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On July 10 2009 01:30 zulu_nation8 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 10 2009 01:17 MK wrote:i think people saying things like that are what drive omnimo and the rest crazy. it's a fucking ridiculous statement. sure you can read the news but merely reading a limited stream of information doesn't make you understand the situation better than someone living in the area. If you are outside and in a freespeech country, you can have both inside and outside information, you can freespeech so you can debate and construct your vision and reflexion from other people's opinions. Plus, you are outside, you are more likely to think with the head and not think with the heart. It's easier to be abstractive when it's not your country. I'm ok if you tell me : you can't feel what it is if you are not inside but don't tell me you can't understand. You can't understand because you are not aware of the historical and cultural context these types of conflicts are embedded in. In terms of information you don't have "inside" information unless you speak Chinese.
Oh, damn, I actually speak Chinese. I can read it too. Wow ! And I'm not in china ! How comes ?
Well, you know, there is a thing called School and also a thing called education.
Com'on, stop being so stubborn. If what you say is true, many major Historians, Economists and other Scientists are just useless and write crap. So hope you are wrong.
And yeah, definitely, I agree with KissBlade. The point is how deep are people willing to search even when they can have all the information.
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On July 10 2009 02:01 Boblion wrote:Show nested quote +On July 10 2009 01:43 zulu_nation8 wrote:On July 10 2009 01:15 Boblion wrote:On July 10 2009 01:00 reincremate wrote:On July 10 2009 00:46 Alizee- wrote:On July 09 2009 23:57 Velr wrote:
From an outside view looking in this tread i get this image of china:
It's ok to slaughter down riots and non chinese people are not able tell if this is bad (or not) because it all has something to do with Chinese culture...
It's obviously also ok that the goverment lies to it's people because it has something to do with Chinese culture...
Alltogether i come to the conclusion:
Chinese culture is a sad excuse for goverment crimes and various other stuff that happens in China. ***BEST*** post in this thread by MILES. gg. No one said it was okay to "slaughter down riots" or what have you. Also, no one was using "Chinese culture" as a justification for government oppression or censorship. Posters in China were just pointing out that you can't fully trust both foreign and Chinese media because they are biased, and that if your only source of knowledge on the subject is the western media, then your opinions aren't as valid as people who have lived in China and who also have access to the same foreign news sources as well as first-hand experience. The main difference between "Western" countries and China is that you can find different sources of information ranging from ultra left to ultra right. Censorship is a very marginal problem contrarily to China ( and you will find people protesting or even demonstrating against censorship ). The "information" or "facts" of the situation are the same everywhere and from CCTV, unless western media have their individual sources who are undercover and reporting from Xin Jiang illegally. If the "information" and the "facts" are the same why censorship is needed ? Show nested quote +On July 10 2009 01:55 zulu_nation8 wrote:
Boblion why do you complain about your rights to open debate if you don't know anything about the situation. Ah ? And how do you know that i don't know anything ? You are making assumptions like Kissblade.
You've proven in your post that you don't know anything . So far combing through your posts, you've demonstrated zero knowledge on the topic. In fact, you haven't even posted any relevant information.
@zulu_nation8, I think you're being a little extreme on the matter too =P
@MK, I agree and it shows on both sides IMO. Unfortunately, for every one who are eager to bash the Chinese government, there's another Chinese who doesn't bother looking into things and assumes they have an inherent knowledge due to their ethnicity or locatioon.
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On July 10 2009 02:01 Boblion wrote:Show nested quote +On July 10 2009 01:43 zulu_nation8 wrote:On July 10 2009 01:15 Boblion wrote:On July 10 2009 01:00 reincremate wrote:On July 10 2009 00:46 Alizee- wrote:On July 09 2009 23:57 Velr wrote:
From an outside view looking in this tread i get this image of china:
It's ok to slaughter down riots and non chinese people are not able tell if this is bad (or not) because it all has something to do with Chinese culture...
It's obviously also ok that the goverment lies to it's people because it has something to do with Chinese culture...
