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silynxer
Germany439 Posts
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BisuBoi
United States350 Posts
On July 15 2009 02:55 Krikkitone wrote: Not saying that it is OK, saying that is is expected due to the situation. Violent slave revolts aren't OK, but they should be expected, especially by poorly treated slaves. If groups that conducted terrorism against the US were actually made up of US citizens, then they Would be given(already have) political power. (because their members could vote) This would give them less of a reason to conduct terrorism. If you are implying the solution for middle eastern based terrorism is to annex the entire middle east and add another 10-20 states and a few hundred million new citizens. Well that might work if the US were less centralized than it is now. As it is, they would feel like they had lost even more political autonomy. As for whether or not their current actions are the solution.... well they are disorganized, but violent reistance of governments has been effective in the past (as has nonviolent resistance). Whether or not the action is effective isn't a justification, but it is an explanation. I am not saying their actions are moral, but they might be the only (even if minimally) effective action. On the other hand, if China's government offered moral, legal, effective methods to get their needs addressed, then this would probably be less likely to happen. The other, second and even Bigger issue is that the remainder of the non-Uighur Chinese citizens cannot determine if this is the proper response because they don't have access to the information needed. Of course Most of those people also can't affect the government that much, so it doesn't matter. However, the method that the Chinese government is actually using to respond may or may not be the best, but because the information is limited that cannot be assessed. Even members of the Chinese government itself may withold information from other members, because they have the means to control the information, and that gives them power/ability to hide poor judgement. You're basing your argument on a logical fallacy, one perpetrated by Western media. AKA political freedom = happiness. Except no country in the world has true political freedom. All national governments play a rigged game. To further explain why your argument makes no sense, I'll use your example of terrorists. YOu're saying if they had the political power to effect change, they wouldn't resort to violence and that violence is their means of last resort. I beg to differ. There has only been one terrorist act committed on US soil by a non-citizen. This was 9/11. There have been MANY acts of terrorism committed within the United States. The Unibomber was a terrorist. Columbine was committed by terrorists. There are ecoterrorists hanging out in the redwood forests every day, shooting at lumberjacks. The chemical attack in the Tokyo subway was committed by Japanese nationals, not foreigners. Your logic is flawed. Also, in what way do you think this will improve the situation for Uighurs? Do you honestly think this riot is going to give them a better life? You have an odd way of forecasting the future if you think good things are in store for the Uighurs when they resort to mob violence. Every government in the world withholds information from its citizens. Only now, years after the Bush administration's manipulation of the US population, is word getting out that the CIA and the executive branch of government outright lied to the legislative body. This is not a small deal. There was a severe amount of corruption and falsehood at the highest levels of government. Don't sit here and talk about political freedom and repression of information as the primary factors for rebellion. They're not. The reasons are economic, much like all wars are. It's just US propaganda, which tries to lie to people in the hopes of effecting regime change in countries that don't bend over backwards for them. | ||
Carnivorous Sheep
Baa?21244 Posts
On July 15 2009 02:55 Krikkitone wrote: The other, second and even Bigger issue is that the remainder of the non-Uighur Chinese citizens cannot determine if this is the proper response because they don't have access to the information needed. Of course Most of those people also can't affect the government that much, so it doesn't matter. However, the method that the Chinese government is actually using to respond may or may not be the best, but because the information is limited that cannot be assessed. Even members of the Chinese government itself may withold information from other members, because they have the means to control the information, and that gives them power/ability to hide poor judgement. Being in China right now, I can tell you that this is just false. With the advent of the internet, to control and limit information anywhere, by anyone, is simply impossible. | ||
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KissBlade
United States5718 Posts
That's not the case at all. A more applicable analogy I suppose would be like saying all the Asian Americans in the US should riot because of the fact that there are more or less zero political representation in the US for Asian Americans. | ||
Manifesto7
Osaka27172 Posts
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KissBlade
United States5718 Posts
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