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Caldeum1977 Posts
On January 13 2014 14:57 RogerX wrote:
Talking about class-specific legendarys. What your guys take on the best one? I know it can be situational, but surely some class specific legendary are better than other class specifics in their class deck.
Imo, the mage legendary, seriously that thing gets me scared.
I've got King Krush for my hunter deck and there have been a great many games where it acted as my finisher, seems to be a good one from my experience. Mage/Priest seem to use theirs the least just because they work more to solidify a lead or they just soak up CC. I've got VanCleef as well for rogues (oddly enough from the same pack as King Krush) but because there aren't too many other big creatures in a rogue deck to attract hex/sheep the other guy always seems to have something to counter him as soon as I play him, so he gives me a lot less benefit than even some other rares seem to.
The best has got to be Tirion Fordring though, he's just such a monster. If you don't have hard CC for him he's a large taunt with divine shield and add in the deathrattle for an Ashbringer that is more powerful than an arcanite reaper is just amazingly good.
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Cenarius has saved me many times with his taunts but sometimes I'd rather have ancient of war. That says a lot when a 9 drop legendary might be worse than a 7 drop non legendary. If he stays on the field you don't have a significant advantage whereas some of the other class specific legendaries give you huge advantages if they stay up for 1-2 turns.
I feel like Jaraxxus is very strong. He's immune to creature spells and really puts the enemy on a timer.
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On January 13 2014 15:36 jrkirby wrote:Show nested quote +On January 13 2014 14:57 RogerX wrote:
Talking about class-specific legendarys. What your guys take on the best one? I know it can be situational, but surely some class specific legendary are better than other class specifics in their class deck.
Imo, the mage legendary, seriously that thing gets me scared. Almost definitely Tirion Fordring. A 6/6 with divine shield for 8 is a great play, and then his death-rattle puts him over the top. Oh and he's also got taunt, to keep the opponent from finishing you if you're low. All the others except for al'akir are spectacular, usually, but tirion is a head and shoulders above the rest. That isn't to say al'akir is a terrible card, but, he's not at the same level as other legendaries. Archmage antonidas is good, but most mage decks rarely have lots of minions, so your opponent will often have removal leftover for him, and his high cost means you're not likely to play a spell on the turn you play him. Personally, I'd love to see him in some freeze deck, that's something I haven't seen before. Archmage + frost nova or Ice block turn 10 would be pretty sick.
Al'akir is just depressing lol, it doesn't even have synergy with shaman. Seriously, even his card description is that he is the weakest of the 4 elements or some shit.
I wonder if the Jaraxxus one shot death is intentional though, even if no one gets sacrificial pact.
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Since the ladder reset I have to say it is a lot harder to gain ranks, 50% of my encounters are decks filled with multiple legendaries and all the right cards, making it a lot harder to win with my slightly imperfect decks. I still enjoy the game though.
For example, I was pleasantly surprised by a Deathwing from a murlock mage playing rogue the other day. Unfortunately my assassinates were played already xD
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On January 13 2014 15:46 obesechicken13 wrote:
Cenarius has saved me many times with his taunts but sometimes I'd rather have ancient of war. That says a lot when a 9 drop legendary might be worse than a 7 drop non legendary. If he stays on the field you don't have a significant advantage whereas some of the other class specific legendaries give you huge advantages if they stay up for 1-2 turns.
I feel like Jaraxxus is very strong. He's immune to creature spells and really puts the enemy on a timer.
Ancient of War's issue is that you'll probably lose the game if it gets Black Knighted, since you spent a whole turn for pretty much nothing. It's just an enormous swing.
Cenarius' is, IMO, the top legendary behind Tirion because of how versatile it is. He can be used either defensively or aggressively. Being able to give +2/+2 on already chunky units like harvest golem, keeper of groves, ancients of lore, etc. or even novice engineers can really swing a game.
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On January 13 2014 17:13 RogerX wrote:Show nested quote +On January 13 2014 15:36 jrkirby wrote:On January 13 2014 14:57 RogerX wrote:
Talking about class-specific legendarys. What your guys take on the best one? I know it can be situational, but surely some class specific legendary are better than other class specifics in their class deck.