Alltogether i come to the conclusion:
Chinese culture is a sad excuse for goverment crimes and various other stuff that happens in China. ***BEST*** post in this thread by MILES. gg. No one said it was okay to "slaughter down riots" or what have you. Also, no one was using "Chinese culture" as a justification for government oppression or censorship. Posters in China were just pointing out that you can't fully trust both foreign and Chinese media because they are biased, and that if your only source of knowledge on the subject is the western media, then your opinions aren't as valid as people who have lived in China and who also have access to the same foreign news sources as well as first-hand experience. The main difference between "Western" countries and China is that you can find different sources of information ranging from ultra left to ultra right. Censorship is a very marginal problem contrarily to China ( and you will find people protesting or even demonstrating against censorship ). The "information" or "facts" of the situation are the same everywhere and from CCTV, unless western media have their individual sources who are undercover and reporting from Xin Jiang illegally. If the "information" and the "facts" are the same why censorship is needed ? Show nested quote +On July 10 2009 01:55 zulu_nation8 wrote:
Boblion why do you complain about your rights to open debate if you don't know anything about the situation. Ah ? And how do you know that i don't know anything ? You are making assumptions like Kissblade.
The Chinese media censors stuff for a variety of reasons. But it's true that even during the Tibetan riots of last year you could still obtain information from most of the western news sites except for a few like CNN and BBC which China blocked to prove a point to them instead of trying to hide information. I know you don't anything because everything you've said in this thread hints that you don't know what you're talking about.
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yeah.
It's like talking Religion or Ghost or whatever :/ When you say something bad, they raise the card "you don't know" 
ahah :
I know you don't anything because everything you've said in this thread hints that you don't know what you're talking about.
replace the subject by God, Ghost or Aliens, you will read the same answers from believers (you don't know !!! you just DON'T KNOW !)
ok, stop trolling and btw, hope things in China will turn better when I wake up.
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On July 10 2009 02:04 MK wrote:Show nested quote +On July 10 2009 01:30 zulu_nation8 wrote:On July 10 2009 01:17 MK wrote:i think people saying things like that are what drive omnimo and the rest crazy. it's a fucking ridiculous statement. sure you can read the news but merely reading a limited stream of information doesn't make you understand the situation better than someone living in the area. If you are outside and in a freespeech country, you can have both inside and outside information, you can freespeech so you can debate and construct your vision and reflexion from other people's opinions. Plus, you are outside, you are more likely to think with the head and not think with the heart. It's easier to be abstractive when it's not your country. I'm ok if you tell me : you can't feel what it is if you are not inside but don't tell me you can't understand. You can't understand because you are not aware of the historical and cultural context these types of conflicts are embedded in. In terms of information you don't have "inside" information unless you speak Chinese. Oh, damn, I actually speak Chinese. I can read it too. Wow ! And I'm not in china ! How comes ? Well, you know, there is a thing called School and also a thing called education. Com'on, stop being so stubborn. If what you say is true, many major Historians, Economists and other Scientists are just useless and write crap. So hope you are wrong. And yeah, definitely, I agree with KissBlade. The point is how deep are people willing to search even when they can have all the information.
Ok you can speak Chinese, tell me how the western media gives the public more information about the riots than the Chinese media. How do you make that leap with the historians and what not? This is politics, it's not an objective science.
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On July 10 2009 02:04 KissBlade wrote:Show nested quote +On July 10 2009 02:01 Boblion wrote:On July 10 2009 01:43 zulu_nation8 wrote:On July 10 2009 01:15 Boblion wrote:On July 10 2009 01:00 reincremate wrote:On July 10 2009 00:46 Alizee- wrote:On July 09 2009 23:57 Velr wrote:
From an outside view looking in this tread i get this image of china:
It's ok to slaughter down riots and non chinese people are not able tell if this is bad (or not) because it all has something to do with Chinese culture...
It's obviously also ok that the goverment lies to it's people because it has something to do with Chinese culture...
Alltogether i come to the conclusion:
Chinese culture is a sad excuse for goverment crimes and various other stuff that happens in China. ***BEST*** post in this thread by MILES. gg. No one said it was okay to "slaughter down riots" or what have you. Also, no one was using "Chinese culture" as a justification for government oppression or censorship. Posters in China were just pointing out that you can't fully trust both foreign and Chinese media because they are biased, and that if your only source of knowledge on the subject is the western media, then your opinions aren't as valid as people who have lived in China and who also have access to the same foreign news sources as well as first-hand experience. The main difference between "Western" countries and China is that you can find different sources of information ranging from ultra left to ultra right. Censorship is a very marginal problem contrarily to China ( and you will find people protesting or even demonstrating against censorship ). The "information" or "facts" of the situation are the same everywhere and from CCTV, unless western media have their individual sources who are undercover and reporting from Xin Jiang illegally. If the "information" and the "facts" are the same why censorship is needed ? On July 10 2009 01:55 zulu_nation8 wrote:
Boblion why do you complain about your rights to open debate if you don't know anything about the situation. Ah ? And how do you know that i don't know anything ? You are making assumptions like Kissblade. You've proven in your post that you don't know anything . So far combing through your post, you've demonstrated zero knowledge on the topic. In fact, you haven't even posted any relevant information. @zulu_nation8, I think you're being a little extreme on the matter too =P.
