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RagequitBM
Profile Joined November 2011
Canada2270 Posts
January 13 2014 19:28 GMT
#261
Am I not adding people correctly? I've had zero people accept my friend request after a game. :/
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obesechicken13
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States10467 Posts
January 13 2014 20:01 GMT
#262
On January 14 2014 03:12 arb wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 14 2014 01:52 Noocta wrote:
Maiev isn't a rogue tho.
She's an assassin, but don't fall into the rogue archetype wow has.

I don't disagree that Valeera isn't great tho. I hate that character. She' forced from the comics and is the fan service part of them.

There is very few Rogue heroes in the warcraft universe sadly.

she wasnt an assassin lol. putting maiev in rogues would the be dumbest thing i've ever heard. She was a Warden guarding Illidans prison in the barrow dens l0l.

Edwin Vancleef could have easily been the rogue, and Vanessa a card maybe.

Show nested quote +
On January 14 2014 02:49 Dreamer.T wrote:
Maiev was an assassin, but also a Warden. Rogue's are typically people for hire, where as Wardens are guardians that do their jobs for a higher cause.


She guarded Illidans prison for 10,000 years, hardly an Assassin. She has no place in a rogue deck, maybe a neutral hero with an illidan interaction but thats it

She has a blink, can stealth, and a mark to chase people down. She may not be a rogue but she's really good at hunting people down and putting them back in jail.
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Lysenko
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Iceland2128 Posts
January 13 2014 20:03 GMT
#263
On January 14 2014 04:28 RagequitBM wrote:
Am I not adding people correctly? I've had zero people accept my friend request after a game. :/


Unfortunately, most people who friend-request after games, in my experience, do so to trash talk or whine about the outcome of a game. After a while, accepting more of them seems pretty pointless.
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RagequitBM
Profile Joined November 2011
Canada2270 Posts
January 13 2014 20:05 GMT
#264
It's just weird because in Starcraft, and League most people would add you after a game so I thought maybe I'm doing something wrong.
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Kipsate
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Netherlands45349 Posts
January 13 2014 20:13 GMT
#265
Garona , the boss of SI:7, Vareesa Windrunner(although she is a 'Ranger'') wouldn't be bad choices either.

All Night Elfs by default can stealth though due to ShadowMeld

Valeera is like wut.

Then again if Blizzard is smart they will sell portraits/voice packs with the same abilities/cards. Such as Arthas(Light) for Paladin. Varian Wrynn as warrior, Voljin as Priest and Drek'thar as Shaman etc you name it.
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RogerX
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
New Zealand3180 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-01-13 21:35:27
January 13 2014 21:22 GMT
#266
Eh, rogue doesn't focus on stealth that much anyway. But comboing with maiev seems cool, maybe a fan of knives combo?

I still want a starcraft version of hearthstone.

Edit: Nvm lol
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flamewheel
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
FREEAGLELAND26781 Posts
January 14 2014 03:16 GMT
#267
PUT UR FAIF IN DA LITE
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arb
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Noobville17921 Posts
January 14 2014 05:48 GMT
#268
On January 14 2014 05:01 obesechicken13 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 14 2014 03:12 arb wrote:
On January 14 2014 01:52 Noocta wrote:
Maiev isn't a rogue tho.
She's an assassin, but don't fall into the rogue archetype wow has.

I don't disagree that Valeera isn't great tho. I hate that character. She' forced from the comics and is the fan service part of them.

There is very few Rogue heroes in the warcraft universe sadly.

she wasnt an assassin lol. putting maiev in rogues would the be dumbest thing i've ever heard. She was a Warden guarding Illidans prison in the barrow dens l0l.

Edwin Vancleef could have easily been the rogue, and Vanessa a card maybe.

On January 14 2014 02:49 Dreamer.T wrote:
Maiev was an assassin, but also a Warden. Rogue's are typically people for hire, where as Wardens are guardians that do their jobs for a higher cause.


She guarded Illidans prison for 10,000 years, hardly an Assassin. She has no place in a rogue deck, maybe a neutral hero with an illidan interaction but thats it

She has a blink, can stealth, and a mark to chase people down. She may not be a rogue but she's really good at hunting people down and putting them back in jail.

before you realize she catches illidan once, he breaks free and you dont kill him till bc.
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jrkirby
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States1510 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-01-14 07:16:44
January 14 2014 06:56 GMT
#269
So right now I'm thinking of a druid deck that aims to do milling.

For milling you need:

Coldlight Oracle
Naturalize

Then you want armor:

Bite
Claw

Taunt:

Sen'jin
Druid of the claw
Ironbark
Ancient of War
Cenarious

Sunfury Protector

Mark of Nature (?)
Mark of the Wild

Removal:

Swipe
Starfall
Savagery (?)

Healing:

Ancient of Lore (Don't use for cards)
Healing Touch (?)

