, not adventure like Blackrock Mountain), you can earn ~14000 gold if you do your daily quests every day. Getting the adventure between expansions with gold, you still have in excess of 100 packs worth of gold to spend on packs. If you are caught up with your card collection, IMO that's more than enough to get the cards you need when a new expansion comes out.

But again, if you come in later as you are now, you'll have some significant catching up to do. But I expect that in the future they'll offer some sort of deal on older packs. I could imagine them offering Classic packs at a discount possibly as soon as the next expansion release. They will likely address this issue at the same time they address the issue of rotating sets.
Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
March 22 2015 15:19 GMT
#22
On March 22 2015 04:01 Dromar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 21 2015 18:04 Torte de Lini wrote:
On March 20 2015 07:59 Corgi wrote:
Can you link to Trump's basic decks? I was using a lot of Sheng's and Spark's decks which are hit and miss.


https://sites.google.com/site/trumpdecks/basicdecks

What's the appeal of arena is if it yields such weak returns?


12 wins can give you a ton of rewards (2 card packs and 2 more free arena runs), plus 85% chance for a golden card from any pack. Also, Arena is much more fun and efficient than buying packs as long as you can at least get minimum 3 wins. That will give you about 50-100 gold back. Since arena costs 150 gold, and buying a pack costs 100, you need to earn 50 gold to break even. So why arena? Well competent players can win 7 wins which allows a new free arena run since they earn 150 gold. That means you can repeatly run Arena for 7 wins each time and get enough gold to do it infinite times. This is the most efficient, non $ way to earn packs.

The other way to earn packs is do dailies which gives you gold. Or win 30 games a day to earn 100 gold from wins (10x3), which is the limit per day on gold from wins. Still confused? Just google it and I'm sure you'll find a better explanation.

Ranked is easier than casual? Because I'm finding casual relatively easy nowadays.


Like I explained, its easy at the start because your MMR is 0. But this MMR never resets so eventually you'll face harder and tougher opponents with all legendary decks because MMR. Like I said as well, you'll then play ranked because the opponents are easier than whatever is going on in casual.

The buzzard card is useless until later and even then, I found it to be not so good.


They nerfed this card big time. Its basically useless since Cult Master is better.

I will definitely just start saving for Naxxarmas, though I assume I can't beat him with just a basic deck eh?
Is there any point to the expert modes of Naxxarmas?


All modes of Naxxarmas are beatable with basic decks. This however requires you to have level 10 in all classes and thus all basic cards. A quick search on google or hearthstone subreddit will give you a bunch of threads and guides on how to do this. Note: Its not easy and it will take you 15-30 tries because it requires RNG.

Good luck in this game. I know your guides help a lot of newbies in Dota 2. Like I said about Arena stuff, you should watch some videos, use the site I linked above, and that will get you on your way to learning how to do arena while you get experience playing your basic decks.


As soon as I hit level 10 on all my characters, I will try Arena. I have about 700 gold now, so I'm feeling a bit confident about basic decks.

What I find the most difficult right now is having any cards towards the late-game. I always have only 2 cards left or something.


This is likely a product of poor play and poor cards, and will improve over time. You'll learn to play your cards in better situations to get more out of them. If you're doing okay in a game but worried about running out of cards, try using your hero power more to get value without using up your hand.

Show nested quote +
On March 20 2015 09:55 BeMannerDuPenner wrote:
buy naxxramas and ofc buy molten core now. spend some cash on a buncha cards imho to start(thats optional tho). then youll be able to alteast play some fun decks in a decent way. other then that just play arena, its hugely rng based but on average still gives you way more then the plain 100g/pack.

this is the only option imho unless you wanna wait 4++ months to have a a halfway decent selection of cards.

i started half a year ago, bought naxx, bought around 50 packs,did like 100 arena runs and did most of my dailies and still miss atleast 70% of the "important" epics and legendarys. so ya prepare to spend money



I don't know if I'll buy any cards, not really my style


The issue of how players can keep up with new releases as f2p players came up when Blackrock Mountain was announced. I'll quote myself from that topic, as I think I covered it reasonably well there:

Show nested quote +
On March 09 2015 08:20 Dromar wrote:
On March 09 2015 02:52 Malhavoc wrote:
Am I the only one thinking they are releasing too much expansions compared to how much gold you can farm in-game (at least without being an arena god)?

- I always do my dailies plus some games.
- got no relevant missing card in basic set when naxx came out (spent some real money on it)
- bought naxx with left over gold
- still need to collect all relevant cards in G&G (also spent a bit of real money on it)
- going to have NO GOLD when this new adventure comes out...

At this rate of release, this game WILL be a pay to win.. because you just can't farm the cards in reasonable time with just gold.


This is very interesting to hear, because I have been experiencing the opposite.