Well i was just trying to explain why it is pointless to discuss about China with people like you. I wasn't talking about this ethnic riot because you would repeat the exact same words ("you are not Chinese so you don't know" ) if i cared enough to explain my opinion on this issue ( i doubt anyone care anyway ).
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Kissblade lol? I do have more knowledge because of my cultural, educational, and personal background.
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On July 10 2009 02:16 Boblion wrote:Show nested quote +On July 10 2009 02:04 KissBlade wrote:On July 10 2009 02:01 Boblion wrote:On July 10 2009 01:43 zulu_nation8 wrote:On July 10 2009 01:15 Boblion wrote:On July 10 2009 01:00 reincremate wrote:On July 10 2009 00:46 Alizee- wrote:On July 09 2009 23:57 Velr wrote:
From an outside view looking in this tread i get this image of china:
It's ok to slaughter down riots and non chinese people are not able tell if this is bad (or not) because it all has something to do with Chinese culture...
It's obviously also ok that the goverment lies to it's people because it has something to do with Chinese culture...
Alltogether i come to the conclusion:
Chinese culture is a sad excuse for goverment crimes and various other stuff that happens in China. ***BEST*** post in this thread by MILES. gg. No one said it was okay to "slaughter down riots" or what have you. Also, no one was using "Chinese culture" as a justification for government oppression or censorship. Posters in China were just pointing out that you can't fully trust both foreign and Chinese media because they are biased, and that if your only source of knowledge on the subject is the western media, then your opinions aren't as valid as people who have lived in China and who also have access to the same foreign news sources as well as first-hand experience. The main difference between "Western" countries and China is that you can find different sources of information ranging from ultra left to ultra right. Censorship is a very marginal problem contrarily to China ( and you will find people protesting or even demonstrating against censorship ). The "information" or "facts" of the situation are the same everywhere and from CCTV, unless western media have their individual sources who are undercover and reporting from Xin Jiang illegally. If the "information" and the "facts" are the same why censorship is needed ? On July 10 2009 01:55 zulu_nation8 wrote:
Boblion why do you complain about your rights to open debate if you don't know anything about the situation. Ah ? And how do you know that i don't know anything ? You are making assumptions like Kissblade. You've proven in your post that you don't know anything . So far combing through your post, you've demonstrated zero knowledge on the topic. In fact, you haven't even posted any relevant information. @zulu_nation8, I think you're being a little extreme on the matter too =P. Well i was just trying to explain why it is pointless to discuss about China with people like you. I wasn't talking about this ethnic riot, because you would repeat the exact same words ("you are not Chinese so you don't know" ) if i cared enough to explain my opinion on this issue.
It's pointless because you have no knowledge of the subject at hand, hence all your opinions are ungrounded because you refuse to learn more before making opinions. Is that unfair to say? Can you stop complaining now.
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On July 10 2009 02:14 zulu_nation8 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 10 2009 02:04 MK wrote:On July 10 2009 01:30 zulu_nation8 wrote:On July 10 2009 01:17 MK wrote:i think people saying things like that are what drive omnimo and the rest crazy. it's a fucking ridiculous statement. sure you can read the news but merely reading a limited stream of information doesn't make you understand the situation better than someone living in the area. If you are outside and in a freespeech country, you can have both inside and outside information, you can freespeech so you can debate and construct your vision and reflexion from other people's opinions. Plus, you are outside, you are more likely to think with the head and not think with the heart. It's easier to be abstractive when it's not your country. I'm ok if you tell me : you can't feel what it is if you are not inside but don't tell me you can't understand. You can't understand because you are not aware of the historical and cultural context these types of conflicts are embedded in. In terms of information you don't have "inside" information unless you speak Chinese. Oh, damn, I actually speak Chinese. I can read it too. Wow ! And I'm not in china ! How comes ? Well, you know, there is a thing called School and also a thing called education. Com'on, stop being so stubborn. If what you say is true, many major Historians, Economists and other Scientists are just useless and write crap. So hope you are wrong. And yeah, definitely, I agree with KissBlade. The point is how deep are people willing to search even when they can have all the information. Ok you can speak Chinese, tell me how the western media gives the public more information about the riots than the Chinese media. How do you make that leap with the historians and what not? This is politics, it's not an objective science.
