EPTAT&T vs 4chan - Page 5
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Motiva
United States1774 Posts
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chobopeon
United States7342 Posts
they don't do 120 billion dollars of tech related business, for one. seriously. ill reiterate - at&t is in the wrong. but they have nothing to worry about if 4chan takes the tech attack route. lets hope 4chan doesnt - all theyd do is lose sympathy. | ||
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bigsack
Korea (North)220 Posts
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GHOSTCLAW
United States17042 Posts
http://la.metblogs.com/2009/07/26/is-att-blocking-4chan-in-socal/ http://www.examiner.com/x-4865-Christian-Worldview-Examiner~y2009m7d26-ATT-blocking-img4chanorg--when-freedoms-are-abused http://mashable.com/2009/07/26/report-att-blocking-4chan/ http://www.phonenews.com/around-the-network-att-blocks-4chan-and-deals-deals-deals-8518/ some good further reading...I think? shows that the affected area is socal, at least. | ||
JWD
United States12607 Posts
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GHOSTCLAW
United States17042 Posts
http://search.twitter.com/search?q=4chan | ||
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Loser777
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GHOSTCLAW
United States17042 Posts
I don't think whoever decided this fully knows what kind of implications this is going to have. | ||
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GHOSTCLAW
United States17042 Posts
http://www.encyclopediadramatica.com/AT&T_Blocks_4chan http://www.reddit.com/r/reddit.com/comments/94pf2/att_is_now_blocking_all_access_to_img4chanorg/ http://digg.com/tech_news/AT_T_blocks_4chan/ http://status.4chan.org/ | ||
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Integra
Sweden5626 Posts
On July 27 2009 14:46 travis wrote: Ok look, I am not going to argue it's possible they did it because of DDos attacks. What I am saying is that even if they did, it was an unprecedent and ridiculous move - and it's still a breach of net neutrality. And those attacks have been going on for weeks. You mean to say they care enough to block the entire domain to all AT&T users, but can't figure out the source of attacks over a period of WEEKS? That's ridiculous! It's just information going over pipes. AT&T holds all the cards, they should be able to find the source of the attacks in no time. As I said before, I am not super tech savvy... but I am not clueless either. I have a decent idea of how the internet works, I did used to be into "hacking" and shit when I was a kid. Don't wanna get in an argument over stupid shit, just saying I am not entirely clueless here. just listen to your own arguments.... You claim that you understand internet technology based on that you hacked when you were a kid. You claim that AT&T should be able to the source of the attacks in no time while in the same statement you also say that the attacks have been going on for weeks. Ánd btw, excellent job in simplying the whole internet infrastructure as " It's just information going over pipes". | ||
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brian
United States9643 Posts
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Orlandu
China2450 Posts
This is a breach of security. AT&T is taking measures to stop that. They have to do what they're doing in order to stop the attacks, because simply blocking the compromised computers that are launching the attacks takes time and manpower. It can't be done with a magical snap of the fingers, for several reasons. It takes time to figure out who the attackers are and to shut them down. Even worse, most of the attacks are coming from computers whose owners aren't even aware that their computer has been hacked into and is being used to launch an attack (that's generally the case in a DDoS attack). You have to deal with the situation very carefully. None of you would be very happy with your internet suddenly being shut off for something that you didn't even do. But that's exactly what many people are essentially suggesting. To me, that's a lot worse than simply blocking certain areas of a website temporarily in order to stop an attack. It's shitty that AT&T had to resort to something like this for sure, and it's an even bigger shame that people don't understand what's going on and are overreacting about it. But this really isn't about censorship or anything like that, and this most likely was the most effective solution given the circumstances. If AT&T keeps parts or all of 4chan blocked for an extended period of time, then those arguments might be valid. In that case, go all out and bitch about censorship and the likes. But until then, that's not what this situation is about at all. | ||
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koOl
Canada254 Posts
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GHOSTCLAW
United States17042 Posts
Affected cities reported: + Show Spoiler + * Los Angeles and Surrounding Areas, CA * St. Louis, MO * SF Bay Area, CA * Detroit, MI * Berkeley, CA * San Francisco, CA * Tyler, TX * Houston, TX * Dallas, TX * Austin, TX * San Antonio, TX * Oklahoma City, OK * Tulsa and Metro area, Oklahoma * All former Ohio Bell areas (Cleveland, Dayton, Akron, Toledo) * Chicago, IL * Kendallville, IN * Indianapolis, IN * Several cities in CT * Sacramento, CA * Milwaukee, WI * Sheboygan, WI | ||
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GHOSTCLAW
United States17042 Posts
On July 27 2009 15:07 koOl wrote: hmm..maybe at&t already gave up? it says on that encyclopedia dramatica article that people are reporting being unblocked couple of twitter reports here and there that basically say the same thing as well. | ||
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Xenixx
United States538 Posts
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Deleted User 3420
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On July 27 2009 14:58 Integra wrote: just listen to your own arguments.... You claim that you understand internet technology based on that you hacked when you were a kid. You claim that AT&T should be able to the source of the attacks in no time while in the same statement you also say that the attacks have been going on for weeks. Ánd btw, excellent job in simplying the whole internet infrastructure as " It's just information going over pipes". you like that? ty I thought it put it simply yes, I am saying that they should be able to deal with it much better than they are. and certainly without blocking the entire domain and saying nothing about it. btw reports seem to be that it's either a virus that's causing ddos attacks or just blocking the site for no reason. I have read a lot of them now. And if it's because of some drastically spreading virus then I kind of am wrong... but 4chan said nothing about facing some sort of extreme ddos attacks. So how drastic could it have been? | ||
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brian
United States9643 Posts
man i dont want it to be over yet. | ||
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Orlandu
China2450 Posts
On July 27 2009 15:07 koOl wrote: hmm..maybe at&t already gave up? it says on that encyclopedia dramatica article that people are reporting being unblocked It's not that AT&T is "giving up." It's that as they gain control of the attacks and deal with the situation, they're able to slowly return to normal operations, which means lifting whatever blocks were set in place. This just further shows that this wasn't about censorship or net neutrality at all. | ||
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brian
United States9643 Posts
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