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Carnivorous Sheep
Baa?21244 Posts
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Boblion
France8043 Posts
However i find this kind of affirmation in every thread about China and it is just annoying. Seriously this is the lamest thing you can find when you are arguing with people: "You don't live here, you can't understand". | ||
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zulu_nation8
China26351 Posts
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Xe(-_-)Ro
Canada69 Posts
On July 09 2009 22:18 zulu_nation8 wrote: He's right now though. But it doesn't mean foreigners can't talk about China from their perspectives. If you don't want our opinions that are "irrelevant" IE foreign why then are you bring it up on foreign boards... seems redudant to me. edit: spelling  | ||
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zulu_nation8
China26351 Posts
On July 09 2009 22:39 Xe(-_-)Ro wrote: If you don't want our opinions that are "irrelevant" IE foreign why then are you bring it up on foreign boards... seems redudant to me. You can give your opinions but omnimo's point is if you don't have first hand experience with Chinese culture there will exist a lot of misunderstandings between China and an outsider. | ||
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MK
United States496 Posts
damn, this is crazy | ||
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StorrZerg
United States13919 Posts
damn.... | ||
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KissBlade
United States5718 Posts
On July 09 2009 22:15 Boblion wrote: Oh well i will be honest and edit. In this particular thread it was just omnimo. However i find this kind of affirmation in every thread about China and it is just annoying. Seriously this is the lamest thing you can find when you are arguing with people: "You don't live here, you can't understand". On the other hand, can you honestly declare you do understand the situation? Very often, I find you post the same drivel in any China thread and it always seems to be talking about government control regardless of the topic. Similarly, I doubt you can name many Chinese political leaders nor describe how the current political system works without looking up wikipedia. | ||
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ghrur
United States3786 Posts
I hope my relatives are fine... Apparently we couldn't call there for some reason, telephone line issues? | ||
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Boblion
France8043 Posts
On July 09 2009 22:55 KissBlade wrote: On the other hand, can you honestly declare you do understand the situation? Very often, I find you post the same drivel in any China thread and it always seems to be talking about government control regardless of the topic. Similarly, I doubt you can name many Chinese political leaders nor describe how the current political system works without looking up wikipedia. Thanks for proving my point. | ||
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MK
United States496 Posts
I still can't understand the point here. Uighurs are actually fighting against what ? Government or Han ? Or both ? And what is the request ? Independence ? Because if Independence, they should kill Government people, not random Han people (actually, they should kill no one) | ||
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ghrur
United States3786 Posts
On one hand, sure, we shouldn't say, "If you don't live here, you don't really understand," but on the other hand, if you were to understand, you do need to shed your ideals for a bit and look at it from another point of view, which people hardly ever do and thus cause mis-understandings. | ||
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MK
United States496 Posts
On July 09 2009 23:11 ghrur wrote: Well, both points have merit. On one hand, sure, we shouldn't say, "If you don't live here, you don't really understand," but on the other hand, if you were to understand, you do need to shed your ideals for a bit and look at it from another point of view, which people hardly ever do and thus cause mis-understandings. Tbh, imo, people from the outside understand much more than the ones inside Especially when the freespech is pretty unfree... | ||
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ghrur
United States3786 Posts
They understand they're living in a very unstable region, at least I did. They also understand that the gov't isn't exactly truthful, lol or that their next president isn't chosen by them. | ||
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MK
United States496 Posts
On July 09 2009 23:25 ghrur wrote: Not really, the people inside understand more than you think. They understand they're living in a very unstable region, at least I did. They also understand that the gov't isn't exactly truthful, lol or that their next president isn't chosen by them. I ain't saying they don't understand. I'm saying people from the outside understand better, or indeed, could understand better. Actually, from the inside, I ain't even sure it's "understand" but maybe more like "aware". Difficult to think without freedom so hard to understand but, ANW, back to the topic : what is the point of the fight ? For independence ? If that, why kill random Han ? | ||
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Over9k
United States48 Posts
On July 09 2009 23:17 MK wrote: Tbh, imo, people from the outside understand much more than the ones inside Especially when the freespech is pretty unfree... That's not quite true, I came to the US when I was 5 and I'm just back there this summer for an internship. Really people know the government lies to them, so they look at foreign sources too or keep skepticism. It's not like they just follow the ideals the government ingrains in them. Really ppl are about the same opinion-wise...the government only censors free-speech after it's posted but it can't quite control the ideology of Chinese ppl. From the ppl I've talked to none of them are extremely loyal to the government. They see it more like a necessary evil and use it to their benefit in some cases. | ||
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Alizee-
United States845 Posts
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Velr
Switzerland10870 Posts
It's ok to slaughter down riots and non chinese people are not able tell if this is bad (or not) because it all has something to do with Chinese culture... It's obviously also ok that the goverment lies to it's people because it has something to do with Chinese culture... Alltogether i come to the conclusion: Chinese culture is a sad excuse for goverment crimes and various other stuff that happens in China. | ||
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KissBlade
United States5718 Posts
Your point is that you never have any understanding of the topic and decide to post anyway? | ||
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Flaccid
8887 Posts
but, ANW, back to the topic : what is the point of the fight ? For independence ? If that, why kill random Han ? Uighurs have been complaining of unfair government treatment for ages. Now with the deaths of a few of their own over false accusations at a factory, they have some attention and want to grab at it. The presense of foreign press may have made it worthwhile for the group of women who protested against the detainment of their relatives following the factory brawl to step out - which ultimately sparked the riots. The point, as far as I can tell, is to draw national attention to their cause. | ||
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