LOL "objective science". Sorry but I do pure Math and you really don't want to debate about "objectivity" and surely not "objective science" with me.
And from what I've read, we have two clans :
In China, it's a matter of ethnics, in the West, it's about government.
What I can read from Cn papers/blog/forum is : people tell Han are being killed or Uighurs are violent blablablabla
In the West, it's more like : the government tries to calm things down but can't. It's chao and people are fighting and dying.
See ? Different scopes.
And Bonus (not so) unrelated-question : Why they cut Facebook, Twitter, Blogger etc. ?
PS : well, maybe because when you talk about a "fact", answers can be very different from a side to another. And when you start gathering opinion, you start thinking. This is reflexion.
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On July 10 2009 02:11 zulu_nation8 wrote:
The Chinese media censors stuff for a variety of reasons. But it's true that even during the Tibetan riots of last year you could still obtain information from most of the western news sites except for a few like CNN and BBC which China blocked to prove a point to them instead of trying to hide information.
If they allowed you to obtain information from "the western news sites" what they were trying to prove by blocking CNN or BBC ?
Don't you think they were just not able to block any kind of sites with information about the Tibetan riots so they just tried to block the most important ?
Maybe i'm just too naive 
I know you don't anything because everything you've said in this thread hints that you don't know what you're talking about.
Please feel free to quote those "hints" as i said in my previous post i wasn't even discussing about the riots.
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MK
You compared politics to "economists" and "scientists" in whatever way I don't even know. I tell you politics isn't an objective science like economy or the physical sciences so whatever comparison you just made is questionable. You answer with
LOL I DO PURE MATH. Good for you. I'm really happy you study pure math.
The example you gave are reporting two different events, that of the initial riot and the police intervention which followed. At most the example shows the western media gives less facts than the CCTV. No matter how accurate those facts are concerning exactly who was getting killed.
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On July 10 2009 02:25 Boblion wrote:Show nested quote +On July 10 2009 02:11 zulu_nation8 wrote:
The Chinese media censors stuff for a variety of reasons. But it's true that even during the Tibetan riots of last year you could still obtain information from most of the western news sites except for a few like CNN and BBC which China blocked to prove a point to them instead of trying to hide information.
If they allowed you to obtain information from "the western news sites" what they were trying to prove by blocking CNN or BBC ? Don't you think they were just not able to block any kind of sites with information about the Tibetan riots so they just tried to block the most important ? Maybe i'm just too naive Show nested quote +
I know you don't anything because everything you've said in this thread hints that you don't know what you're talking about.
Please feel free to quote those "hints" as i said in my previous post i wasn't even discussing about the riots.
So if you're not going to discuss anything relevant in the topic why even bother posting here? Just trolling?
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On July 10 2009 02:19 zulu_nation8 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 10 2009 02:16 Boblion wrote:On July 10 2009 02:04 KissBlade wrote:On July 10 2009 02:01 Boblion wrote:On July 10 2009 01:43 zulu_nation8 wrote:On July 10 2009 01:15 Boblion wrote:On July 10 2009 01:00 reincremate wrote:On July 10 2009 00:46 Alizee- wrote:On July 09 2009 23:57 Velr wrote:
From an outside view looking in this tread i get this image of china:
It's ok to slaughter down riots and non chinese people are not able tell if this is bad (or not) because it all has something to do with Chinese culture...
It's obviously also ok that the goverment lies to it's people because it has something to do with Chinese culture...
