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On August 19 2013 05:51 Enox wrote:Show nested quote +On August 18 2013 23:28 paralleluniverse wrote:On August 18 2013 23:19 Usagi wrote:
Make it 10 gold per win so it look reasonable to be able to grind 1 arena a day Yes, sure they should increase the amount of gold per win. But the core problem is that charging for a game mode on a per usage basis is completely outrageous. you blow this way out of proportion. arena is something special and if you are good at it, it pays for itself, since you get enough gold as reward to enter it again. if you arent good (or unlucky), you have to wait a few days to enter it again, or spend 2 bucks on it, if you dont want to wait. i dont see what the big deal is. its not like theres nothing else to do. just play normal/ranked mode and do quests till you have enough gold for arena again
It doesn't pay for itself you're guaranteed a pack of cards but that's it Gold and Dust i random it just gets larger when you win more, so it doesn't 100% that you can keep playing arena all the time if you win 9 times every time.
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its gives you 100% enough gold from 7 wins on, trust me. you will always have more gold that dust once you are at 6 wins
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Trump just did 7-3, 8-3, 8-3, 9-2 and has enough to pay for 2 arena entry so you definitely can go infinite rewards are not random. The first 3-5 games are against players that just do mistakes over and over again, look at most streamers and compare with him and you'll see what I mean if you have a bit of experience in TCG/CCG.
http://www.twitch.tv/trumpsc
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It's possible I missed it but is there a replay feature? It would be nice to be able to step-by-step through games you've played.
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It's simple.
Is there a matchmaking system ? If yes, you are going for a 50% except if you are either at the top/bottom of the food chain, any other "you can go to infinite" if you have a good winratio is as pointless as saying that you can win the lottery to have infinite lolipops.
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On August 19 2013 05:51 Enox wrote:Show nested quote +On August 18 2013 23:28 paralleluniverse wrote:On August 18 2013 23:19 Usagi wrote:
Make it 10 gold per win so it look reasonable to be able to grind 1 arena a day Yes, sure they should increase the amount of gold per win. But the core problem is that charging for a game mode on a per usage basis is completely outrageous. you blow this way out of proportion. arena is something special and if you are good at it, it pays for itself, since you get enough gold as reward to enter it again. if you arent good (or unlucky), you have to wait a few days to enter it again, or spend 2 bucks on it, if you dont want to wait. i dont see what the big deal is. its not like theres nothing else to do. just play normal/ranked mode and do quests till you have enough gold for arena again
Going to agree with this dude.
It sounds like a fun side thing with change of bonus loots. It's fine if you can only do it every few days (or just drop $3). It's not like they are making you pay to enter Ranked Games or something. Less entitlement please.
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On August 19 2013 09:36 Godwrath wrote:
It's simple.
Is there a matchmaking system ? If yes, you are going for a 50% except if you are either at the top/bottom of the food chain, any other "you can go to infinite" if you have a good winratio is as pointless as saying that you can win the lottery to have infinite lolipops.
This exactly. There's going to be an MMR system that will probably follow the SC2 model. People haven't realized this yet because there are so few people playing in the beta at the moment. As things stand today, in the long run the odds are stacked against the players, so unless you are in the Hearthstone equivalent of GM league (top 2%) people will end up paying gold or cash to play arena.
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We are talking Arena mode here you play against players that have similar winrate to your deck from arena draft, nothing to do with your "constructed" deck MMR that will be ranked and have leagues and rewards and such.
if you haven't played a game yet with the deck you'll play against people with similar deck, just look at arena game with 2-2 decks and games with 7-1 record decks and you will see it.
To answer the question above, no there is no permanent MMR/ranking in arena mode.
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Match making systems take awhile for playes to establish where they belong, atleast 100 games for it to be considered very accurate people seem to forget statistics. Then they also need a large enough pool of players so it doesn't have to mismatch you just so you don't wait 30 mins for a match.