I always do my dailies, including maxing reroll opportunities by never completing 40 gold quests unless I have to. I also play some constructed, more or less depending on how much time/interest I have. I never play arena anymore. Have played about 25 arenas in my career, and have done pretty well, but it doesn't interest me. When GvG came out, I had been saving gold for it for months (since at that point opening classic packs was just giving me dust most of the time), and was able to buy 84 packs of GvG with gold as soon as it was released. This gave me all the commons and nearly all the rares, several epics, and a few legendaries (of which Dr. Boom was one). I have been saving gold for the next expansion since then (buying a pack on occasion), and now have 4200+ gold and 7200+ dust.

At this point, I was going to just pay the $25 for the next adventure, justifying it as a great value to essentially purchase gold for packs when the next expansion comes out (essentially $25 for 35 packs, a much better value than any pack purchase option). BUT, since I seem to have so much gold and dust already, I'm actually reconsidering.


So, let's do a bit of math here. Their release schedule is approximately every 4 months. It's very easy to get 1800 gold in a month just playing a bit of constructed and completing quests every day as I do. That's 60 gold / day, almost impossible NOT to get if you complete your quest by winning some games. If you play more, you can easily surpass this. Since a new expansion such as GvG will come out approximately every 8 months, you should acquire at least 14400 gold in that time. Assuming you want to buy the adventure with gold, that leaves 10900 gold leftover. That's 109 packs per expansion, realistically enough to get all the commons and rares, many epics, a few legendaries, and a bunch of dust to fill in the gaps. If you play a bit more than just completing quests, and make, say, 80 gold / day on average, you're looking at 157 packs per expansion, and the adventure, for free.

I think this is pretty reasonable for a f2p option. The only really tough thing is if you got into the game a bit late, you'll have a lot of catching up to do if you want to have a relatively compete collection.


The later you get into the game, the more catching up you have to do, which does make things tougher, but the point is this: between each expansion (that is, new card set, not adventure like Blackrock Mountain), you can earn ~14000 gold if you do your daily quests every day. Getting the adventure between expansions with gold, you still have in excess of 100 packs worth of gold to spend on packs. If you are caught up with your card collection, IMO that's more than enough to get the cards you need when a new expansion comes out.

But again, if you come in later as you are now, you'll have some significant catching up to do. But I expect that in the future they'll offer some sort of deal on older packs. I could imagine them offering Classic packs at a discount possibly as soon as the next expansion release. They will likely address this issue at the same time they address the issue of rotating sets.


Im glad to hear F2P is not entirely an impossible action.

I literally just maxed out each class to level 10, I don't really like Paladins, Shamans or Rogues and I like Mage, Warrior and Priest the most.
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Zorgaz
Profile Joined June 2010
Sweden2951 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-03-22 15:37:55
March 22 2015 15:37 GMT
#23
Just thought I'd add that if your aiming to earn gold in arena you should be aware of the fact that it's really hard to get a consistent 7+ wins everytime. It really depends on what cards you get, and also what class you got of course. Still it is possible in the long run if your a good enough player and have a little rng on your side.

The GvG packs aren't the best way to earn new good cards though as previously mentioned. I swear the last 5 packs for me have been nothing but duplicates.
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Enjun
Profile Joined October 2014
0 Posts
March 23 2015 12:52 GMT
#24
There is also this Series on Tempostorm:

https://tempostorm.com/articles/the-newcomer-series-warlock

There is a very cheap deck for all the classes. You might want to use it for the clases that you don't focus on building a stronger deck with. Just to get the dailies done.
Ryzel
Profile Joined December 2012
United States547 Posts
March 23 2015 15:48 GMT
#25
Tempostorm has been hacked?
Hakuna Matata B*tches
Douillos
Profile Joined May 2010
France3195 Posts
March 24 2015 06:53 GMT
#26
I m not sure if this has been explained but here is some info. Concerning dailies : there are 3 types: minor (quite quick , reward 40 gold), major (longer, class centric , 60 gold), the 7 wins (100 gold).
Which quest you obtain each day is pure luck, but every day and once a day, you can Reroll a quest by clicking on the X in the top right corner of the quest box in your journal.
An optimised way of doing your quests is to never complete a 40 gold quest unless you really need too (ie youre quest log us full), always Reroll them for a 60 gold quest! this allows you to always use your daily quest Reroll, which also an important tool for getting gold faster.

Something I'd like to add is that you also get 10 gold every 3 wins, to a limit of 30 wins a day (100 g). This is why making a face hunter deck , even if a horrible deck to play, can be interesting. You can learn very fast to play it, your starting hand can be enough for you to say "fuck it, next game", and games last 5 minutes tops. Tl;Dr it's a mean grinding machine.

fiy I also play at work when things are calm and when I'm on business trips , dont hesitate to add me in game if you need any kind of advice douillos#2124.

