EPTis going to get epic.
AT&T vs 4chan - Page 6
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Husky
United States3362 Posts
is going to get epic. | ||
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Retsukage
United States1002 Posts
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Orlandu
China2450 Posts
On July 27 2009 15:12 Gene wrote: orlandu i think we all understand mostly that its not a personal thing, but that does not change the consequences of their actions, and /b/ is not the kind of thing you want to take away from their userbase. man i dont want it to be over yet. I agree that it's an unfortunate situation, but just because 4chan is full of people who think that they're something special doesn't mean that the rest of AT&T's users and AT&T itself should have to suffer. AT&T is/was doing what they're supposed to do. They shouldn't have to compromise just because some people don't understand what's going on (such as those overreacting at 4chan). I mean, yeah, I definitely think that some of the people at 4chan are capable of doing some damage, no argument there. But they're not justified in that, and it's an unfortunate side effect of the circumstances. EDIT: Also, I wouldn't be so sure that "we all understand mostly that its not a personal thing." Seems like a lot of people in this thread and elsewhere think it's about something else. | ||
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Deleted User 3420
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On July 27 2009 15:12 Gene wrote: and travis 4chan just got back online from days of being down from DDoS attacks. the last update saying that was july 15th 12 days ago. how does that warrant blocking the site now. | ||
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vx70GTOJudgexv
United States3161 Posts
On July 27 2009 15:07 Orlandu wrote: None of you would be very happy with your internet suddenly being shut off for something that you didn't even do. But that's exactly what many people are essentially suggesting. To me, that's a lot worse than simply blocking certain areas of a website temporarily in order to stop an attack. Well if they stopped clicking the fake porn ads, they wouldn't have to worry about such cases, right? :p Really though, whether it's legitimate or not, AT&T is in for a shitstorm anyways. 4chan has some ridiculous shit planned. | ||
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Aegraen
United States1225 Posts
Naive people are Naive. Use the legal system if this perpetuates please. Cue the Interstate Commerce Clause if they actually try and take down AT&T lol. | ||
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Integra
Sweden5626 Posts
On July 27 2009 15:12 Gene wrote: and travis 4chan just got back online from days of being down from DDoS attacks. And the attack hasn't stopped, its still ongoing. | ||
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brian
United States9643 Posts
But to say its right, isn't necessarily correct. The average 4chan user pays just as much for their ISP to bring them to 4chan as those who do not. Quite silly to deny them that privilege that they pay for, just as much as any other AT&T customer. | ||
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mahnini
United States6862 Posts
On July 27 2009 15:16 Aegraen wrote: I find it hilarious people think 4chan can actually scratch AT&T if they decided to take the tech route. If it was so simple for people to dent a major Communications Mega-Corp which gets infrastructure subsidies from the Government there would be epic chaos ensuing from all the hackers having fun. Naive people are Naive. Use the legal system if this perpetuates please. Cue the Interstate Commerce Clause if they actually try and take down AT&T lol. lol | ||
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brian
United States9643 Posts
Naive people are naive. | ||
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Dazed.