Alltogether i come to the conclusion:
Chinese culture is a sad excuse for goverment crimes and various other stuff that happens in China. ***BEST*** post in this thread by MILES. gg. No one said it was okay to "slaughter down riots" or what have you. Also, no one was using "Chinese culture" as a justification for government oppression or censorship. Posters in China were just pointing out that you can't fully trust both foreign and Chinese media because they are biased, and that if your only source of knowledge on the subject is the western media, then your opinions aren't as valid as people who have lived in China and who also have access to the same foreign news sources as well as first-hand experience. The main difference between "Western" countries and China is that you can find different sources of information ranging from ultra left to ultra right. Censorship is a very marginal problem contrarily to China ( and you will find people protesting or even demonstrating against censorship ). The "information" or "facts" of the situation are the same everywhere and from CCTV, unless western media have their individual sources who are undercover and reporting from Xin Jiang illegally. If the "information" and the "facts" are the same why censorship is needed ? On July 10 2009 01:55 zulu_nation8 wrote:
Boblion why do you complain about your rights to open debate if you don't know anything about the situation. Ah ? And how do you know that i don't know anything ? You are making assumptions like Kissblade. You've proven in your post that you don't know anything . So far combing through your post, you've demonstrated zero knowledge on the topic. In fact, you haven't even posted any relevant information. @zulu_nation8, I think you're being a little extreme on the matter too =P. Well i was just trying to explain why it is pointless to discuss about China with people like you. I wasn't talking about this ethnic riot, because you would repeat the exact same words ("you are not Chinese so you don't know" ) if i cared enough to explain my opinion on this issue. It's pointless because you have no knowledge of the subject at hand, hence all your opinions are ungrounded because you refuse to learn more before making opinions. Is that unfair to say? Can you stop complaining now.
I don't complain. I'm just trying to make a demonstration of why threads about China on TL are useless and will always end up in a flame war.
But have fun i'm leaving.
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On July 10 2009 02:21 MK wrote:
And Bonus (not so) unrelated-question : Why they cut Facebook, Twitter, Blogger etc. ?
Probably knee jerk response. Most people think it's retarded that they're doing that though.
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On July 10 2009 02:30 Boblion wrote:Show nested quote +On July 10 2009 02:19 zulu_nation8 wrote:On July 10 2009 02:16 Boblion wrote:On July 10 2009 02:04 KissBlade wrote:On July 10 2009 02:01 Boblion wrote:On July 10 2009 01:43 zulu_nation8 wrote:On July 10 2009 01:15 Boblion wrote:On July 10 2009 01:00 reincremate wrote:On July 10 2009 00:46 Alizee- wrote:On July 09 2009 23:57 Velr wrote:
From an outside view looking in this tread i get this image of china:
It's ok to slaughter down riots and non chinese people are not able tell if this is bad (or not) because it all has something to do with Chinese culture...
It's obviously also ok that the goverment lies to it's people because it has something to do with Chinese culture...
Alltogether i come to the conclusion:
Chinese culture is a sad excuse for goverment crimes and various other stuff that happens in China. ***BEST*** post in this thread by MILES. gg. No one said it was okay to "slaughter down riots" or what have you. Also, no one was using "Chinese culture" as a justification for government oppression or censorship. Posters in China were just pointing out that you can't fully trust both foreign and Chinese media because they are biased, and that if your only source of knowledge on the subject is the western media, then your opinions aren't as valid as people who have lived in China and who also have access to the same foreign news sources as well as first-hand experience. The main difference between "Western" countries and China is that you can find different sources of information ranging from ultra left to ultra right. Censorship is a very marginal problem contrarily to China ( and you will find people protesting or even demonstrating against censorship ). The "information" or "facts" of the situation are the same everywhere and from CCTV, unless western media have their individual sources who are undercover and reporting from Xin Jiang illegally. If the "information" and the "facts" are the same why censorship is needed ? On July 10 2009 01:55 zulu_nation8 wrote:
Boblion why do you complain about your rights to open debate if you don't know anything about the situation. Ah ? And how do you know that i don't know anything ? You are making assumptions like Kissblade. You've proven in your post that you don't know anything . So far combing through your post, you've demonstrated zero knowledge on the topic. In fact, you haven't even posted any relevant information. @zulu_nation8, I think you're being a little extreme on the matter too =P. Well i was just trying to explain why it is pointless to discuss about China with people like you. I wasn't talking about this ethnic riot, because you would repeat the exact same words ("you are not Chinese so you don't know" ) if i cared enough to explain my opinion on this issue. It's pointless because you have no knowledge of the subject at hand, hence all your opinions are ungrounded because you refuse to learn more before making opinions. Is that unfair to say? Can you stop complaining now. I don't complain. I'm just trying to make a demonstration of why threads about China on TL are useless and will always end up in a flame war. But have fun i'm leaving.