good luck !
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Douillos
Profile Joined May 2010
France3195 Posts
March 24 2015 07:04 GMT
#27
just wanted to add something concerning adventures , so naxx and soon brm. They are severely overpriced in gold. Here is the idea: one pack is 100 gold. So naxx is basically 35 packs. 35 packs is basically 36-38 euros. Naxx costs 23 € approx iirc. so buying naxx with gold is long and is not good gold wise...
Trust me just spend euros on adventures unless you ve banked up beforehand! You're going to spend months (I'm not joking) just for naxx for what 7-8 cards? Consider it the only money you NEED to spend.
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PoulsenB
Profile Joined June 2011
Poland7734 Posts
March 24 2015 08:46 GMT
#28
On March 24 2015 16:04 Douillos wrote:
just wanted to add something concerning adventures , so naxx and soon brm. They are severely overpriced in gold. Here is the idea: one pack is 100 gold. So naxx is basically 35 packs. 35 packs is basically 36-38 euros. Naxx costs 23 € approx iirc. so buying naxx with gold is long and is not good gold wise...
Trust me just spend euros on adventures unless you ve banked up beforehand! You're going to spend months (I'm not joking) just for naxx for what 7-8 cards? Consider it the only money you NEED to spend.


I strongly agree with this logic. I tried gringing gold for Naxx and the new adventure, but after a few days I realized it'd take me a few months to get the necessary amount. I bought Naxx and Blackrock preorder a few days ago and I haven't regretted it one bit - now I can buy packs and/or arena access without this nagging feeling that I should be saving gold for the adventures. Makes playing much less stressful, and saves you like 3 months of grinding.
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ahswtini
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Northern Ireland22212 Posts
March 24 2015 11:30 GMT
#29
for the first wing of naxx, i used this awesome completely basic druid deck:
basically mulligan for wild growth and innervates to get ahead. i couldnt even beat the first mission in the first wing until i found this deck

[image loading]
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Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-03-24 12:03:23
March 24 2015 12:01 GMT
#30
On March 24 2015 20:30 ahswtini wrote:
for the first wing of naxx, i used this awesome completely basic druid deck:
basically mulligan for wild growth and innervates to get ahead. i couldnt even beat the first mission in the first wing until i found this deck

[image loading]


I'm gonna try arena first, right now actually

On March 23 2015 00:37 Zorgaz wrote:
Just thought I'd add that if your aiming to earn gold in arena you should be aware of the fact that it's really hard to get a consistent 7+ wins everytime. It really depends on what cards you get, and also what class you got of course. Still it is possible in the long run if your a good enough player and have a little rng on your side.

The GvG packs aren't the best way to earn new good cards though as previously mentioned. I swear the last 5 packs for me have been nothing but duplicates.



Someone suggested I try arenavalue.com to get the right cards, any other site to consider as well?

On March 24 2015 17:46 PoulsenB wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 24 2015 16:04 Douillos wrote:
just wanted to add something concerning adventures , so naxx and soon brm. They are severely overpriced in gold. Here is the idea: one pack is 100 gold. So naxx is basically 35 packs. 35 packs is basically 36-38 euros. Naxx costs 23 € approx iirc. so buying naxx with gold is long and is not good gold wise...
Trust me just spend euros on adventures unless you ve banked up beforehand! You're going to spend months (I'm not joking) just for naxx for what 7-8 cards? Consider it the only money you NEED to spend.


I strongly agree with this logic. I tried gringing gold for Naxx and the new adventure, but after a few days I realized it'd take me a few months to get the necessary amount. I bought Naxx and Blackrock preorder a few days ago and I haven't regretted it one bit - now I can buy packs and/or arena access without this nagging feeling that I should be saving gold for the adventures. Makes playing much less stressful, and saves you like 3 months of grinding.


I'll think about it but I'm usually one not to pay for anything in a F2P game. Plus, I only play when I am not at my PC, so the time dedicated it quite low
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weikor
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Austria580 Posts
March 24 2015 13:21 GMT
#31
So

Www.Hearthpwn.com has a great decks, however some of them might be too expensive.

As people have said, buying the adventures will help a lot.

There are a lot of tables, like this http://www.icy-veins.com/hearthstone/arena-hunter-tier-lists-goblins-vs-gnomes

to help you chose the cards with the most value, Icy veins seems like a really cool site with guides too.

There are also a lot of youtube videos of Streamers, like Trump, Amaz ... that have videos of them drafting where they explain everything
Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-03-24 15:25:16
March 24 2015 15:18 GMT
#32
[image loading]

First Arena Deck (with Rogue)

List is:

1 Cold Blood
1 Deadly Poison
1 Undertaker
1 Worgen Infiltrator
1 Zombie Chow
1 Eviscerate
1 Shiv
1 Bloodsail Raider
5 Goblin Auto-Barber
1 Haunted Creeper
1 Fan of Knives
1 Harvest Golem
1 Ogre Brute
1 Shattered Sun Cleric
1 Sabotage
2 Anub'ar Ambusher
1 Piloted Shredder
1 Spellbreaker
1 Stormwind Knight
1 Wailing Soul
1 Assassin's Blade
1 Antique Healbot
1 Azure Drake
1 Frost Elemental
1 Sea Giant

I used Arena Value and pretty much followed all their suggestions but 2-3
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