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On August 19 2013 09:33 Iblis wrote:Trump just did 7-3, 8-3, 8-3, 9-2 and has enough to pay for 2 arena entry so you definitely can go infinite rewards are not random. The first 3-5 games are against players that just do mistakes over and over again, look at most streamers and compare with him and you'll see what I mean if you have a bit of experience in TCG/CCG. http://www.twitch.tv/trumpsc
Thanks for the link. Been watching and he's definitely above the other streamers I've watched. Some decent entertainment and a bit of chatting as well.
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On August 19 2013 10:52 GogoKodo wrote:Show nested quote +On August 19 2013 09:33 Iblis wrote:Trump just did 7-3, 8-3, 8-3, 9-2 and has enough to pay for 2 arena entry so you definitely can go infinite rewards are not random. The first 3-5 games are against players that just do mistakes over and over again, look at most streamers and compare with him and you'll see what I mean if you have a bit of experience in TCG/CCG. http://www.twitch.tv/trumpsc Thanks for the link. Been watching and he's definitely above the other streamers I've watched. Some decent entertainment and a bit of chatting as well. Yeah, I watched him during his 9-2 run and it was pretty good. I believe HotBid was one of the 9 victims. Even though he did really well, it seems like a large amount of that is due to the newness of the beta and the overall skill level being very low. The first few days of SC2 beta I could win 10 straight games just 1base 2port banshee repeatedly... doesn't say much. I expect the skill will increase in time and make getting to late arena wins tougher than now.
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Yeah i understood you, even though the MMR resets per deck, it doesn't mean you will be facing newbs after 1-2 wins like most people is doing right now, so the point still stands, while there are people who will be able to, there will be people who are not. People was talking about trump, i can talk about DJwheat failing at it, should i just say that and move on like i win some kind of argument or just use standard logic.
To get winners, you need losers.
I just dislike games that doesn't allow you to use the different game modes. Imagine if riot charged you to be able to play 3vs3 instead of 5vs5. Or bots. Or normal games. Or whatever. It's just dumb shit.
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You could just discard your draft and make a new one repeatedly until you were fully satisfied if there was no barrier to entry.
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You do not always play against a player with a similar record in arena i've played against the same guy 3 times in a row there are some clear discrepancies for finding an opponent in less then 30 seconds. Which i don't think is good it's not a fast paced video game it's a card game i think it should wait a little longer before broadening search parameters.
I also just played against a streamer trump, I checked after i beat him(would have checked before but i recognized the name too late to stream look haha) he had 5 wins i was on 2 wins(3 after the win). Arena currently doesn't follow such rules on like skilled opponents.
Also mana addict in a combo rouge deck gets shit silly quickly did like 12 dmg with it on turn 4
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It's hard to determine how well any matchmaking works during a very limited closed beta.
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On August 19 2013 14:40 TomatoShark wrote:
is warrior any good?
I think I've only seen one person play against Warrior. It did fairly well in that match but overall it doesn't seem to be a popular pick. Not very much removal and the hero ability, +2 armor, doesn't seem as impactful or versatile as other hero abilities. I took a look at a deck builder to see what kind of warrior/neutral cards might make a good deck. There's some interesting stuff but it seems like you would need a real complete decklist (gotta get a lot of packs or disenchant to get the cards you need) to make good use of the synergies in the minions/spells.
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On August 19 2013 12:58 BliptiX wrote:
You could just discard your draft and make a new one repeatedly until you were fully satisfied if there was no barrier to entry.
Not arguing that there shouldn't be a barrier to entry, that part is fine.
What seems like it could be a problem is how long it takes for someone to buy entry into an arena match without paying real money.
There's back and forth discussion right now of how Arena can essentially pay for itself but that's only possible if players win a lot, which of course obviously requires just as many players to lose a lot thus having to grind for entry back in.
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mm get 100g if you get all the basic sets, ie every character to lvl 10 i was wondering what i would get if i grind that out
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EPT