And then maybe Bloodmage Thalanos for spell damage and maybe hungry crab to counter murloc decks.



This deck is designed to beat down those slow decks and be really reliable. All the removal and and taunt should keep you fairly healthy, and the naturalize means he draws 4+ more cards than you. This makes it so that he takes 10+ damage from fatigue before you. If he has card draw, much much more. The coldlight oracles make it so that the endgame comes 4 turns sooner.

This is especially good against really slow decks, because they often have 8 cards in their hand, and you can make them destroy a couple cards using coldlight oracle of naturalize. Also this could wreck hunters that use tracking, if that comes back into style with the new UTH buff.

Thoughts? Am I just crazy to use the detriment of naturalize to it's advantage?
flamewheel
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
FREEAGLELAND26781 Posts
January 14 2014 06:58 GMT
#270
Also a Lorewalker Cho to give him more cards!
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jrkirby
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States1510 Posts
January 14 2014 07:07 GMT
#271
On January 14 2014 15:58 flamewheel wrote:
Also a Lorewalker Cho to give him more cards!


That's a great idea to consider. However I'm not sure I like it because it gives his deck more total value. The point of this deck is to 1) Survive whatever he throws at you with armor, heals, and taunt 2) get more value from your cards with naturalize, ironbarks, cenarious, and druid of the claws, then 3) Last until fatigue kills him before it kills you.
Simberto
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Germany11507 Posts
January 14 2014 09:13 GMT
#272
You would probably want brewmasters in there to oracle him harder.

Why the Sunfury protectors when nearly all your cards have taunt anyways?

Also, i think you might see Claw and Bite not the way they actually are. Usually, they don't really give you armor, they are a 2/4 dmg removal. Whatever you are hitting probably has roughly as much attack as it has health, so you will usually have nothing of that armor left afterwards. Unless you plan on not killing something with that, which would make a card for 4 armor incredibly inefficient.

Basically, for that to work you need a plan that involves surviving until he runs out of cards and dies of fatigue, while still playing less efficient cards like the oracles. For that to work, you need just a very solid strong deck as the rest of your stuff. Having the enemy at 10 cards a lot of the time means they will always have good plays, so you will also need good plays, otherwise you won't survive the at least 15-20 turns it takes for them to burn out.
Vaelone
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Finland4400 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-01-14 09:32:35
January 14 2014 09:22 GMT
#273
On January 14 2014 05:03 Lysenko wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 14 2014 04:28 RagequitBM wrote:
Am I not adding people correctly? I've had zero people accept my friend request after a game. :/


Unfortunately, most people who friend-request after games, in my experience, do so to trash talk or whine about the outcome of a game. After a while, accepting more of them seems pretty pointless.


Yeah I've yet to accept a single friend request, I figured it would just be those angry kids that leave a long angry rant and then unfriend and block you.

On January 14 2014 01:40 obesechicken13 wrote:
Why is Valeera the Rogue? We have some amazing heros in the Warcraft universe as our hearthstone avatars and then Edwin van queef and Patient assasin and Valeera as some no names for the Rogue deck. Maiev is a stronger rogue/assasin imo but I come from a WC3 background.


I played Warcraft 3 and I played World of Warcraft and I don't even know who Valeera is, she is kind a underwhelming next to the other heroes, while you can add Anduin to the same category at least I know who he is. I haven't played WoW for a couple expansions so my information on the epicness of these heroes might just be out of date.
Alur
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Denmark3900 Posts
January 14 2014 09:25 GMT
#274
I just dreamt about drafting in arena, pyroblast was 10 mana cost with 9 overload, I still considered picking it.
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shabby
Profile Joined March 2010
Norway6402 Posts
January 14 2014 09:59 GMT
#275
Still kinda new to the game, just hit my 100 win achi. Best arena run was 6-3. I have one big problem that keeps biting me in the ass, and its that when I lose board control, I can't seem to take it back without having a big AoE (holy nova, twisting nether etc). Like say your opponent has 2-3 minions and you have 0. If you play a minion they kill it with spells (maybe with minions, but mostly its a good trade for them since they have options), and then you have 0 again. Are there any tricks or ideas? Does it help to wait a few turns and take damage to the face, and then bombard the board with 3 low minions?
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flamewheel
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
FREEAGLELAND26781 Posts
January 14 2014 11:34 GMT
#276
On January 14 2014 18:22 Vaelone wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 14 2014 05:03 Lysenko wrote:
On January 14 2014 04:28 RagequitBM wrote:
Am I not adding people correctly? I've had zero people accept my friend request after a game. :/


Unfortunately, most people who friend-request after games, in my experience, do so to trash talk or whine about the outcome of a game. After a while, accepting more of them seems pretty pointless.


Yeah I've yet to accept a single friend request, I figured it would just be those angry kids that leave a long angry rant and then unfriend and block you.