Imo, the mage legendary, seriously that thing gets me scared. Almost definitely Tirion Fordring. A 6/6 with divine shield for 8 is a great play, and then his death-rattle puts him over the top. Oh and he's also got taunt, to keep the opponent from finishing you if you're low. All the others except for al'akir are spectacular, usually, but tirion is a head and shoulders above the rest. That isn't to say al'akir is a terrible card, but, he's not at the same level as other legendaries. Archmage antonidas is good, but most mage decks rarely have lots of minions, so your opponent will often have removal leftover for him, and his high cost means you're not likely to play a spell on the turn you play him. Personally, I'd love to see him in some freeze deck, that's something I haven't seen before. Archmage + frost nova or Ice block turn 10 would be pretty sick. Al'akir is just depressing lol, it doesn't even have synergy with shaman. Seriously, even his card description is that he is the weakest of the 4 elements or some shit. I wonder if the Jaraxxus one shot death is intentional though, even if no one gets sacrificial pact.
I dissagree with Al'akir. Him together with a flametoung totem or rockbiter buffs him immensly. He can benefit so much from shaman if played correctly. I will agree that he isn't as good as rag, but he have his place.
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Netherlands45349 Posts
The thing about that is that you need either stuff on the board or combo him with an other card in order for him to do work while he costs a whopping 8 mana.
This is not the case for other legendaries.
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On January 13 2014 18:04 Kipsate wrote:
The thing about that is that you need either stuff on the board or combo him with an other card in order for him to do work while he costs a whopping 8 mana.
This is not the case for other legendaries.
Well I guess that depends on how you look at it. Antionidas is worse if you don't get to cast a spell. That is pretty much the same as al'akir, Same for vancleef, though that often isn't a problem. But as i said, it isn't the best legendary by any means, but to say that it doesn't have any synergy is wrong.
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my bad eitherway though, I wish it was better, maybe put a overload on it somehow so it combos with other shaman cards.
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On January 13 2014 18:04 Kipsate wrote:
The thing about that is that you need either stuff on the board or combo him with an other card in order for him to do work while he costs a whopping 8 mana.
This is not the case for other legendaries.
I think al'akir is underrated and ppl that bash him have never used him. He is just very versatile, he is a great card when you are behind and an even better card if you are ahead. You don't have to combo him to make him useful, it is just a nice bonus that you can.
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Why is Valeera the Rogue? We have some amazing heros in the Warcraft universe as our hearthstone avatars and then Edwin van queef and Patient assasin and Valeera as some no names for the Rogue deck. Maiev is a stronger rogue/assasin imo but I come from a WC3 background.
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Maiev isn't a rogue tho.
She's an assassin, but don't fall into the rogue archetype wow has.
I don't disagree that Valeera isn't great tho. I hate that character. She' forced from the comics and is the fan service part of them.
There is very few Rogue heroes in the warcraft universe sadly.
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Maiev was an assassin, but also a Warden. Rogue's are typically people for hire, where as Wardens are guardians that do their jobs for a higher cause.
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shoulda been a Tauren rogue
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Tirion gives the most satisfying feeling when silenced or hard removed with hex/polymorph. So much value lol!
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and they guy who played him isn't even mad because PUT YOUR FAITH IN THE LIGHT
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On January 14 2014 01:52 Noocta wrote:
Maiev isn't a rogue tho.
She's an assassin, but don't fall into the rogue archetype wow has.
I don't disagree that Valeera isn't great tho. I hate that character. She' forced from the comics and is the fan service part of them.
There is very few Rogue heroes in the warcraft universe sadly.
she wasnt an assassin lol. putting maiev in rogues would the be dumbest thing i've ever heard. She was a Warden guarding Illidans prison in the barrow dens l0l.
Edwin Vancleef could have easily been the rogue, and Vanessa a card maybe.
On January 14 2014 02:49 Dreamer.T wrote:
Maiev was an assassin, but also a Warden. Rogue's are typically people for hire, where as Wardens are guardians that do their jobs for a higher cause.
She guarded Illidans prison for 10,000 years, hardly an Assassin. She has no place in a rogue deck, maybe a neutral hero with an illidan interaction but thats it
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Ah yeah.
I forget often about Maiev lore because I remember her DotA incarnation more than anything. -_-
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Caldeum1977 Posts
They said they had considered VanCleef as the rogue hero but most of the heroes are male so they wanted another female character.
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Papua New Guinea1059 Posts
Are arena card packs better or I'm just being lucky?
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