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Archerofaiur
United States4101 Posts
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gchan
United States654 Posts
On December 22 2009 08:49 wadadde wrote:  okI was just pressing it because in the end the differing views don't seem to translate into anything substantive. I wish I could vote for measures/policies instead of parties. Seems more democratic.. Actually, at the state/county/city level, major reforms are voted on as propositions. That's why I'm for more state power and less federal power (and less government power overall). | ||
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Mindcrime
United States6899 Posts
On December 25 2009 05:27 gchan wrote: Actually, at the state/county/city level, major reforms are voted on as propositions. That's not the case in every state. Just under half of all states have no initiative or referenda system at all. That's why I'm for more state power and less federal power (and less government power overall). I don't have a problem with the issues that I see at the local level. They are typically things that are worthy of being voted on. However, the state issues that I see on the ballot every election season are invariably dumb as hell, and some of them always get passed. In the spring, my state voted to enshrine four, and only four, casinos into the state constitution and created four distinct regional monopolies. Along with that, the people of my state created an entirely new and unnecessary bureaucratic system that was corrupt by design as it was controlled by the very small groups it was given power to 'guide'. | ||
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ghostWriter
United States3302 Posts
On December 22 2009 11:06 TanGeng wrote: I would certainly give a thumbs us for direct democracy (more democracy). It's much more fair and equitable than the quid pro quo that happens in Congress. As for the two parties, there isn't much of a difference in governing philosophy. They both use power and rhetoric to give their favoured campaign contributors the biggest share of the government money. The only difference is which segment of the population gets it. Neither party stands for fairness or equality before the law, but sure try to talk it. Totally agreed. They always try to differentiate themselves from the other candidates, but in essence, all politicians are basically the same. Take a look at Obama, his administration continues where the Bush administration left off. He even refuses to make public the crimes of the Bush administration. I can't believe people are so complacent, forgetting about the bailout and torture already. However, instead of giving money to the top 2% in the form of tax breaks, he gives it to them in the form of bailouts. There are other small differences, but basically, the government is run by a system of old boys that support one another. Some smaller official might take the fall as a scapegoat for some mistake, but the main players are always the same and at the top. The Republican party has gone off the edge, making ridiculous claims about how Obamacare will kill your grandma or whatever. The scary thing is that they actually believe what they say and they spout it at their constituents, who take in every word said by Fox News to be the absolute truth of Jesus or something. The way the Senate mutilated the health care bill just to get a super majority of 60 instead of just going with a simple majority was ridiculous. Many of the items that made the bill worth passing, like the public option, have been removed or watered down so much that the bill merely builds on the system we already have and makes changes that don't fit the spirit of the bill. They should just ignore the symbolic gesture of passing a health care bill and force through a bill that would bring about real, necessary change. Also, the part about making health care mandatory and punishable by fines is totally unfair. | ||
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Archerofaiur
United States4101 Posts
Poll: Has Obama killed your grandma yet? (Vote): Yes (Vote): Not yet | ||
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Husky
United States3362 Posts
On December 25 2009 05:52 Archerofaiur wrote: Hopefully this can serve as the start of the TEAmliquid PARTY movement. Alright, that was pretty witty. Well played. | ||
TanGeng
Sanya12364 Posts
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Mystlord
United States10264 Posts
On December 25 2009 05:52 Archerofaiur wrote: Now that the bill passed we should keep a running tally of the damage. Hopefully this can serve as the start of the TEAmliquid PARTY movement. Ok. I hope you're joking, but even if you aren't, that was pretty good. | ||
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XoXiDe
United States620 Posts
http://www.pbs.org/newshour/updates/health/july-dec09/billcomparison_12-21.html | ||
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{CC}StealthBlue
United States41117 Posts
http://publicpolicypolling.blogspot.com/2010/01/lieberman-tanks.html Want to know how far Joe Lieberman has fallen in the wake of the health care vote last month? Barack Obama's approval rating with Connecticut Republicans is higher than Lieberman's with the state's Democrats. 81% of Democrats now disapprove of Lieberman's job performance with only 14% approving, and he's not real popular with Republicans who disapprove of him by a 48/39 margin or with independents who do so by a 61/32 spread either. It all adds up to a 25% approval rating with 67% of his constituents giving him bad marks. Lieberman managed to antagonize both sides with his actions during the health care debate. Among voters who support the health care bill 87% disapprove of how Lieberman handled it with only 10% supporting it. But by voting for the final product after getting it watered down he also managed to earn the unhappiness of constituents opposed to the bill, 52% of whom say they disapprove of what Lieberman did to 33% in support. Overall just 19% of voters in the state say they like what Lieberman did on the issue with 68% opposed. Also Obama tried to argue for a Excise Tax. | ||
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{CC}StealthBlue
United States41117 Posts
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Undisputed-
United States379 Posts
On February 26 2010 02:14 {CC}StealthBlue wrote: So is anyone watching the Health Summit, pretty much every News channel is covering it live. Hopefully they can start over and do it the right way this time. Although seems like most Americans want congress to drop healthcare and focus on the economy atm. http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/current_events/healthcare/ - 61 percent of voters believe Congress should drop health care and focus on jobs and the economy. | ||
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TanGeng
Sanya12364 Posts
Actually I hope it passes and gets nullified by most of the states. | ||
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Undisputed-
United States379 Posts
On February 26 2010 05:35 TanGeng wrote: Actually I hope it passes and gets nullified by most of the states. That would be interesting lol. My state would not be included in one of those though because it's a fucking mess (New York). | ||
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Undisputed-
United States379 Posts
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SnK-Arcbound
United States4423 Posts
http://upload.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=385x437777 Here's the first clip that was on google. | ||
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Romantic
United States1844 Posts
Not to be a negative nancy here, but I couldn't care less about the average voter's opinion. The average voter is a victim of propaganda and probably also thinks evolution says we came from monkeys, shaving hair makes it grow back faster, aspirin is an excuse to weigh 300 pounds and the government is responsible for 9\11. ya'll stupid, be what i'm sayin' | ||
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Grumbels
Netherlands7032 Posts
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0neder
United States3733 Posts
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Un Gato
United States123 Posts
The proposed plan would *still* leave us with the most, or nearly the most, conservative healthcare system in the first world. Most peer countries have actual universal healthcare. Those that don't already have universal insurance. We're the only one currently without a universal anything. The idea that this bill is anything but strikingly conservative can only seem to make sense when the left party is at best centrist and the right party horrifyingly reactionary. | ||
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