Show nested quote +
On January 14 2014 01:40 obesechicken13 wrote:
Why is Valeera the Rogue? We have some amazing heros in the Warcraft universe as our hearthstone avatars and then Edwin van queef and Patient assasin and Valeera as some no names for the Rogue deck. Maiev is a stronger rogue/assasin imo but I come from a WC3 background.


I played Warcraft 3 and I played World of Warcraft and I don't even know who Valeera is, she is kind a underwhelming next to the other heroes, while you can add Anduin to the same category at least I know who he is. I haven't played WoW for a couple expansions so my information on the epicness of these heroes might just be out of date.

Ehh Anduin at least has the "hero" part down. King (albeit a child one, albeit a wise child), son of a legendary king, and student of Velen. Valeera is... a friend of Varian that doesn't wear much clothing.
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Aevera
Profile Joined March 2012
United States105 Posts
January 14 2014 11:41 GMT
#277
On January 14 2014 20:34 flamewheel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 14 2014 18:22 Vaelone wrote:
On January 14 2014 05:03 Lysenko wrote:
On January 14 2014 04:28 RagequitBM wrote:
Am I not adding people correctly? I've had zero people accept my friend request after a game. :/


Unfortunately, most people who friend-request after games, in my experience, do so to trash talk or whine about the outcome of a game. After a while, accepting more of them seems pretty pointless.


Yeah I've yet to accept a single friend request, I figured it would just be those angry kids that leave a long angry rant and then unfriend and block you.

On January 14 2014 01:40 obesechicken13 wrote:
Why is Valeera the Rogue? We have some amazing heros in the Warcraft universe as our hearthstone avatars and then Edwin van queef and Patient assasin and Valeera as some no names for the Rogue deck. Maiev is a stronger rogue/assasin imo but I come from a WC3 background.


I played Warcraft 3 and I played World of Warcraft and I don't even know who Valeera is, she is kind a underwhelming next to the other heroes, while you can add Anduin to the same category at least I know who he is. I haven't played WoW for a couple expansions so my information on the epicness of these heroes might just be out of date.

Ehh Anduin at least has the "hero" part down. King (albeit a child one, albeit a wise child), son of a legendary king, and student of Velen. Valeera is... a friend of Varian that doesn't wear much clothing.


Sounds like a good enough reason to me :p

Maybe they thought it would be funny to have the rogue hero be someone no one knows about.
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Noocta
Profile Joined June 2010
France12578 Posts
January 14 2014 11:47 GMT
#278
On January 14 2014 20:41 Aevera wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 14 2014 20:34 flamewheel wrote:
On January 14 2014 18:22 Vaelone wrote:
On January 14 2014 05:03 Lysenko wrote:
On January 14 2014 04:28 RagequitBM wrote:
Am I not adding people correctly? I've had zero people accept my friend request after a game. :/


Unfortunately, most people who friend-request after games, in my experience, do so to trash talk or whine about the outcome of a game. After a while, accepting more of them seems pretty pointless.


Yeah I've yet to accept a single friend request, I figured it would just be those angry kids that leave a long angry rant and then unfriend and block you.

On January 14 2014 01:40 obesechicken13 wrote:
Why is Valeera the Rogue? We have some amazing heros in the Warcraft universe as our hearthstone avatars and then Edwin van queef and Patient assasin and Valeera as some no names for the Rogue deck. Maiev is a stronger rogue/assasin imo but I come from a WC3 background.


I played Warcraft 3 and I played World of Warcraft and I don't even know who Valeera is, she is kind a underwhelming next to the other heroes, while you can add Anduin to the same category at least I know who he is. I haven't played WoW for a couple expansions so my information on the epicness of these heroes might just be out of date.

Ehh Anduin at least has the "hero" part down. King (albeit a child one, albeit a wise child), son of a legendary king, and student of Velen. Valeera is... a friend of Varian that doesn't wear much clothing.


Sounds like a good enough reason to me :p

Maybe they thought it would be funny to have the rogue hero be someone no one knows about.


Well, the comics are canon for WoW, but 99% of people playing didn't read them.
Doesn't help the whole thing.
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Noocta
Profile Joined June 2010
France12578 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-01-14 12:21:14
January 14 2014 12:20 GMT
#279
Is there a counterplay to mana wyrm > coin > mirror image ?
I feel like it's the strongest turn 1 play by far...

I guess you need a 3 damage spell against it. ~~
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Cixah
Profile Joined July 2010
United States11285 Posts
January 14 2014 12:36 GMT
#280
On January 14 2014 21:20 Noocta wrote:
Is there a counterplay to mana wyrm > coin > mirror image ?
I feel like it's the strongest turn 1 play by far...

I guess you need a 3 damage spell against it. ~~


Frostbolt is pretty handy, but like you said 3 damage. If you have a Ironbeak Owl it's not the worst, but generally the play above is a pretty big beating and a half. If you do manage to defuse the situation though, you're still only down 2 cards!
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