Canada3301 Posts
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Aegraen
United States1225 Posts
On July 27 2009 15:18 Gene wrote: Aegrean, like i said before. Should AT&T unfortunately designate someone to make a statement about this publicly, /b/ will know where he or she lives immediately. They will know their phone number. It wouldn't be the greatest day of their life. Naive people are naive. This is the easiest way for the FBI to descend rapidly on everyone who does this and trust me, they can track down whoever will be doing this. I also like how you threaten civil disobedience because you can't access 4chan. USE THE FUCKING LEGAL SYSTEM DON'T BECOME CRIMINALS. Fuck. | ||
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d3_crescentia
United States4054 Posts
On July 27 2009 15:07 Orlandu wrote: I'm amazed at how many people here really have no idea what's going on even after it's been explained several times. This isn't about net neutrality, or censorship, or AT&T picking a fight with 4chan. This isn't something that you should be hyping up as some sort of epic battle between AT&T against 4chan. That's not what it is, at all. At least not on AT&T's side of things. This is a breach of security. AT&T is taking measures to stop that. They have to do what they're doing in order to stop the attacks, because simply blocking the compromised computers that are launching the attacks takes time and manpower. It can't be done with a magical snap of the fingers, for several reasons. It takes time to figure out who the attackers are and to shut them down. Even worse, most of the attacks are coming from computers whose owners aren't even aware that their computer has been hacked into and is being used to launch an attack (that's generally the case in a DDoS attack). You have to deal with the situation very carefully. None of you would be very happy with your internet suddenly being shut off for something that you didn't even do. But that's exactly what many people are essentially suggesting. To me, that's a lot worse than simply blocking certain areas of a website temporarily in order to stop an attack. It's shitty that AT&T had to resort to something like this for sure, and it's an even bigger shame that people don't understand what's going on and are overreacting about it. But this really isn't about censorship or anything like that, and this most likely was the most effective solution given the circumstances. If AT&T keeps parts or all of 4chan blocked for an extended period of time, then those arguments might be valid. In that case, go all out and bitch about censorship and the likes. But until then, that's not what this situation is about at all. Whether or not this is the case, I doubt people will care all that much about 'getting it right.' Anything that looks like it could even potentially be something serious will be so grossly bent out of proportion that in the end that it won't really even matter why they did what they did. If this had happened to any other semi-popular site I'm sure some political blog somewhere would've picked up on it from a net-neutrality angle as well. No, the real issue here is that it's 4chan, and that makes things infinitely worse. I don't know what's going to come out at the other end of this shitstorm, but if AT&T doesn't act fast there are good chances that it's not going to be pleasant. | ||
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mahnini
United States6862 Posts
On July 27 2009 15:20 Aegraen wrote: This is the easiest way for the FBI to descend rapidly on everyone who does this and trust me, they can track down whoever will be doing this. I also like how you threaten civil disobedience because you can't access 4chan. USE THE FUCKING LEGAL SYSTEM DON'T BECOME CRIMINALS. Fuck. lol u a dumbofoshumbo. i dont know if i want to get involved in this so ill just lob passive aggressive replies from the sidelines until im satisfied. | ||
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brian
United States9643 Posts
a little thought before hitting the post button | ||
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Aegraen
United States1225 Posts
On July 27 2009 15:21 mahnini wrote: lol u a dumbofoshumbo. i dont know if i want to get involved in this so ill just lob passive aggressive replies from the sidelines until im satisfied. Speak English. I'll just refer to everyone who agrees with the former sentiment from now on as a Criminal. | ||
Last Romantic
United States20667 Posts
The wiser /b/tards realize this, and will seek legal routes to combat AT&T if at all. | ||
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Integra
Sweden5626 Posts
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brian
United States9643 Posts
On July 27 2009 15:23 Aegraen wrote: Speak English. I'll just refer to everyone who agrees with the former sentiment from now on as a Criminal. So you're trying to say people that dont speak english are criminals? | ||
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Aegraen
United States1225 Posts
On July 27 2009 15:22 Gene wrote: lol i didnt threaten anything. and lol the fbi. if any of that qualified as civil disobedience(not that it does) bringing up the FBI is lol. a little thought before hitting the post button Thousands of people calling your house 24/7 because of the action of your employer. Yes, that is grounds for the FBI to intervene. Trust me, the FBI gets involved in cases like this all the time (Remember the death threats to the employees of Corporations this last winter/fall). You can't disturb someone because you don't like what they or their employeer did. Advocating criminal action reminds me of a certain criminal enterprise (ACORN). You want to know why the FBI would get involved and not local authorities? Jurisdiction. My family has been in the Law Enforcement field for nigh 100 years. Growing up with my Parents in the Military and my Grandparents Chief of Police and DoD Investigators I know what I am talking about. | ||
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