Except these threads are fine until people like you show up? This isn't some East versus West thing. Chinese and non Chinese ARE capable of having a civilized discussion regarding China. I'd hate to think that TL.net is some grotesque exception.
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Ok, I make it simple : for me, even economics or biology or statistics are not objective science. Not abstractive enough.
But please, don't wanna talk about it, I have enough noisy useless debate at school about that and it's out topic here.
Plus, Politics, in many Western countries, is considered as Science (Human Science... oh, Economics too is in this same category !).
And, when you say "At most the example shows the western media gives less facts than the CCTV.", you must be kidding me or just trolling or being extremely naive.
And yes, to anticipate your next move : please, show me some examples.
Good Night, I give you the whole night to find examples 
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On July 10 2009 02:25 Boblion wrote:Show nested quote +On July 10 2009 02:11 zulu_nation8 wrote:
The Chinese media censors stuff for a variety of reasons. But it's true that even during the Tibetan riots of last year you could still obtain information from most of the western news sites except for a few like CNN and BBC which China blocked to prove a point to them instead of trying to hide information.
If they allowed you to obtain information from "the western news sites" what they were trying to prove by blocking CNN or BBC ? Don't you think they were just not able to block any kind of sites with information about the Tibetan riots so they just tried to block the most important ? Maybe i'm just too naive Show nested quote +
I know you don't anything because everything you've said in this thread hints that you don't know what you're talking about.
Please feel free to quote those "hints" as i said in my previous post i wasn't even discussing about the riots.
They were trying to prove to CNN and BBC that they had power to cut off traffic from China because they disagreed or were insecure with the information those sites were repoting.
No... it's impossible to block out pretty much any information from western media on the internet. It's common sense. During the Tibetan riots I was looking at CNN and watching youtube everyday from proxies made by Chinese sites. The information is always there if you want it.
I don't know why you're trying to convince me you know a lot about China? You're asking questions which I'm happy to answer. These questions indicate you don't know too much about how the media works in China, which is logical since you're not Chinese. You should then realize whatever opinions you have based on what you know are probably not very educated. I'm not condescending towards you so please don't take it personal.
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On July 10 2009 02:37 zulu_nation8 wrote:
..., which is logical since you're not Chinese. You should then realize whatever opinions you have based on what you know are probably not very educated. I'm not condescending towards you so please don't take it personal.
I agree with you up until this point. As I've said before, this attitude HAS to stop simply because it makes you and many others look bad. There is no disqualification on validity about a topic simply because you aren't from that country. There are people who's actually researched and studied the topic before. Obviously people like Bobolion haven't but your blanket terminology is a bit uncalled for.
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On July 10 2009 02:35 MK wrote:Ok, I make it simple : for me, even economics or biology or statistics are not objective science. Not abstractive enough. But please, don't wanna talk about it, I have enough noisy useless debate at school about that and it's out topic here. Plus, Politics, in many Western countries, is considered as Science (Human Science... oh, Economics too is in this same category !). And, when you say "At most the example shows the western media gives less facts than the CCTV.", you must be kidding me or just trolling or being extremely naive. And yes, to anticipate your next move : please, show me some examples. Good Night, I give you the whole night to find examples
MK if you're talking about scientific paradigms then congrats you've read shit everyone else has read. Whatever point you were making at first I still have no idea what you were trying to say. I was trying to talk about how for certain political events such as this one, it's important to understand wider contexts which gives you access to different perspectives. You brought up some stuff about how would economists and biologists work. My answer was what the fuck are you talking about? Then you decide to show how smart you are by trying to tell me biology is not an "objective" science compared to politics.
I should've said just Chinese media in general. I agree CCTV doesn't talk about anything. I was thinking of SINA, etc, and other private media outlets.
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On July 10 2009 02:41 KissBlade wrote:Show nested quote +On July 10 2009 02:37 zulu_nation8 wrote:
..., which is logical since you're not Chinese. You should then realize whatever opinions you have based on what you know are probably not very educated. I'm not condescending towards you so please don't take it personal. I agree with you up until this point. As I've said before, this attitude HAS to stop simply because it makes you and many others look bad. There is no disqualification on validity about a topic simply because you aren't from that country. There are people who's actually researched and studied the topic before. Obviously people like Bobolion haven't but your blanket terminology is a bit uncalled for.
ok I should've said you don't know a lot about Chinese media because you never bothered to read about it. Which is really not hard.
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